Coronavirus - UK
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in [Coronavirus - UK](/post/540438
I believe the first wave took out the old, most of whom were in pretty good shape BMI wise.
The second and third waves are affecting the younger demographic who are significantly more overweight and obese.
Just how my daughter, Dr. Pakman, reacted.
Unfortunately when a medical professional or politician points out the obvious and factual they get banded as an insensitive fatist by MSM.
In the legal setting a jury is optimally comprised of a group of your peers.
It’s frightening to see footage of hospitals where the medical practitioners look exactly like the people on the gurney / in the beds BMI wise
Great point!
When we came here in 2016 to do school tours I was really keen to go to state. None of this privileged crap for my kids. We went to 4 state and 3 private.
95% of teachers at state were fat. Really fat.
0% of teachers at private were fat.
There is something horribly wrong with state paid role models.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
Finally
I'm sure there was some good stuff in that vid but I just got stuck watching Sharron Davies. She's still got it.
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Re the obesity stats for the UK, looking at mean BMI we come in at 40th in the world (according to Wiki). Comparitively NZ is 28th, Aus 44th and Italy is 92nd. The difference in mean BMI between NZ and Italy though is only 1.9. In itself that is quite a bit but what it does also mean is that there are a lot of countries with very similar problems.
Of course mean BMI is not quite the same as % of population that is obese as averages can be distorted by outliers, though less so when looking at nationwide stats.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_body_mass_index
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow Britain also has one of the worst obesity rates in the world, with 26.2 per of the population classified as obese, according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), compared with 9.8 per cent of people in Italy and 17 per cent in France. Only Finland and Turkey have higher obesity rates than Britain in Europe.
Some 47.8 per cent of critically ill Covid patients admitted since September 1 had a BMI above 30, making them medically obese, while 11.4 per cent had a BMI above 40, which is morbidly obese. That is higher than during the first wave, when 39.4 patients admitted up to August 31 had a BMI above 30, and just eight per cent had a BMI above 40.
I'm intrigued as to how they get their figures?
My source was today’s ToryGraph.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Bones said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow Britain also has one of the worst obesity rates in the world, with 26.2 per of the population classified as obese, according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), compared with 9.8 per cent of people in Italy and 17 per cent in France. Only Finland and Turkey have higher obesity rates than Britain in Europe.
Some 47.8 per cent of critically ill Covid patients admitted since September 1 had a BMI above 30, making them medically obese, while 11.4 per cent had a BMI above 40, which is morbidly obese. That is higher than during the first wave, when 39.4 patients admitted up to August 31 had a BMI above 30, and just eight per cent had a BMI above 40.
I'm intrigued as to how they get their figures?
My source was today’s ToryGraph.
No I mean what are they basing the average on? BMI of people who've visited a doctor / medical facility? People who took a survey?
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Bones said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow Britain also has one of the worst obesity rates in the world, with 26.2 per of the population classified as obese, according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), compared with 9.8 per cent of people in Italy and 17 per cent in France. Only Finland and Turkey have higher obesity rates than Britain in Europe.
Some 47.8 per cent of critically ill Covid patients admitted since September 1 had a BMI above 30, making them medically obese, while 11.4 per cent had a BMI above 40, which is morbidly obese. That is higher than during the first wave, when 39.4 patients admitted up to August 31 had a BMI above 30, and just eight per cent had a BMI above 40.
I'm intrigued as to how they get their figures?
My source was today’s ToryGraph.
No I mean what are they basing the average on? BMI of people who've visited a doctor / medical facility? People who took a survey?
Pictures of fat fluffybunnies in the media.
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@TeWaio said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow no, what makes you ask that?
I was being sarcastic
MSM can and always do find an outlier to confirm their opinion.
Could easily have posted a picture of a cigarette smoking, alcohol drinking, pie eating, 85 year old,20 stone tub of lard to show BMI is not perfect and exact.
But as a general yardstick for a population it’s pretty spot on.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@TeWaio said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow no, what makes you ask that?
I was being sarcastic
MSM can and always do find an outlier to confirm their opinion.
Could easily have posted a picture of a cigarette smoking, alcohol drinking, pie eating, 85 year old,20 stone tub of lard to show BMI is not perfect and exact.
But as a general yardstick for a population it’s pretty spot on.
I had this discussion with my GP about BMI being something of a blunt instrument approach and cited Matthew Pinsent the Olympic oarsman as being clinically obese according to BMI and his answer was basically that you can always find individuals that defy the metric and that BMI as an individual metric should be considered individually but as a broad measurement for the populace it is a very good indicator.
That's fine by me, I count myself as an outlier. Pass me the Big Mac and fries please. Oh and a black coffee, no sugar.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@TeWaio said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow no, what makes you ask that?
I was being sarcastic
MSM can and always do find an outlier to confirm their opinion.
Could easily have posted a picture of a cigarette smoking, alcohol drinking, pie eating, 85 year old,20 stone tub of lard to show BMI is not perfect and exact.
But as a general yardstick for a population it’s pretty spot on.
I had this discussion with my GP about BMI being something of a blunt instrument approach and cited Matthew Pinsent the Olympic oarsman as being clinically obese according to BMI and his answer was basically that you can always find individuals that defy the metric and that BMI as an individual metric should be considered individually but as a broad measurement for the populace it is a very good indicator.
That's fine by me, I count myself as an outlier. Pass me the Big Mac and fries please. Oh and a black coffee, no sugar.
Pretty much what my GP said.
Told me to not to think about BMI but think about exercise instead. Even just 5 minutes of exercise like press-ups or lunges to a point where you just can't do anymore makes a huge difference apparently.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@TeWaio said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow no, what makes you ask that?
I was being sarcastic
MSM can and always do find an outlier to confirm their opinion.
Could easily have posted a picture of a cigarette smoking, alcohol drinking, pie eating, 85 year old,20 stone tub of lard to show BMI is not perfect and exact.
But as a general yardstick for a population it’s pretty spot on.
I had this discussion with my GP about BMI being something of a blunt instrument approach and cited Matthew Pinsent the Olympic oarsman as being clinically obese according to BMI and his answer was basically that you can always find individuals that defy the metric and that BMI as an individual metric should be considered individually but as a broad measurement for the populace it is a very good indicator.
That's fine by me, I count myself as an outlier. Pass me the Big Mac and fries please. Oh and a black coffee, no sugar.
Pretty much what my GP said.
Told me to not to think about BMI but think about exercise instead. Even just 5 minutes of exercise like press-ups or lunges to a point where you just can't do anymore makes a huge difference apparently.
Diet far more significant than exercise.
Both better
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Could have gone in memes but it's policy related
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in [Coronavirus - UK](/post/540438
I believe the first wave took out the old, most of whom were in pretty good shape BMI wise.
The second and third waves are affecting the younger demographic who are significantly more overweight and obese.
Just how my daughter, Dr. Pakman, reacted.
Unfortunately when a medical professional or politician points out the obvious and factual they get banded as an insensitive fatist by MSM.
In the legal setting a jury is optimally comprised of a group of your peers.
It’s frightening to see footage of hospitals where the medical practitioners look exactly like the people on the gurney / in the beds BMI wise
Great point!
When we came here in 2016 to do school tours I was really keen to go to state. None of this privileged crap for my kids. We went to 4 state and 3 private.
95% of teachers at state were fat. Really fat.
0% of teachers at private were fat.
There is something horribly wrong with state paid role models.
Which one did you finally go with, Feltonfleet?
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Bones said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow Britain also has one of the worst obesity rates in the world, with 26.2 per of the population classified as obese, according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), compared with 9.8 per cent of people in Italy and 17 per cent in France. Only Finland and Turkey have higher obesity rates than Britain in Europe.
Some 47.8 per cent of critically ill Covid patients admitted since September 1 had a BMI above 30, making them medically obese, while 11.4 per cent had a BMI above 40, which is morbidly obese. That is higher than during the first wave, when 39.4 patients admitted up to August 31 had a BMI above 30, and just eight per cent had a BMI above 40.
I'm intrigued as to how they get their figures?
My source was today’s ToryGraph.
No I mean what are they basing the average on? BMI of people who've visited a doctor / medical facility? People who took a survey?
The UK has the lowest healthy life expectancy in western Europe, and widespread obesity is "fuelling" Covid-19 deaths, according to a new study published in The Lancet.
British people can expect just 68.9 healthy years of life, according to the latest findings in the Global Burden of Disease study, which analyses illness and risk factors in 204 countries and territories around the world.
Healthy life expectancy has risen more slowly in Britain than elsewhere in western Europe, the study showed, in part due to failures to tackle chronic public health problems, such as obesity, over the last three decades. Many of these problems are also risk factors for serious illness and death from Covid-19.
That is also the case globally, researchers said, leading to a "perfect storm" for the pandemic.
Professor John Newton, director of health improvement at Public Health England (PHE) and a member of the Global Burden of Disease Scientific Council, told The Telegraph there was "no doubt" obesity had contributed to the UK's high Covid-19 death toll, but there were other factors too.
"It remains unclear why there were differences between countries in mortality rates but obesity is certainly one factor," he added.
A PHE review earlier this year found that obese people are significantly more likely to be admitted to intensive care than those with a healthy Body Mass Index (BMI). One study found that for people with a BMI of 35-40, classed as severely obese, the risk of death increased by 40 per cent compared to those at a healthy weight. For those with a BMI of over 50, classed as morbidly obese, it rose by 90 per cent.
Health experts had hoped that these numbers - along with Prime Minister Boris Johnson's own brush with Covid-19, which made him seriously ill and spurred him to lose weight - would push the government into action. But despite Mr Johnson's announcement of a "war against fat" in July, little concrete action seems to have taken place.
Tam Fry, chairman of the National Obesity Forum, said successive administrations had been failing to take action since 1992, when the government first said tackling obesity would be a priority.
"It took five years even to find a minister to take on the job and with no subsequent public health minister taking obesity seriously, it is scant wonder that the UK is in the woeful position described by The Lancet," he said, adding that all they had seen since the "war on fat" was announced was a consultation on labelling.
"By itself, that's not going to get anybody any slimmer," he added.
Almost two-thirds of adults in England, 63 per cent, are overweight or obese. People aged 55-74, living in deprived areas and from certain minority ethnic groups are all more severely affected.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@TeWaio said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow no, what makes you ask that?
I was being sarcastic
MSM can and always do find an outlier to confirm their opinion.
Could easily have posted a picture of a cigarette smoking, alcohol drinking, pie eating, 85 year old,20 stone tub of lard to show BMI is not perfect and exact.
But as a general yardstick for a population it’s pretty spot on.
No need to be snarky, I literally said in my post:
"I know BMI works reasonably well for the population at large"
..hardly worthy of being compared to MSM. I was mostly looking for any excuse to post a picture of my man crush Eddie.
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@TeWaio said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@TeWaio said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow no, what makes you ask that?
I was being sarcastic
MSM can and always do find an outlier to confirm their opinion.
Could easily have posted a picture of a cigarette smoking, alcohol drinking, pie eating, 85 year old,20 stone tub of lard to show BMI is not perfect and exact.
But as a general yardstick for a population it’s pretty spot on.
No need to be snarky, I literally said in my post:
"I know BMI works reasonably well for the population at large"
..hardly worthy of being compared to MSM. I was mostly looking for any excuse to post a picture of my man crush Eddie.
My mate’s met Eddie.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
Could have gone in memes but it's policy related
This is what happens if you listen too much to the far right and far left.