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@aucklandwarlord said in NZ justice system 2.0:
From memory, the victim in that matter was being a bit of a knob, but not violent or aggressive. Just a bit mouthy. I'm not entirely sure it's ever justified punching some guy out just because he's being a bit lippy.
Ahh, he assaulted a woman first, then got punched for it.
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Fair enough, I stand corrected! I wrote my reply before I read the article and was just going from memory of the event.
"He continued to pester the woman, and on the way out of the restaurant Asthana smacked the woman on the bottom."
He slapped a girl on the ass and got king hit in the head by a guy twice his size for his troubles. An indecent assault, yes. A technical assault, yes. But certainly not smashing a woman around as the term "assaulted" implies. It hardly made him a threat, nor would you term it aggressive - more sleazy and rapey.
Don't get me wrong, I in no way condone the former. I just don't really feel its one that warrants smacking someone's lights out with a single hit. Grab him by the scruff of the shirt for sure, but trying to be a one punch hero only ever leads to trouble.
Obviously McFarland couldn't have known that the guy would end up dead, but if you punch a much smaller drunk guy in the head and you're playing with fire. Hence, I don't really feel sorry for McFarland, he did kill the guy after all. And any feeling of sympathy I might have had quickly evaporated when he lamented losing his career and being in financial hardship after spending only about 18 months inside for killing a guy. He should count himself lucky he's not doing 6 - 8 years inside, which would seemingly be a much more appropriate sentence IMHO.
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@aucklandwarlord I'm not going to get drawn into which assaults should be ignored and which shouldn't, but he was clearly a piston wristed gibbon who decided that he could assault a female. It also had the worrying signs of an escalation over the evening from the deceased - as you said; "rapey". I certainly wouldn't stand by if he did that to a friend of mine or particularly my wife.
For all that McFarland shouldn't have responded in the manner he did, the entire incident was one of Asthana's making. Perhaps if he had received fatal beatings* earlier in his life, he might still be alive now...
I also don't see why people who are efficient should be penalised. How is one punch worse than a couple?
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@antipodean said in NZ justice system 2.0:
@aucklandwarlord I'm not going to get drawn into which assaults should be ignored and which shouldn't, but he was clearly a piston wristed gibbon who decided that he could assault a female. It also had the worrying signs of an escalation over the evening from the deceased - as you said; "rapey". I certainly wouldn't stand by if he did that to a friend of mine or particularly my wife.
Nor would I, but I guess it would just depend on how our responses might differ in that situation. When I was in the job I used to get my ass slapped all the time, generally by drunk white girls (and occasionally guys) when we were doing pub visits or dealing with jobs.
By your logic, it would have been okay for my female colleagues or some offended bystander to throw a punch to teach them a lesson? While you're absolutely right, it was of his own making, I'd say you could find two hundred drunk cocks in the viaduct on any given night behaving in exactly the same manner.
I've dealt with so many one punch knockouts that have resulted in serious injury or worse that throwing a punch doesn't even cross my mind anymore unless I was being physically threatened or already attacked. I'm also a pretty big boy (6 foot 7, 110kg), so it's a definite factor in my mind that if I hit someone, I could fairly well do them some damage. I'd imagine McFarland was aware of his own size and strength or should have known, and was probably no stranger to a gym, just from looking at him.
The king hit killings in Australia have been fairly well publicised over the last decade. It's hard to argue anymore that people don't realise that they can kill someone with one punch.
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@aucklandwarlord I agree that there's no excuse for not knowing the possible outcome, the problem is the combination of continued escalation and associated irritation with the level of alcohol reduces the capacity for problem-solving. Given those inputs people tend to resort to the fight or flight response.
Quite frankly if I was a female cop and someone slapped me on the arse, I'd ruin their night; charge them and lock them up. Otherwise, it breeds contempt.
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@antipodean I dealt with a guy once who had previously been arrested and charged with indecent assault for grabbing a female cop's ass in the processing area. He got quite a hefty sentence for it as well, something like 8 or 9 months inside. To be fair, he had an atrocious criminal record, but it's not unheard of.
Meanwhile, girls on hens nights and 45 year old cougars stinking of alcohol and cigarettes on girls nights out grab male cop's asses as they please with no further consequences. Who says society is equal haha
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I think the disparity is based on perceived danger. An ass pinching from a woman may not be welcome but you're not going to feel particularly threatened unless you are a minor. I've been to the odd gay club before and received unwanted attention but again the logical part of my brain has kicked in and said I'm in their environment, take it as a compliment and sidle away. Uncomfortable as all hell but not really physically threatening...prison showers might be a different story though...
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@aucklandwarlord said in NZ justice system 2.0:
@antipodean I dealt with a guy once who had previously been arrested and charged with indecent assault for grabbing a female cop's ass in the processing area. He got quite a hefty sentence for it as well, something like 8 or 9 months inside. To be fair, he had an atrocious criminal record, but it's not unheard of.
Meanwhile, girls on hens nights and 45 year old cougars stinking of alcohol and cigarettes on girls nights out grab male cop's asses as they please with no further consequences. Who says society is equal haha
That's part of the price we pay for living in a man's world
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@canefan I wonder if that is an accurate statement anymore. We have a number of female world leaders, women out preforming men in education and increasing evidence that the paygap may have actually been resolved at least in western countries. There will always be a physical disparity but modern laws now in regard to intimidation and assault should mitigate that somewhat.
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@canefan said in NZ justice system 2.0:
@aucklandwarlord said in NZ justice system 2.0:
@antipodean I dealt with a guy once who had previously been arrested and charged with indecent assault for grabbing a female cop's ass in the processing area. He got quite a hefty sentence for it as well, something like 8 or 9 months inside. To be fair, he had an atrocious criminal record, but it's not unheard of.
Meanwhile, girls on hens nights and 45 year old cougars stinking of alcohol and cigarettes on girls nights out grab male cop's asses as they please with no further consequences. Who says society is equal haha
That's part of the price we pay for living in a man's world
I suppose I needed to add a sarcasm emoji
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This story makes me so fucking mad.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11820070
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@Mokey said in NZ justice system 2.0:
This story makes me so fucking mad.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11820070
Case for forced sterilisation exhibit A
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@Tregaskis said in NZ justice system 2.0:
Literally the only thing she is good at is breeding.
Pretty low bar give how easy it would be for her to get pregnant...
As above, feel for the kids, but unfortunately there are a lot in that life cycle, grow up seeing their folks collecting benefits, easy for them to fall into the trap of following the family tradition.
Our old neighbours were like that, neither parent worked, so they partied any and all hours of the day, their kids having kids, making the whanau that lived there bigger, more noise, more hangers on...good times.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ justice system 2.0:
@Tregaskis said in NZ justice system 2.0:
Literally the only thing she is good at is breeding.
As above, feel for the kids, but unfortunately there are a lot in that life cycle, grow up seeing their folks collecting benefits, easy for them to fall into the trap of following the family tradition.
It takes an extraordinary effort to break out of the cycle, and probably not without the help of someone who has aspirations that span more than 9 months
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Love having this guy in New Zealand.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11837608
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If you are not a NZ Citizen (not sure how the law would look at it if you emigrated to NZ and had dual citizenship, but if you emigrated too?) you get convicted of a crime that results in a custodial sentence, you should be on the next plane out of NZ.
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