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  • @Machpants said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    When he posts it loud and proud on social media, it is everyone's business

    He broke the Inclusion Policy of AR (2014) that he signed up to, just the same as everyone who signs up to specific behaviour for their job. He got a warning last time - apparently not this time

    If everyone just went about their daily lives and ignored his post the world would be a better place. Instead everyone is running around drawing attention to it, magnifying the problem they assert exists. Does anybody think sacking him will stop him posting religious nonsense?

    What does the ARU think his fellow religious PIs think about this outcome?





  • @antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @Machpants said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    When he posts it loud and proud on social media, it is everyone's business

    He broke the Inclusion Policy of AR (2014) that he signed up to, just the same as everyone who signs up to specific behaviour for their job. He got a warning last time - apparently not this time

    If everyone just went about their daily lives and ignored his post the world would be a better place. Instead everyone is running around drawing attention to it, magnifying the problem they assert exists. Does anybody think sacking him will stop him posting religious nonsense?

    What does the ARU think his fellow religious PIs think about this outcome?

    I disagree with this 100%.

    He’s in an incredibly privileged position, even by pro sportsman’s standards. He’s been clearly warned to tow the line when he’s done this in the past.

    He hasn’t.

    He’s upset a whole bunch of sponsors who help foot the bill for his massive salary.

    Fuck him and all he stands for.



  • @MN5 said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @Machpants said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    When he posts it loud and proud on social media, it is everyone's business

    He broke the Inclusion Policy of AR (2014) that he signed up to, just the same as everyone who signs up to specific behaviour for their job. He got a warning last time - apparently not this time

    If everyone just went about their daily lives and ignored his post the world would be a better place. Instead everyone is running around drawing attention to it, magnifying the problem they assert exists. Does anybody think sacking him will stop him posting religious nonsense?

    What does the ARU think his fellow religious PIs think about this outcome?

    I disagree with this 100%.

    He’s in an incredibly privileged position, even by pro sportsman’s standards. He’s been clearly warned to tow the line when he’s done this in the past.

    He hasn’t.

    He’s upset a whole bunch of sponsors who help foot the bill for his massive salary.

    Fuck him and all he stands for.

    So in future what other positions will be unacceptable?

    Make no mistake this has harmed the ARU.



  • @antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @Machpants said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    When he posts it loud and proud on social media, it is everyone's business

    He broke the Inclusion Policy of AR (2014) that he signed up to, just the same as everyone who signs up to specific behaviour for their job. He got a warning last time - apparently not this time

    If everyone just went about their daily lives and ignored his post the world would be a better place. Instead everyone is running around drawing attention to it, magnifying the problem they assert exists. Does anybody think sacking him will stop him posting religious nonsense?

    What does the ARU think his fellow religious PIs think about this outcome?

    I agree on the merit of your point.

    However, ARU have made a stance on this, he's signed the contract and he's broken it. Sacked for breaking what the ARU view to be a very important part of the code of conduct, not sacked for being a backward fool.





  • @antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @Machpants said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    When he posts it loud and proud on social media, it is everyone's business

    He broke the Inclusion Policy of AR (2014) that he signed up to, just the same as everyone who signs up to specific behaviour for their job. He got a warning last time - apparently not this time

    If everyone just went about their daily lives and ignored his post the world would be a better place. Instead everyone is running around drawing attention to it, magnifying the problem they assert exists. Does anybody think sacking him will stop him posting religious nonsense?

    What does the ARU think his fellow religious PIs think about this outcome?

    What should it matter? Do they all have to group think?

    He breached the terms of his contract, all PI players should know not to breach your contract.



  • @antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @MN5 said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @Machpants said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    When he posts it loud and proud on social media, it is everyone's business

    He broke the Inclusion Policy of AR (2014) that he signed up to, just the same as everyone who signs up to specific behaviour for their job. He got a warning last time - apparently not this time

    If everyone just went about their daily lives and ignored his post the world would be a better place. Instead everyone is running around drawing attention to it, magnifying the problem they assert exists. Does anybody think sacking him will stop him posting religious nonsense?

    What does the ARU think his fellow religious PIs think about this outcome?

    I disagree with this 100%.

    He’s in an incredibly privileged position, even by pro sportsman’s standards. He’s been clearly warned to tow the line when he’s done this in the past.

    He hasn’t.

    He’s upset a whole bunch of sponsors who help foot the bill for his massive salary.

    Fuck him and all he stands for.

    So in future what other positions will be unacceptable?

    Make no mistake this has harmed the ARU.

    If they follow the current UK path .. it could be anything!! Agree it's a worrying trend, however this is pretty important.



  • @MajorRage said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @Machpants said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    When he posts it loud and proud on social media, it is everyone's business

    He broke the Inclusion Policy of AR (2014) that he signed up to, just the same as everyone who signs up to specific behaviour for their job. He got a warning last time - apparently not this time

    If everyone just went about their daily lives and ignored his post the world would be a better place. Instead everyone is running around drawing attention to it, magnifying the problem they assert exists. Does anybody think sacking him will stop him posting religious nonsense?

    What does the ARU think his fellow religious PIs think about this outcome?

    I agree on the merit of your point.

    However, ARU have made a stance on this, he's signed the contract and he's broken it. Sacked for breaking what the ARU view to be a very important part of the code of conduct, not sacked for being a backward fool.

    I agree that on the basis of the contract he agreed to that it's reasonable. I just have a problem with the persecution of thought that shouldn't have been subject to restriction to begin with. And I say that as someone who considers religious beliefs as stone age idiocy.



  • @antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    Make no mistake this has harmed the ARU.

    I think ARU come out worse if they let it slide



  • It still boggles my mind that him and David Pocock shared a dressing room



  • Well he only has himself to blame, it was a pretty hateful post.

    If I was a manager of a player in the public eye I would be deleting all social media accounts. Having an opinion that is unpopular now costs you your job.

    And to be clear, as an Atheist included in his lovely list, he has been sacked for telling large sections of society that they will go to a place that doesn’t exist.

    Very weird really.



  • @MN5 said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    It still boggles my mind that him and David Pocock shared a dressing room

    I sincerely doubt the strength of Bono's stated convictions.



  • Oh and as All Black fan, nice work weakening your team in a World Cup year. Should piss off a few other players too. Result!



  • @antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @MN5 said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    It still boggles my mind that him and David Pocock shared a dressing room

    I sincerely doubt the strength of Bono's stated convictions.

    Your usually amusing level headed posts have taken a turn for the baffling tonight......

    Or was it another Wallaby forward who wouldn't get married until same sex marriage was legalised in Oz ?



  • @taniwharugby said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    Make no mistake this has harmed the ARU.

    I think ARU come out worse if they let it slide

    I'd agree given they drew the line in the sand. A line I don't think should've been drawn where it was.



  • @MN5 said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @MN5 said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    It still boggles my mind that him and David Pocock shared a dressing room

    I sincerely doubt the strength of Bono's stated convictions.

    Your usually amusing level headed posts have taken a turn for the baffling tonight......

    Cheers. 😉

    Or was it another Wallaby forward who wouldn't get married until same sex marriage was legalised in Oz ?

    Was he not getting laid?



  • @antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @MN5 said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @MN5 said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    It still boggles my mind that him and David Pocock shared a dressing room

    I sincerely doubt the strength of Bono's stated convictions.

    Your usually amusing level headed posts have taken a turn for the baffling tonight......

    Cheers. 😉

    Or was it another Wallaby forward who wouldn't get married until same sex marriage was legalised in Oz ?

    > Was he not getting laid?

    Folau or Pocock ?



  • @MN5 said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @MN5 said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    It still boggles my mind that him and David Pocock shared a dressing room

    I sincerely doubt the strength of Bono's stated convictions.

    Your usually amusing level headed posts have taken a turn for the baffling tonight......

    Or was it another Wallaby forward who wouldn't get married until same sex marriage was legalised in Oz ?

    That was his usual self aggrandising, if he really wanted to prove a point he would have refused to play along side him .



  • Freedom of speech in its purest form. He was free to say it but not free of the consequences of saying it.

    If he didn't share the same values of the ARU then he had every opportunity to not sign that contract but he signed it so tough shit. Now hes hiding from his boss like a little bitch. If I were his agent, I would be sooo pissed right now.



  • @mooshld said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    Freedom of speech in its purest form. He was free to say it but not free of the consequences of saying it.

    This x1000



  • @mooshld said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    If I were his agent, I would be sooo pissed right now.

    Get your management fee up front. 👍



  • @jegga said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @MN5 said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @MN5 said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    It still boggles my mind that him and David Pocock shared a dressing room

    I sincerely doubt the strength of Bono's stated convictions.

    Your usually amusing level headed posts have taken a turn for the baffling tonight......

    Or was it another Wallaby forward who wouldn't get married until same sex marriage was legalised in Oz ?

    That was his usual self aggrandising, if he really wanted to prove a point he would have refused to play along side him .

    Fair call. The almighty $ is a pretty big incentive but again I still stand by my original point of wondering how the actual fuck those two ( arguably their best players ironically enough )actually played together.....



  • I actually feel sorry for the ARU, they are in a lose lose situation.

    Folau must be the stupidest fuck out there.
    How hard is it to not understand when your paid by someone they are allowed to have expectations of how you behave.
    If the CEO of Spark or Fontera etc posted that shit he or she would be gone.

    As said above hour free to say what you want but your free to face consequences as well.



  • Cheika right now ....

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  • @Virgil said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    I actually feel sorry for the ARU, they are in a lose lose situation.

    Folau must be the stupidest fuck out there.
    How hard is it to not understand when your paid by someone they are allowed to have expectations of how you behave.
    If the CEO of Spark or Fontera etc posted that shit he or she would be gone.

    As said above hour free to say what you want but your free to face consequences as well.

    Was driving home earlier and listening to ZB, a few old timers rung and said they felt that Folau was being vilified for his views. I munched my imaginary popcorn while listening and Marcus Lush quite rightly pointed out that it's not some out of touch preacher spinning shit on a Sunday, it's a "role model" who has untold impressionable fans/youths who look up to him.

    But yeah, sad thing is he'll fuck off and earn millions in some french club for the next few years.



  • I don't get this role model argument. Why are people taking moral guidance from an athlete?



  • @antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    I don't get this role model argument. Why are people taking moral guidance from an athlete?

    Yeah I hate that argument, they aren’t role models. A better way to say it is they are very influential due to their fame.



  • I see people are wondering if he did this on purpose to get out of his contract. Interesting timing now that he’s the top try scorer.



  • Part of me is a little uneasy a guy lost his job for a social media post



  • @Kirwan said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    I see people are wondering if he did this on purpose to get out of his contract. Interesting timing now that he’s the top try scorer.

    That was my thoughts . I doubt the French or Japanese really care what he thinks .



  • @mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    Part of me is a little uneasy a guy lost his job for a social media post

    Social media policies are commonplace in workplaces.



  • I think it’s our duty as all black fans to trawl through every top opposition rugby players social media looking for bigoted comments and make sure they can’t take part in this years rwc .

    It’s unpatriotic not to .



  • @mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    Part of me is a little uneasy a guy lost his job for a social media post

    He knew the rules but shat the bed anyway.

    Fuck him.



  • @MN5 said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    Part of me is a little uneasy a guy lost his job for a social media post

    He knew the rules but shat the bed anyway.

    Fuck him.

    Is it really any different from him standing up in the office and announcing it. That shit will still get you fired.



  • @mooshld said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @MN5 said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    Part of me is a little uneasy a guy lost his job for a social media post

    He knew the rules but shat the bed anyway.

    Fuck him.

    Is it really any different from him standing up in the office and announcing it. That shit will still get you fired.

    Exactly. There are so many professions where people have to be so careful with what they say and would face exactly the same sort of sanctions, difference is most people aren't world class sportsmen.

    Try being Police, Fire, Ambo or any sort of Government department, tweet that shit and try and keep your 40k a year job........



  • @KiwiMurph said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    @mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    Part of me is a little uneasy a guy lost his job for a social media post

    Social media policies are commonplace in workplaces.

    Essential if you work with key stakeholders/sponsors. I have it in my contract that I can't grandstand on social media on a number of issues or topics. I'm fine with that because I find grandstanding a waste of time plus I get paid a lot more money by agreeing not to do it.



  • An interesting angle here is that in NZs bill of rights, and I'm sure Aus has it in a human rights act, people are protected from discrimination based on their religious beliefs.

    Firing a guy based on his religious beliefs fits that bill perfectly. So unless you have something specific in your contract you shouldn't be fired for quoting your holy book.

    When it comes to Folau's contract, I'd be surprised if his lawyers didn't put any mitigating factors into it regarding his religious beliefs. It will be interesting to see if the ARU will be able to terminate it without paying him out.



  • @No-Quarter said in Aussie Rugby in general:

    An interesting angle here is that in NZs bill of rights, and I'm sure Aus has it in a human rights act, people are protected from discrimination based on their religious beliefs

    We don't have a Rights Act. Religious freedom is the only freedom explicitly stated in the Constitution but that's limited to government restriction:

    Sect 116
    The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.



  • They say things happen in threes, Folaus gone , Assange is arrested and Shane Jones could round out three pricks getting what’s coming to them as more evidence of his sleaze and corruption comes to light .

    Happy days .


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