Elliott Dixon



  • Noted a while back he'd been rested by ABs.
    Seems odd that having not been in the 23 for some time he hasn't been released to Otago to get some game time?



  • Word on the street is he's settling in well to his newly bestowed title as All Black Foodbill.



  • I can understand not making the 23, he's not going to start ahead of Read or Kaino and just doesn't offer as much off the bench as Ardie or Squire but not being released to Otago is weird. Maybe he's really good at holding up tackling bags?



  • Thought he played for Southland. Or did i make that up?
    Hard to work out where he fits in in the pecking order. Made the Wales series "ahead" of squire, got a start but hasn't been seen since but still got selected ahead of an in form Luatua. I wonder if he will turn out to be a bit like Adam Thompson, a bit of a 6.5 in that he isn't a traditional NZ 7 (not to mention having lots of guys ahead of him there) but doesn't really offer the power game of the AB's 6 of the last decade or so. Maybe 8 would be his best fit but he is behind Read there so may not get a look in unless Read is injured.
    Squire probably fits the Kaino 6 role better.



  • @pukunui said in Elliott Dixon:

    Thought he played for Southland. Or did i make that up?
    Hard to work out where he fits in in the pecking order. Made the Wales series "ahead" of squire, got a start but hasn't been seen since but still got selected ahead of an in form Luatua. I wonder if he will turn out to be a bit like Adam Thompson, a bit of a 6.5 in that he isn't a traditional NZ 7 (not to mention having lots of guys ahead of him there) but doesn't really offer the power game of the AB's 6 of the last decade or so. Maybe 8 would be his best fit but he is behind Read there so may not get a look in unless Read is injured.
    Squire probably fits the Kaino 6 role better.

    Dixon is probably the best lineout loose forward in NZ along with Read. Excellent hands and balance.

    I think his style is closer to Messam in terms of what he does in the tight. I don't think many would put Messam in the "power" category, but I thought he was very effective especially when Kaino went overseas.

    Dixon had a mixed 1st start and he probably has a number of work ons. But he's on,y just turned 27 so there's no reason why he can't be in the mix for a few years if he keeps improving.



  • My bad -- Southlander. But point stands -- can't see he's played since 30th July (not counting game of three halves).

    Shagged?



  • You wonder at what point Akira Ioane will get the call up , not that there is any rush , none really

    But you would think that one is a matter of when they think he is ready

    And when it does happen , does he push someone out



  • That try that he got in the Super rugby final in 2015 would indicate he has a shitload of ball carrying ability. Where has this "no power" myth come from ?



  • @MN5 same place all other myths on here come from!



  • @taniwharugby said in Elliott Dixon:

    @MN5 same place all other myths on here come from!

    True, once the fern labels someone as "can do that" or "can't do that" she's a pretty tough break to bounce back from.



  • @MN5 said in Elliott Dixon:

    That try that he got in the Super rugby final in 2015 would indicate he has a shitload of ball carrying ability. Where has this "no power" myth come from ?

    I wouldn't say "no power" he just isn't "Kaino power" -to be fair not many are. I would put him more in the Read and Luatua mobile loosie category. Messam i would have as a hybrid between the two. Squire i would put in the Kaino category.

    So basically i think he is behind Read and doesn't offer what they want from a bench 6 as much as Squire does. No idea why he hasn't been released to NPC. Maybe they want him in camp soaking up as much knowledge as possible.



  • @kiwiinmelb said in Elliott Dixon:

    You wonder at what point Akira Ioane will get the call up , not that there is any rush , none really

    But you would think that one is a matter of when they think he is ready

    And when it does happen , does he push someone out

    Akira needs to be told the ABs have a no dickhead policy and to sort out his shit.



  • @pukunui said in Elliott Dixon:

    @MN5 said in Elliott Dixon:

    That try that he got in the Super rugby final in 2015 would indicate he has a shitload of ball carrying ability. Where has this "no power" myth come from ?

    I wouldn't say "no power" he just isn't "Kaino power" -to be fair not many are. I would put him more in the Read and Luatua mobile loosie category. Messam i would have as a hybrid between the two. Squire i would put in the Kaino category.

    So basically i think he is behind Read and doesn't offer what they want from a bench 6 as much as Squire does. No idea why he hasn't been released to NPC. Maybe they want him in camp soaking up as much knowledge as possible.

    Again, self confessed non highlanders watcher but I wouldn't put Squire in the Kaino category quite yet although I might be judging him harsher than I should based on his 'do.



  • Just a squad member at this stage - no different to Lima or McKenzie (when he's there)

    Will get his chances when Kaino needs a rest or gets injured.



  • @Unco said in Elliott Dixon:

    @kiwiinmelb said in Elliott Dixon:

    You wonder at what point Akira Ioane will get the call up , not that there is any rush , none really

    But you would think that one is a matter of when they think he is ready

    And when it does happen , does he push someone out

    Akira needs to be told the ABs have a no dickhead policy and to sort out his shit.

    Is someone going to tell Cane about this policy? He gives away more penalties for off the ball play (and was lucky not get pinged in the Argie test for that push) than Akira ever has.



  • '''@Kirwan said in Elliott Dixon:

    @Unco said in Elliott Dixon:

    @kiwiinmelb said in Elliott Dixon:

    You wonder at what point Akira Ioane will get the call up , not that there is any rush , none really

    But you would think that one is a matter of when they think he is ready

    And when it does happen , does he push someone out

    Akira needs to be told the ABs have a no dickhead policy and to sort out his shit.

    Is someone going to tell Cane about this policy? He gives away more penalties for off the ball play (and was lucky not get pinged in the Argie test for that push) that Akira ever has.'''

    Probably been playing a bit longer then Akira?

    I thought the no DH rules was more for outside of rugby rather than DH's in the game. I mean Coles would have been long ago if that rung true



  • @Hooroo said in Elliott Dixon:

    '''@Kirwan said in Elliott Dixon:

    @Unco said in Elliott Dixon:

    @kiwiinmelb said in Elliott Dixon:

    You wonder at what point Akira Ioane will get the call up , not that there is any rush , none really

    But you would think that one is a matter of when they think he is ready

    And when it does happen , does he push someone out

    Akira needs to be told the ABs have a no dickhead policy and to sort out his shit.

    Is someone going to tell Cane about this policy? He gives away more penalties for off the ball play (and was lucky not get pinged in the Argie test for that push) that Akira ever has.'''

    Probably been playing a bit longer then Akira?

    I thought the no DH rules was more for outside of rugby rather than DH's in the game. I mean Coles would have been long ago if that rung true

    And Brodie, top head rubber after penalties.



  • @Unco Get him in the AB environment and peer pressure and the rest will take care of that.



  • To be fair, @Kirwan, Brodie and Sam are from the Chiefs. Right now, as long as Hansen doesn't see them emerging from the rucks with a stripper in tow, he's probably breathing a sigh of relief! 🙂

    #Put the boot in while you can! 🙂



  • I don't see any reason why Akira needs to be in the ABs right now. I quite like the loose forward options we've been using and would like to see a bit more of them.

    Reiko on the other hand might be worth an EOYT spot if we still have midfielders/wings still broken



  • Akira may have issues with the "better people" element - he quite often comes across as a bit of a dick on the field. Just needs to channel that competitive spirit a little better IMO.



  • @ACT-Crusader Because Akira is a stud and has more potential than Squire, Dixon and Todd. You can't teach the size, speed, skill and mongrel of this guy. If he is not on the EOYT I would be surprised.



  • I just hope Akira isn't just a Samoan version of Lauaki.. and can turn into the next Kaino.. (Kaino had the same speed before his injury)



  • @mimic Kaino also got in the AB's too young, and needed to do some growing up before he became the player that he still is today.

    I don't know enough about the Akira Ioane situation, but from the above it does seem like there are parallels.



  • @MajorRage said in Elliott Dixon:

    @mimic Kaino also got in the AB's too young, and needed to do some growing up before he became the player that he still is today.

    I don't know enough about the Akira Ioane situation, but from the above it does seem like there are parallels.

    My impression is he is a physical beast, power , pace and ball skills , looks to have everything physically you could ask for in a 6/8

    But no idea about the person or what is between the ears ,

    the good thing is , in our current situation , there is no rush to bring him on too quickly , time is on our side ,

    I have a feeling he may be the long term replacement for Read at 8 , in 3 or 4 years time he will be 24/25 , perfect



  • Akira may have more potential than those currently in the AB squad, but from what I've seen he doesn't appear to have the physical stamina for an AB loose forward. He has that dynamic ability in attack and can run and take defenders with him, but I don't see those abilities as the highest priority for the way the ABs use their loose forwards. It's all the other little things about ruck accuracy, realignment quickly etc that the coaches/trainers seem to look at.

    No doubt with all the testing and numbers that the ABs do and working with players throughout the year (not just when they are in camp), they will have seen Akira's numbers and if they stacked up he probably would've been selected.

    So in this current cycle there's no need to rush him in there. He's just turned 21 so plenty of time for him to get more top level footy under his belt.



  • @ACT-Crusader said in Elliott Dixon:

    Akira may have more potential than those currently in the AB squad, but from what I've seen he doesn't appear to have the physical stamina for an AB loose forward. He has that dynamic ability in attack and can run and take defenders with him, but I don't see those abilities as the highest priority for the way the ABs use their loose forwards. It's all the other little things about ruck accuracy, realignment quickly etc that the coaches/trainers seem to look at.

    No doubt with all the testing and numbers that the ABs do and working with players throughout the year (not just when they are in camp), they will have seen Akira's numbers and if they stacked up he probably would've been selected.

    So in this current cycle there's no need to rush him in there. He's just turned 21 so plenty of time for him to get more top level footy under his belt.

    Andrew Blowers did all of the wonderful things that Ioane does but Kronfeld and Randell were always in the pecking order above him despite him being the best athlete of them to a casual observer......

    In terms of this "dickish" behaviour is this referring to him having a bit of tete a tete with Jimmy Cowan ? ( I caught highlights of that game )



  • Spotted Dixon in latest ABs training video. No left boot and neoprene ankle brace.



  • @mimic said in Elliott Dixon:

    I just hope Akira isn't just a Samoan version of Lauaki.. and can turn into the next Kaino.. (Kaino had the same speed before his injury)

    I hope he's the Maori version of Kaino. 😉



  • @MN5 said in Elliott Dixon:

    Andrew Blowers did all of the wonderful things that Ioane does but Kronfeld and Randell were always in the pecking order above him despite him being the best athlete of them to a casual observer......

    Yeah, whole host of guys who were superb atheletes but the ABs went with people with better focus & accuracy long term instead, Blowers, Vito, Lauaki, Cribb, Schueler, Thompson, Tiatia, even Kaino in his early days.

    Half of those guys probably lost out (rightly) to Rueben Thorne.



  • @pakman That would probably explain why he's not been sighted!



  • @gollum

    Rueben Thorne was apparently the strongest guy in the gym at the Saders til the other Thorn and the Franks brothers came along.



  • I don't think any of the guys mentioned were as talented as Akira, nor as far ahead in development at the same age.

    I can sort of see why people mention Lauaki next to Akira, but they're not close to the same player though. Akira has better decision making, workrate, defense, hands/ball security, consistency, and brother.

    @broughie said in Elliott Dixon:

    @ACT-Crusader Because Akira is a stud and has more potential than Squire, Dixon and Todd. You can't teach the size, speed, skill and mongrel of this guy. If he is not on the EOYT I would be surprised.

    I think he can provide whatever Squire provides to the team. He's like a souped up version of Squire actually.



  • @gollum said in Elliott Dixon:

    @MN5 said in Elliott Dixon:

    Andrew Blowers did all of the wonderful things that Ioane does but Kronfeld and Randell were always in the pecking order above him despite him being the best athlete of them to a casual observer......

    Yeah, whole host of guys who were superb atheletes but the ABs went with people with better focus & accuracy long term instead, Blowers, Vito, Lauaki, Cribb, Schueler, Thompson, Tiatia, even Kaino in his early days.

    Half of those guys probably lost out (rightly) to Rueben Thorne.

    Most of those guys weren't in direct competition with Thorne. The guys who lost out to Thorne were guys like Randell, Flavell, Gibbs etc.







  • Reading the Wynn Gray article is like talking to the old drunk guy in the pub who just sits down next to you and starts jabbering away.



  • Pretty sure there was footage/imagery of Dixon wearing some sort of moon boot during the rugby championship



  • @Rocky-Rockbottom said in Elliott Dixon:

    @Nepia said in Elliott Dixon:

    Reading the Wynn Gray article is like talking to the old drunk guy in the pub who just sits down next to you and starts jabbering away.

    Goddamn, exactly. The querying title leads you to think some insightful journalism is about to take place, to answer the fucking question posed in the story title, but it immediately just trails off, sorry guys I got nothing, the contrails of a rumination lost to the ether, then the drunken old git just abruptly wanders off.

    Exactly my thoughts. Perfect demonstration of how to write "about" something without actually writing about it. Dixon will probably start vs Arg now.



  • @pakman All blacks "star"?


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