Black Caps in India



  • Tour kicked off with a draw, Ronchi now set to open & the spinners set to go for 400 a day all tour long... but otherwise business as usual



  • You reckon Ronchi's a chance based on one innings ?

    Well to be fair he's built a whole career ODI career on one innings so wouldn't shock me in the slightest if the Guppys time is up.

    The BCs having three spinners means they'll at least share the massive runs they concede.



  • @MN5 said in Black Caps in India:

    You reckon Ronchi's a chance based on one innings ?

    No, but its being reported in the herald so it must be true.

    I'd rather see Guppy go in & play it like a ODI, its not like he is going to be facing extreme pace. I think either of them could go in as opener & smash a ODI style ton, I doubt either of them will, but they both could... They are both equally horribly unsuited to opening in India. And most other places too.



  • Selectors have said that Ronchi is a genuine chance to open. He actually has a good record in the sub continent but I still think it is crazy he is even in contention. I reckon we will see Guptill at least for game one.



  • Well we're going to have to pull a few rabbits out of the hat to get any success.

    We're in danger of not changing anything and getting the same results

    We've got 2 top batsmen and Tommy and BJ. Our so called swing attack will be nullified.

    We gotta come up with something lest we fail like the Aussies do

    We won't win by going through the motions



  • A couple of years ago Southee being injured would have been a massive "Oh fuck" moment. Now it's tinged with excitement at someone else getting a go to be honest.



  • @MN5 said in Black Caps in India:

    A couple of years ago Southee being injured would have been a massive "Oh fuck" moment. Now it's tinged with excitement at someone else getting a go to be honest.

    yep, but unfortunately it will be someone else getting a go on a dustbowl, so they're unlikely to have enough success to displace him.



  • @MN5 said in Black Caps in India:

    A couple of years ago Southee being injured would have been a massive "Oh fuck" moment. Now it's tinged with excitement at someone else getting a go to be honest.

    I think he's a big loss in India as its the one place he consistently pitches it up & gets swing. There's no point bowling a shorter length there, it'll just sitr up to get smacked square. So Tim works pretty well in those conditions.

    I'd probably rather they opened with Santner than Ronchi if they were going to go all left field, not regularly, just in India.



  • Two huge surprises this week:

    • Guptill failing against a red ball
    • Neesham injured

    The selectors couldn't possibly have seen those events coming.



  • @reprobate said in Black Caps in India:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps in India:

    A couple of years ago Southee being injured would have been a massive "Oh fuck" moment. Now it's tinged with excitement at someone else getting a go to be honest.

    yep, but unfortunately it will be someone else getting a go on a dustbowl, so they're unlikely to have enough success to displace him.

    I expect 3 spinners with Wagner and Boult. If Neesham was fit, he would play ahead of one of the spinners.



  • @Donsteppa said in Black Caps in India:

    Two huge surprises this week:

    • Guptill failing against a red ball
    • Neesham injured

    The selectors couldn't possibly have seen those events coming.

    I've also heard that they're going to be quite reliant on Williamson and to a lesser extent Taylor to look at getting some runs.



  • @Donsteppa said in Black Caps in India:

    Two huge surprises this week:

    • Guptill failing against a red ball
    • Neesham injured

    The selectors couldn't possibly have seen those events coming.

    Arf!

    I wonder how long the guy at cricinfo searched for the perfect picture to accompany that. He nail it.



  • So looks like the bowling "attack" is gonna be Boult, Wagner, Sodhi, Craig, Santner......

    All I can say about that is I hope those three spinners can get every ounce of assistance from the conditions they possibly can. I hope Wagner can get the balance of strike bowler/workhorse right too.

    Pretty strong tail though assuming the order is Santner/Watling, Craig, Sodhi, Wagner, Boult. Statistically likely that one or more will hang around for a pesky ( to the opposition ) tail enders innings.



  • My predictions:

    For the thread;
    Pages of people wondering why we play 3 spinners and don't play our 4 best seamers.
    MN5 to put quotes around the word 'spinners', 'attack' once each page at least.
    Posters to promote the idea of which ever of our spinning all rounders has the best series with the bat to open in place of Guptill.

    For the series;
    We get absolutely pumped in first test, then gradually improve.
    Our performance depends 80% on how well Kane and Ross go with the bat.
    Sodhi to have a pretty good series with the bat at number 9 (I hope) judging on how well he's played spin in previous series. (If he lasts beyond the first test)
    We need to win the toss!!! And then score runs.
    Kohli won't know which of our spinners to target, as they're all so ripe, but will eventually settle on Sodhi. May hit him out of the series.



  • @MN5 India have been up to their usual tricks again by providing a greentop in the practice game and then rolling out roads for the test series.

    I think the key for Boult and Wagner will be using the old ball get to reverse swing as I doubt there will be much assistance for them at the start of the innings. Hopefully Sodhi and Santner can replicate their form in the T20 in India. As @Rapido says, winning the toss and batting for as long as possible will be our best hope to succeed.



  • @Rapido said in Black Caps in India:

    My predictions:

    For the thread;
    Pages of people wondering why we play 3 spinners and don't play our 4 best seamers.
    MN5 to put quotes around the word 'spinners', 'attack' once each page at least.
    Posters to promote the idea of which ever of our spinning all rounders has the best series with the bat to open in place of Guptill.

    For the series;
    We get absolutely pumped in first test, then gradually improve.
    Our performance depends 80% on how well Kane and Ross go with the bat.
    Sodhi to have a pretty good series with the bat at number 9 (I hope) judging on how well he's played spin in previous series. (If he lasts beyond the first test)
    We need to win the toss!!! And then score runs.
    Kohli won't know which of our spinners to target, as they're all so ripe, but will eventually settle on Sodhi. May hit him out of the series.

    You left out the parts in which I'll whinge about Craig not being test standard and how I'll repeatedly point out that while Williamson is clearly our best batsman Taylor would be in any other era.

    Also would be nice if Ryder sorted his head out cos a 3/4/5 axis of KW/Taylor/Ryder would be as good as any in todays game.



  • Excited about the series - keen to see how our trio of spinners goes, with the bat and the ball. All three are solid and while Satner has shown the most class Sohdi looks good with bat in hand. Craig is no chump either.

    Rapido, reckon we'll have a sniff early on with Kohli and co going hard at our spinners - while he (and the top order) are great playing spin it only takes one fuck up and got em! I'm just hoping we see that scenario repeated... often... don't burst my bubble man!

    Hopefully both our seamers can get some reverse swing happening and our bowling unit causes issues for the Indians.

    I'm already burning incense at my altar of Kane and Rosco - may the runs flow. Batting runs, ain't nobody want those other runs!

    Edit: Guppy make take runs of any description at the moment!!



  • @Paekakboyz said in Black Caps in India:

    Excited about the series - keen to see how our trio of spinners goes, with the bat and the ball. All three are solid and while Satner has shown the most class Sohdi looks good with bat in hand. Craig is no chump either.

    Rapido, reckon we'll have a sniff early on with Kohli and co going hard at our spinners - while he (and the top order) are great playing spin it only takes one fuck up and got em! I'm just hoping we see that scenario repeated... often... don't burst my bubble man!

    Hopefully both our seamers can get some reverse swing happening and our bowling unit causes issues for the Indians.

    I'm already burning incense at my altar of Kane and Rosco - may the runs flow. Batting runs, ain't nobody want those other runs!

    Edit: Guppy make take runs of any description at the moment!!

    Bro the fact you mention our "spinners" @rapido on the basis of their batting says it all 🙂 🙂

    Surely Dan Vettori isn't too old to turn the arm over ?



  • We'll need everyone to do a bit of everything. Maybe our "spinners" will score most of the runs, and our "opening batsman" will spin out 3-30.



  • I'm looking forward to having cricket on all night every night for the next little while - the timing is great if you're in NZ. Thankfully the better half enjoys her cricket too so shouldn't be a problem having it on 😃

    We have nothing to lose. India have been fucking dominant at home since around 2012, they doctor the shit out of their pitches but given what happened at the T20WC that could backfire on them if Santner and Sodhi settle in. I see old Harbhajan has said the same, that if India make the pitches too unplayable it can be a bit of a leveller.

    I like our bowling lineup, and I think Wagner could provide a great point of difference. He's predictable but the Indians will need to have a plan on how to play the short stuff. If the pitch gets slow and low with the odd one keeping down that could prove to be a handful.

    Not worried about Southee, he's done well in India before but that was under Bond. He's been cake ever since and TBH barely deserves a spot in the team. Hopefully whoever is paired with Boult can just keep it tidy - Southee was really undoing the pressure he was building against SA by serving up dross.

    The toss is going to be fucking critical. If we can bat first and get 350+ then she's all on. Having a strong lower order will benefit us, as on the turning pitches a long innings is fairly unlikely, but a handful of guys making hay and getting 30 - 40 each could get us to something defendable. On that note I hope Guppy's instructions are to go hard in the first 10 before the ball gets old and starts turning sideways. A quickfire 60 or 80 from him against the new ball would be fucking invaluable.

    Bring it on!


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