Call to Arms (and Stomachs)



  • Right, listen up you useless fat fucks.

    MvJ is sick of people, such as himself, moaning on TSF about how they'd like to get fit and lose weight, but not actually doing anything about it. So your mad uncle "Miller V" has decided to take action. Hence...

    [size=7]Announcing... The TSF Fatbusters Challenge![/size]

    That's right, for the next month we're going Fatbusting on the Fern and Uncle Miller has strapped on the spandex and is leading the way.

    Here's the way it works: starting from Monday, those of us who are in will be going exercise and diet mental for four weeks. The purpose of this forum is to share targets and goals, to suggest recipes, exercises and other tips and to encourage each other. I am your moderator, which should be reason enough to spend less time in front of your computer and more running for your life.

    The rationale is that it will be a damn sight easier if we're all in this together.  Negativity will be outlawed. Anybody who says that need to make "lifetime, lifestyle changes" will instantly be banned. My goals are to be back at full fitness (the rugby season starts in 4 weeks) and to be able to do up the top button of my shirt.

    Threads will be dedicated to each week's progress. Daily reports will be encouraged. I would like also to think that we can get together in our various locations over the next few weekends and kick a ball around or play some cricket or do whatever it takes to be able to run without having a heart attack.  I would even ride NTA's bike if he puts the seat back on it.

    So gentlemen, paste some goals below. The "guess the weight of MvJ" thread will be up and running tomorrow, and the four weeks starts Monday.

    I am now heading off to the pub to tell Crusader Corey that he should give up smoking.



  • OK...I'm in.

    Will jump on scales at work tomorrow and set a goal target.

    So tonight I'll go out to pub and drink a shed load, feed of Fish and Chips while watching the game and finish off the tub of French Vanilla ice cream in freezer when I stumble in.



  • Current weight: 118kg
    Goal weight: 100kg
    Estimated time to achieve: 6 months

    Plan: Sunday, Wednesday, Friday nights ride 20km on mountain bike along M7 Westlink bike track. Two routes have been selected starting at my place in the suburb of Quakers Hill out to a given endpoint, and then back to home. The endpoints selected are:

    [list][]The northern end of the track which terminates just before Old Windsor Road[/Ⓜ1sobbvzt][/list]
    [list][]The M4 motorway to the south at the Light Horse interchange[/Ⓜ1sobbvzt][/list]

    And an alternate "short run" of approx 10km that I use as a fill-in sometimes.

    At present only the first route is in use as I have a goal time to set on this route of 50 minutes with decrements of 2 minutes on current goal. Currently I have set a time of just under 55 minutes (new goal is 53 minutes) though I'm estimating as my stopwatch is broken and I had to use the clock on the oven. Once I crack that time I'll piss the MTB off and get a decent road bike. Then the length of ride should increase to a minimum of 30km total as I become accustomed to it. I also keep logs of conditions which will explain changes in times, particularly over time.

    If the evening is considered too hazardous to ride (rain etc) I shift it to another day. In addition to this, on the nights I do not ride, I am engaging (currently at inadequate frequency) in a program of pushups - sets of 10 as many sets as possible with rest breaks of a couple of minutes. Pushing my weight around is difficult given the sheer fatbastardliness of it all. Also situps and stretches to assist with my flexibility for when I need to start running.

    Current bike time improvements on the first route are:

    Friday, 27 January 2006
    62min 37sec

    Sunday, 29 January 2006
    59min 07sec

    Wednesday, 1 February 2006
    56min 45sec

    Friday, 3 February 2006
    Did Not Ride (sick)

    Sunday, 5 February 2006
    55min 54sec

    Tuesday, 7 February 2006
    28min 42sec "short run" course

    Friday, 10 February 2006
    56min 38sec (estimate)

    Sunday, 12 February 2006
    1 hour (est)

    Wednesday, 15 February 2006
    1 hour (est)

    Friday, 17 February 2006
    55 minutes (est)



  • [quote name='Miller V Jackson']
    Here's the way it works: starting from Monday, those of us who are in will be going exercise and diet mental for four weeks. The purpose of this forum is to share targets and goals, to suggest recipes
    [/quote]
    I have a great recipe for turducken.



  • Ohhh, I like this idea. I bought a bike a month ago but have barely used it.

    Current weight - 87kg.
    Target weight - 83kg

    I shall aim for three rides a week, each time increasing the distance and trying out the hills around here. Will cut back on Coke and soft drink.

    Is it worth me doing sit-ups as well? The stomach is the worst part for me at the moment.



  • Yeah situps and crunches Volts. Helps with the bike riding too as you start to use your whole body to pull momentum up.

    And use the "spinning" technique for hill climbs - keep your cadence at the same rate but go down your gears as you start to lose energy. I've been doing that as opposed to "grinding" which is trying to stay in as high a gear as you can.

    Spinning will get you aerobic fitness much quicker, where grinding will tend to bulk up the legs more.



  • [quote name='Voltman']
    Ohhh, I like this idea. I bought a bike a month ago but have barely used it.

    Current weight - 87kg.
    Target weight - 83kg

    I shall aim for three rides a week, each time increasing the distance and trying out the hills around here. Will cut back on Coke and soft drink.

    Is it worth me doing sit-ups as well? The stomach is the worst part for me at the moment.
    [/quote]

    Sounds almost identical to me (including the gut). Started out at 86-87 about 5 weeks back and am now down to 83. Aiming for about 78-80 as a good range for to sit at, and probably aim back to about 75 if/when I decide I'm no-longer interested in the under 85kg front row...

    Situps will help tone but you still have to burn fat all over to get a major reduction. What's worked for me so far has been a couple of touch games a week and 3-4 nights a week of going for a combined bike ride and run of around 50 minutes, split roughly evenly between the two. That's worked quite well given I have a prior history of shin splints and compartment syndrome in my right calf, but cycling round for a bit then running on grass round the Uni fields has kept them from recurring so-far. I've cut back on coke and junk food by about half, but have not banned them completely.

    Still slower than a wet week in terms of pace but getting there stamina-wise.  Luckily I'm only an emergency reserve for rugby this year due to work committments so it'll give me a few more months - very much needed. 😁

    (Unfortunately, you might find the gut still there at 83...)



  • [quote name='Donsteppa']
    [quote name='Voltman']
    Ohhh, I like this idea. I bought a bike a month ago but have barely used it.

    Current weight - 87kg.
    Target weight - 83kg

    I shall aim for three rides a week, each time increasing the distance and trying out the hills around here. Will cut back on Coke and soft drink.

    Is it worth me doing sit-ups as well? The stomach is the worst part for me at the moment.
    [/quote]

    Sounds almost identical to me (including the gut). Started out at 86-87 about 5 weeks back and am now down to 83. Aiming for about 78-80 as a good range for to sit at, and probably aim back to about 75 if/when I decide I'm no-longer interested in the under 85kg front row...

    Situps will help tone but you still have to burn fat all over to get a major reduction. What's worked for me so far has been a couple of touch games a week and 3-4 nights a week of going for a combined bike ride and run of around 50 minutes, split roughly evenly between the two. That's worked quite well given I have a prior history of shin splints and compartment syndrome in my right calf, but cycling round for a bit then running on grass round the Uni fields has kept them from recurring so-far. I've cut back on coke and junk food by about half, but have not banned them completely.

    Still slower than a wet week in terms of pace but getting there stamina-wise.  Luckily I'm only an emergency reserve for rugby this year due to work committments so it'll give me a few more months - very much needed. 😁

    (Unfortunately, you might find the gut still there at 83...)
    [/quote]

    I have the problem with shin splints and compartment syndrome as well - hence why I bought the bike. So I think I'll stick to that for the moment. How tall are you? I'm 6ft.



  • Yeah can't spot reduce so all the situps in the world won't help if you're not getting other aerobic exercise.

    What I've found really helps is practising holding in your stomach muscles during the day. Just basically means you're always pulling them toward the spine (not ridiculously so) and helps work them at all times.



  • [quote name='Voltman']
    I have the problem with shin splints and compartment syndrome as well - hence why I bought the bike. So I think I'll stick to that for the moment. How tall are you? I'm 6ft.
    [/quote]

    5'10. I've been surprised by how little trouble I've had from the shins even when I've gone for a run round Hamilton lake on the cobblestones a few times recently. The bike seems to really help - I've even abandoned the orthotics - blasted things were more trouble than they were worth - helped (but didnt't solve) the shins and often ended up with pronating outwards instead buggering up my knee.  😕



  • MvJ is buying a set of scales tomorrow, which if nothing else should amuse the chicks at work...



  • OK I'm in. Current weight 120 kg target - double figures.  target in 4 weeks 113kg.

    My biggest problem is I have chronic neck and back problems that give me received pain and tightness in the chest if I use my upper body.  This has meant I haven't done any cardio for about 5 yrs.  I currently have to do physio and pilates each week just to be able to walk.  Have been going to the gym once a week for about 3 mths with the physio as personal instructor and can now get an aerobic exercise (but no upper body) and a measure of fitness is slowly coming back.  Mine will have to be cut out back on the booze and eat healthier



  • [quote name='dogmeat']
    OK I'm in. Current weight 120 kg target - double figures.  target in 4 weeks 113kg.[/quote]

    :nta Mate watch out with that. Healthy maximum weight loss is really only about 1kg per week from some of the reading I've seen. Mate of mine thought himself too heavy at 92kg (slight frame) and has lost 15kg on Weight Watchers (I think) and murdering himself with an hour's exercise every morning. Now none of his pants fit

    Bike would be good - no impact basically but with the back and neck thing a road bike no good. Try hiring a mountain bike or hybrid and getting around on that for a bit of aerobic work.



  • Yep, I'm in too. Who'd have thought TSF would be used for motivational purposes?! Truly remarkable! 👏

    Anyway, my current weight is 99kg, and based on Nicks 1 kg/week rule, I think my goal should be 95 kgs in 4 weeks time. Having said that, i did pre-empt this challenge by starting my fitness regime about 2 weeks ago, and already I've gone from 101kg down to 99 in that time.

    My goal is three pronged:

    Firstly I need to rid myself of the nasty pudgey beer gut. I suppose this comes down to burning more than I eat. Secondly, I'd like to get aerobically fitter so that my body is healthier, and so that I can run for an entire game of touch footy, which is a weekly thing throughout the year. Thirdly, I'd like to get back some of the acceleration off the mark I had in my earlier days, which is obviously an asset for my touch footy.

    So in order to do these 3 things, I've come up with a sprint/fitness regime that I try to do 3 times a week (in combo with a game of footy and tennis each week). The sessions involve a 12 minute run down to my local rugby park, then I do 3 sets of the following (though I intend to increase this to 4 and 5 as I get fitter):

    start at one try line of the rugby field, sprint to the nearest 22m line, jog back to the try line, sprint to halfway, jog back to the try line, sprint to the opposite 22m line, jog back to the try line, then sprint to the opposite tryline. I then do a quick set of 20 pushups and 20 crunches, followed by a 1.30 minute rest. Then into the next set and so on.

    After finishing 3 of these gruelling sessions, I run back home, taking another 12-15 minutes, as I'm obviously going slower than I did on the way to the park. All up, the session lasts about 40 minutes. But is it doing the job in getting rid of my gut, making me fitter and faster? Well, if my weight has gone down 2 kgs, and I'm feeling better each time I do the training, then it's gotta be doing some good, surely? It's better than one long jog because long jogs give me shin splints as well as pins and needles in the toes due to pinched nerves in my left foot. So far, I've had no such problems with this program, even though it's early days.

    Any thoughts anyone?



  • sounds good REd Bull, I like it.  But no doubt doing that sort of thing withouth a decent base fitness is not going to do you as much as good as if you were doing it etc...

    But fuck ANYTHING is better than nothing, and like you (reading between the shimn splint lines), I hate running for longer than a half hour at any rate!!  Jogging is for then birds...

    ANyway - how about all entrants in this race start a thread of their own - their training log (eat, exercise etc), and post their each days activities etc...??



  • Actually just began Day One of the 12 week Body For Life challenge at the gym this morning.  The first workout was hard but a goodie.

    [url="http://www.bodyforlife.com/"]http://www.bodyforlife.com/[/url]



  • brilliant RB, I do the eating plan off that, but never got into the workout thing, prefer my rowing and shite now.  But the weight will just peel off you - and get stuck in on the day off for then eating, well worth it!!



  • and must jump on scales after work today too, see what is happening on that fatbastardnessfront.

    And will throw in a LARGE tee shirt for the punter MvJ deems to have won this little shin dig, and MvJ, a weekly progress report from thyself would rock.  How about some photos too fat bastards??

    I wish I had not deleted my 118kg + photo, I would have beena  shore winner. My rolls had rolls.



  • [quote name='BartMan']
    How about some photos too fat bastards??[/quote]

    Do you ever feel like eating again? Yes? Then I won't post mine. I am a fat fluffybunny let's leave it at that.



  • Am ineligible challenge however I thought I would share this:
    Mad Mozzie started on "Lite N Easy" mid August after killing some scales - just reached a mind blowing weight of 128kgs - fat fucker!
    Stopped over Xmas and New Year to enjoy the spirit of the season, recommenced "Lite N Easy" on return late January - am only doing 5 day 1500 calorie program with lots of working and justed recently started back at the Gym (man some good looking ladies there fellas - that should be incentive enough!). Drink alcohol on weekends, stopped eating the nibbly shit like peanuts, chips, kebabs, pizzas during and after a drink and recent battle with the scales has revealed 104kgs! Got back into those jeans I was wearing in 1994!  👏
    Pretty damn happy, now aiming to bust through the 100kg barrier. :nta



  • Tips -
    Prime wife/girlfriend NOT to cook favourite dinners
    Cut out beer - well okay cut DOWN on beer
    Regular exercise - start slowly - or it won't be a call to arms post but a list of obituaries
    Remember that when you exercise your weight may increase as muscle mass is heavier - a better test sometimes is how the pants fit and how the shirt does up and if you can start to see your old fella!
    Remember to STRETCH, STRETCH and STRETCH before and after exericse
    Have a good breakfast - porridge, fruit and wholemeal toast
    Cut out sugar in tea and coffee - come to think of it cut out tea and coffee and drink plenty of water
    Good Luck!



  • I’ll throw my hat into the ring on this one, although its gunna be a tough month for me to lose some weight as I have a bucks party plus a few tah home games.

    Not sure of current weight – guess is 130kgs, will find out tonight.
    Target weight is 115kgs which would be pretty good for me given my height/build

    Will go on the defacto weight watchers programme I have used in the past and take it from there,

    Exercise isn’t my prob as I already walk either 5km or 10km a day (cover 5kms in 45 mins), it’s the eating I need to focus on



  • Current - 90kg.
    Target - 80kg.

    Aim to get the licenses and take up refereeing this year (any further tips on that would be appreciated).  Have a ski holiday for a week which should just be a calorie burning exercise - will try and lay off the booze/fat stuff whilst there too which should be progressive.

    Strained ligament in the ankle at the moment though - but I don't want to give up the start I made doing the HK 10km race last week.  I try to play tennis & squash for cardio as I HATE treadmills, concept 2's etc.  Much prefer to be outdoors.

    Any tips from people how I can continue with what I've started without doing further damage to my kankle?



  • Stop playing squash and tennis for a start. The lateral movement will stuff your ankle. Running should be OK but walking briskly might be better to limit damage.



  • [quote name='Nick the Aussie']
    Stop playing squash and tennis for a start. The lateral movement will stuff your ankle. Running should be OK but walking briskly might be better to limit damage.
    [/quote]

    Yeah, I'm obviously out of that for a while now - post ski holiday anyway first week of March.

    I basically need to keep off the thing until I go, otherwise it won't heal and I'll be in agony when trying to chat up Japanese birds screaming down the slopes.



  • My biggest problem is staying away for work, am away from home a week at a time and sometimes (like now) am away for a couple and eat shit food as on the go all the time.
    Have just got back to hotel and as left home at 2.30am can't be assed doing anything BUT reading this thread have decided to walk down to Greenlane foodland and buy up some fruit and cerial for breakfasts and water then a snooze and wait until it cools down and go out for same run I did a couple of times last week. up around Cornwall Park and back to hotel which takes 20 mins and after reading Red Bulls sprint to 22 etc which used to do a footy training may mix it up during the week.
    But finding heathy food during the day is hard, as guys I work with want burgers and shit and as I have credit card to buy meals, usually give in and join them.
    So will ask at reception for any scales, weigh the carcass and set up thread as others have done.

    And Bart....farked if i'm posting a pic of the belly for all to take the piss out of! 😁



  • [quote name='BartMan']
    brilliant RB, I do the eating plan off that, but never got into the workout thing, prefer my rowing and shite now.  But the weight will just peel off you - and get stuck in on the day off for then eating, well worth it!!
    [/quote]

    I find the amount of sets per exercise and the 60 second rest periods in BFL challlenging.  I usually like to lift heavier weights (4-6 reps) with 3-5 mins between sets (4-5 sest).  I actually enjoyed this mornings UB workout, although I had to cut my weights back and found the 24 rep double sets at the end of each exercise a killer.  But I did better than I planned so it was a good start.



  • Okay, am in also. Current weight 88 kgs. Goal weight 83 kgs in the 4 weeks.

    Program:

    1. Gym sessions 4 times a week (Mon, Tue, Thu, Fri) doing cardio - bike, cross country ski, treadmill, rowing machine.
    2. Touch footy on Saturdays
    3. Swimming - 2 times a week, starting out doing 10 laps and working up to 30
    4. Cut out beer for 4 weeks and drink wine  :nta ???????
    5. Eat no carbos after 5pm - plenty of meat, veggies, salads but no rice, spuds, pasta, bread
    6. No McDonalds or pies at all

    Bring it on.

    :afro:



  • [quote]Remember that when you exercise your weight may increase as muscle mass is heavier - a better test sometimes is how the pants fit and how the shirt does up and if you can start to see your old fella![/quote]

    Well said TZ - often the weight loss stops (with me anyway in the good old days of pre season training), and you start gaining once the fat is burned away and you start gaining muscles thanks to the extra work you are doing.

    That clothes fitting is the best measure - or a tape measure.Â



  • I'm definately in. Current weight is  167kg . My goal is to lose 12 -15 kg this month and start on my way down.
      Food eaten today
                                    - breakfast - 3 weetbix(hi grain) and peaches
                                    - smoko      - Low fat protein drink
                                    - lunch        - Chicken salad roll (no butter,brown roll)
                                    - Dinner      - ham steak,big pile of stirfry veges and small serve of mashed potato

    Exercise done        - Walked to pick up my daughter from school 3 km
                                    - SWum for 30 minutes including rests at local pool (approx 600 meters)

    I'm 40 in 15 months and my long term goal is to get down to my playing weight plus 5kg = 123kg.



  • [quote name='BartMan']
    [quote]Remember that when you exercise your weight may increase as muscle mass is heavier - a better test sometimes is how the pants fit and how the shirt does up and if you can start to see your old fella![/quote]

    Well said TZ - often the weight loss stops (with me anyway in the good old days of pre season training), and you start gaining once the fat is burned away and you start gaining muscles thanks to the extra work you are doing.

    That clothes fitting is the best measure - or a tape measure. 
    [/quote]

    Put on a couple of kgs over christmas and started making lunch and jogging....scales say I've lost fuck all but had a couple of people hadn't seen for awhile say I look like I've lost weight...confussing



  • Keen as for this.  Currrent wieght is 108.5 and in 4 weeks I assume I can lose 5.5 Kgs.  I will be doing nothing but Circuits and boxing as I will only run for food and that would be pointless for this exercise.

    I'm a cracking cook so diet shouldn't be a problem



  • [quote name='Red Bull']
    Yep, I'm in too. Who'd have thought TSF would be used for motivational purposes?! Truly remarkable! 👏[/quote]

    Yes, the Fern is a strange place. I've seen so many good things I want to try, or to modify for my own use already, and it's only day 1. So a big  👏 to all and keep it coming.

    I love that running / sprinting routine you've got nutted out there Red Bull. That is going to be modified by MvJ for his own purposes! I have the same issues with long runs-- sore shins-- but also cronic boredom. Quite like sprints though, so a mixure is the obvious idea. So obvious I never bloody thought about it until now  😁



  • OK...I need to do this as well. Current weight 112kg, target weight by September when I go back to NZ is double figures. My key measure won't be weight, but I would like to fit into a 36in waist, currently 40in waist. Went to the gym last night, 45 minutes on the Orbital thingee, calories burned 537, Saturday went for a 30 minute walk with my wife. My key challenge will be my diet and ensuring that I eat regularly.



  • Guys, am very impressed that ye are all making such an effort to lose weight and get. Your ideas are bril, but as any female will tell you, if you make drastic changes to your life its very hard to maintain them longterm. Start small, throw away the frying pan, stay well clear of bread , drink spirits/wine instead of beer and move your backside more!! Housework is great for burning calories boys!!! Just remember, that if your exercising a lot, you will probably put on weight, so judge it on how your clothes fit. Am a female rugby player and we smack in the middle of our season up here, have never been as fit but am heavier than i've been in a long time.Will follow your progress with interest.....be strong!!!!



  • Housework?? I'm sure sex burns more calories :nta



  • Waaaaay ahead of you, boys.

    Started a 1-year diet on January 1, 2006.

    Height: 180cms
    Age: 37 yrs

    Was: 97 kgs
    Am now: 89 kgs
    Target: 81 kgs (playing weight)

    Method:

    You're not going to like this, but, rule number one is no alcohol. But I was drinking about a six-pack a night, so if you aren't, then maybe this isn't so important.

    Rule number two is to make a bet with one of your mates, or all of the Fern, about whose going to lose more weight. Non-financial bets that involve pain and/or humiliation are best.

    Rule number three is ignore all the bloody stupid diets out there, stick with the current best science and just reduce your total kilojoule intake slightly (5% - 10%). If you seriously do this, and try to get that 10% especially from fatty foods, you will lose weight.

    Rule number four is moderate exercise. Don't jump into a program that you can't sustain. Take it easy, try to do something every day - quick walk or 20 sit ups / push ups plus a weekly game of touch footy or squash or whatever.

    Anyway, that's what I reckon.



  • Great idea MVJ, am impressed.

    Be very interested to see the guys progress on here. Count me in, have been avoiding the scales after the silly season...



  • The Fern finally turns into Fatfighters...... dust anyone?



  • Mods - ban him for negative comment


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