Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@no-quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@no-quarter some good points made there, however this latest person went for their test then went to the gym and a bunch of other stops (despite being told to isolate until the test was complete) from what I heard. Frustrating
That specific example is a little annoying but I'm not ready to hang a kid out to dry when the real failing is that of the government.
having symptoms, getting tested and then going to the gym is not cool at all in a Covid risk time. If you're 21, you should know better; blaming the government isn't great - they are in no way the main problem here
No, 21 year olds do stupid shit all the time. They are often driven by emotion over reason, because their brains haven't actually finished developing. I cringe when I think about how I acted when I was 21. If all of our hopes rest on the shoulders of a 21 year old doing the right thing when the country is at level 1 then we may as well not even bother.
The decision to drop to level 1 when we 1) didn't know the source and 2) hadn't allowed for the 10 - 14 day incubation period to determine if there was a wider outbreak was wrong and the government just has to wear that on the chin. The way they have blamed people for not "following the rules" is just stirring shit among the public to get them off the hook for their own mistake.
Again I'm not prepared to hang a 21 year old out to dry for making a bad decision. The overall message from the government was that this was not serious, otherwise they would not have dropped the alert levels.
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The government has a lot the answer for. David Seymour was on TV this morning and made a number of good points
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Since covid19 started they have not installed a proper digital tracing system that does not rely on individual compliance. This was recommended in a report that the government apparently released around Christmas so it slipped through unnoticed
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The vaccination programme is a mess. They don't have any clear plan. A relative who is a tier 1a worker was contacted last night and told they could go get their first shot straight away. They went down immediately and it turns out the station had a tonne of Pfizer vaccine which needed to be used but didn't have anyone to administer it to. There was no queue, very little activity on site
We are bumbling our way through this thing
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@no-quarter govt def need to take plenty of blame, but where does self responsibility stop?
This person is in the workforce, so should be well aware of the risks posed, dumb arsed complacency by so many.
Despite me insisting, neither of my kids scan, but then I guess I know exactly where they are supposed to be 99% of the time.
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@taniwharugby I think both things can be true. The government has pushed the message to scan, to stay home when sick and get tested. But as evidenced by the last two incidents some people don't obey the rules. The government don't appear to have appreciated the fact that some people will not comply and have not moved to install a system that does not rely on individual compliance.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan one if the cases last week from the school, MOH didn't visit the home after numerous calls went unanswered to get tested.
Def some gaps in the system, our luck running out.
I'm sure it would be cheaper to send staff out to check on people of interest than a week in lockdown.....
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I'm honestly sick to the gills of the 'be kind' message, which seems to be getting conflated with 'things aren't that bad, it's ok if you don't do xyz'
At this point, I'm totally cool with some punitive steps for those who flout the rules. I'm also cool with the govt getting asked tough questions relentlessly, cos some of these things are fucking annoying to still be happening a year in.
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@mokey said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I'm honestly sick to the gills of the 'be kind' message, which seems to be getting conflated with 'things aren't that bad, it's ok if you don't do xyz'
At this point, I'm totally cool with some punitive steps for those who flout the rules. I'm also cool with the govt getting asked tough questions relentlessly, cos some of these things are fucking annoying to still be happening a year in.
Things happen. But it gets annoying when it appears that nothing has changed in terms of improving our ability to prevent and limit the spread of the disease
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It's going to be a long and tortuous path to stability if the goal remains elimination until vaccination.
And if the expected tail hangs around. How do you feel about periodic lockdowns for 4 years?
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We've spent decades as a society and government moving to light-handed regulation, so it's hardly a surprise that when society suddenly changes its tune, the government is reluctant and the public service unable to implement that switch quickly.
Alongside that are the general civil liberties that make this harder than if we didn't have those. We could move to more active regulatory interventions, but that will take years to scale up.
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it just doesnt feel like we are learning (Govt and general populace) and often feels like we get a knee jerk reaction to something, then a slow-motion one to others.
With these people testing negative, assume when they have tested negative they have been negative and it has only been possible continuous exposure to the virus that they eventually catch it, rather than the more worrying option of people having it and testing negative.
Have to think with the movements of this latest case, our luck has run out and there will be further cases this week, guess the thing to stop L4 is that the cases all need to be linked, although if we get several that arent all same household ones in one day it will become tricky to stay at L3
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so a new case to (Case O) but is a household contact to cases I, J, K & L
Case O was transferred to the Auckland quarantine facility on February 23 as a precautionary measure. The person became symptomatic yesterday and returned a positive Covid-19 test this afternoon. This means that Case O has been in quarantine for their infectious period.
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Perhaps I am too cynical, but I cant see much changing in NZ until full vaccination is achieved.
Westerners are just not made for success in stamping out the virus.
Young people in particular are too freedom loving and unwilling to make small sacrifices like mandatory mask wearing. A she'll be right attitude.
A soft-ass govt with general establishment and scientific support for continuous lockdowns while NZ goes deeper into debt propping up businesses.I harp on about this, but here in Taiwan, they are actually afraid of the virus.
Mandatory mask wearing in most places.
2nd most densely populated country in the world, but have not had a single lockdown.Taiwan has had cases come into the general population a couple of times (one being a Kiwi pilot who bullshitted) and those cases have had massive contact with the public, but the authorities just did their cellphone contact tracing + the benefits of mask wearing and it was fine. No lockdowns.
Early and strict border controls, a ban on foreign visitors and mandatory quarantine for all Taiwanese returning home. NZ is doing all of this (aren't they??), but something is going wrong somewhere.
The cost of this in terms of debt raising is coming for the future.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It's going to be a long and tortuous path to stability if the goal remains elimination until vaccination.
Do you really think the vaccine will make any difference? It will be say oh there's a new variant (that will go on forever) that needs yet another vaccine. That isn't ready yet.
My view is it won't stop until people collectively stop being so very compliant (and even want to punish people or dob people in who aren't good children). And accept that trying to stop a virus is like trying to stop the tide coming in. And think that maybe the way we did things in the past wasn't so bad.
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