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@Rembrandt Oh yes, ditto for the people who use the 'god's plan' line on couples who are struggling with infertility or miscarriages.
Seriously. FUCK OFF with your bullshit.
The prayer thing annoys me, because so often it is used for show - look I'm doing something about an issue when I'm actually not. If someone is ill, cooking helps. Cleaning helps. Childcare helps. Doing errands helps. Prayer, not so much.
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The other one that shits me is 'Karma'.
"Bloody hell Rembrandt, that's awful!, don't worry bud..Karma will get them!"
"Cheers but I'm not a weak minded idiot who thinks Karma is a thing and who can't take responsibility for my own life..and no it probably doesn't make me happier knowing that...I'm quite sure ignorance is bliss"
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trotting out the Karma thing works on my 8 year old....
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Religious type discussion:
My pet fucking HATE at the moment is when people say that criticising a religion or adherents to a religion is racist.... and the media never pull them up on it.
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@Rembrandt said in Religious type discussion:
I grew up Catholic, I even wanted to be pope as a kid, my hero was John Paul II. And although I do respect some religious entities ie current pope and his somewhat radical move in becoming more modern I'd have to say now I am a complete Atheist..with a surprising lack of tolerance for god botherers that push there faith on me if I'm at the pub.
My click over point was when a good friend my age, who was an atheist, a couple years back got diagnosed with stage 4 bowel cancer (after months of mis-diagnosis). He was totally at piece with his Atheism and even did an interview for Channel 4 in the UK prior to his death. (available on youtube if anyone wants to watch it just pm me). Anyway his last few months had a pretty lasting impact on me and had me change my priorities in life somewhat, but I'll tell you what it takes every ounce of restraint not to ram a fork into someones eye when they tell me his passing was god's plan to help me change my life.
That "gods plan" bullshit riles me too. You see it in comments from religious folk on an article about e.g. a couple that have tragically lost their child to cancer or some other shit. "Oh it's gods plan, he's in a better place now". A- If that's gods plan, he's an evil fucking sociapath and B- the kid is in a better place without his parents?? Really?? Do these people fucking listen to themselves talk? That's a fucking horrible thing to say.
My grandfather was raised in a brethren community, which he left when he was a young man, meaning his entire familiy disowned him so I've actually got no idea who any of them are. So my dad was raised atheist, and on my mums side her parents were I guess agnostic though never actually labelled themselves. Meaning I (thank fuck) never endured childhood indoctrination into whatever religion my parents bought into.
My better half on the other hand was raised in Papua New Guinea for the first 9 years of her life, which is something like 91% Catholic, so she was very religious during her younger years. She would tell people that were mis-behaving off with phrases like "god is watching you!!". Around the time we met she already had a lot of doubts, and a bit of me saying "let's watch some funny standup" and putting on George Carlin was all it took for her to realise the whole thing was a load of bullshit.
Now most of you probably think I'm pretty aggresive with the way I call out religious bullshit, but I am not a patch on my wife. She fucking HATES the fact that she was brainwashed as a child and has absolutely no tolerance for any religious bullshit whatsoever. She can rant about it for fucking hours. Some idiots came round to our place when I was out one day trying to get donations for their local church... needless to say they won't be visiting us again...
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@taniwharugby if it works on an eight year old it might be too sophisticated for some on the Fern!
I am just bemused by this thread, how sensible some are and how incense incensed some others are. We should have stuck to Nigella writhing in central american chocolate, Jegga!
*Hmm that last sentence could be misconstrued..
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Yeah, this stuff shits me too. A few years back some bloke I knew a little through work who was a total God-botherer, was telling me how his wife had been late-diagnosed with stomach cancer just be fore Christmas and how it was very tough for the family as it was touch and go if she would make it. Some pretty tough surgery ensued and then chemo. Anyway she survived.
I sympathised with him and said something along the lines of "That's bloody awful, no-one should have to suffer that sort of thing".
His answer? "No we're glad it happened it has shown us the true strength of our faith". Prick. I wonder if his wife felt the same way.
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And for all those theists that promote their particular religion, I will leave this, something that several of you may have seen before about the College question of whether Hell is exothermic or endothermic.
Enjoy. In particular the part determining how many souls will go the Hell..
The following is supposedly an actual question given on a University of Washington chemistry mid-term. The answer by one student was so "profound" that the professor shared it with colleagues via the Internet, which is, of course, why we now have the pleasure of enjoying it as well.
Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs heat)?
Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant.
One student, however, wrote the following:
First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.
As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go to Hell.
With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added.
This gives two possibilities:
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If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell breaks loose.
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If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.
So which is it?
If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year that, "it will be a cold day in Hell before I go out with you", and take into account the fact that I went out with her last night, then number 2 must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over.
The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore extinct . . . leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being, which explains why last night Teresa kept shouting "Oh, my God!"
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That is superb
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