All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.



  • Nothing beats getting ahead of ones self:
    Not looking to select a team, because who knows what might happen injury-wise and form-shifts tonight but...

    Does A.Smith come back in?

    Strongest lineup possible if we beat the Boks right?

    Changes if we lose? Bledisloe already ours, nothing game, Eden park record to preserve

    Does the Eden Park test count as part of EOY tour, Rieko Ioane to the bench?

    Discuss...



  • Mitre 10 Cup semis are the same weekend so if Auckland miss out which is certainly possible, I could see Rieko being unleashed. Alternatively DMac could get another crack.

    I cant see Aaron Smith playing - with all the press and PR pressure on NZRU I cant see him playing.



  • I'm certainly not getting ahead of myself, but I think this is a dead certainty,

    1. J. Moody
    2. C. Taylor
    3. O. Franks
    4. L. Romano
    5. S. Whitelock
    6. T. Blue
    7. M. Todd
    8. K. Read
    9. T. Chief
    10. T. Cane
    11. T. Lander
    12. R. Crotty
    13. S. Tamanivalu
    14. I. Dagg
    15. B. Smith


  • @ACT-Crusader No T.Sader?



  • So I reckon we play our strongest possible line-up...
    Three questions is... is Cane back? Stuff or NZHerald says hes a couple of weeks away.
    Cruden back?
    Does A.Smith miss again - I'm going to say he doesn't start.

    1. Moody
    2. Coles
    3. Franks
    4. Retallick
    5. Whitelock
    6. Kaino
    7. Cane/Savea
    8. Read
    9. Perenara
    10. Barrett
    11. Naholo
    12. Crotty
    13. ALB
    14. Dagg
    15. Smith
    16. Taylor
    17. Crockett
    18. Faumuina
    19. Squire
    20. Savea
    21. TKB (maybe A.Smith to come off bench)
    22. Cruden/Sopoaga
    23. Moala

    Probably will be few other surprises, but they'll chase this game hard. Its a "Final" for these guys.

    What would the odds have been on this being our best backline post immediately after the RWC...
    I would have thought most people would have seen it being
    A.Smith,
    Cruden,
    J.Savea,
    SBW,
    Crotty/Ngatai?,
    NMS,
    B.Smith.



  • No reason for A. Smith not to play.



  • @hydro11 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    No reason for A. Smith not to play.

    No there's not, but TJP has taken his chance, but question is, does AS get back from past deeds or does he have to earn his spot back?



  • @hydro11

    Plenty of reasons...

    • Give Aaron some 'space' to deal with off-field stuff

    • Good PR to let the situation dissipate - Actually the smartest thing NZRU could do is come out this week and state Aaron won't play this game, puts the issue to rest, they're seen to be proactive, general public will feel hes served the time to match the crime, most fans will think that 4 weeks out (by the time Ireland game rolls around) is overs but see the reasoning.

    • AB's travelling pretty well with Perenara at #9 lately,

    • Putting Aaron straight back in could be seen as just paying lip-service

    • Unfortunately Aaron is like a victim of too many team penalties, but for rugby in general, hes wearing punishment for the Chiefs, and the Wellington kid, wrong person, poor timing.



  • @hydro11 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    No reason for A. Smith not to play.

    Yes there is.

    TJP's awful passing.



  • @westcoastie said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    @hydro11

    Plenty of reasons...

    • Give Aaron some 'space' to deal with off-field stuff

    • Good PR to let the situation dissipate - Actually the smartest thing NZRU could do is come out this week and state Aaron won't play this game, puts the issue to rest, they're seen to be proactive, general public will feel hes served the time to match the crime, most fans will think that 4 weeks out (by the time Ireland game rolls around) is overs but see the reasoning.

    • AB's travelling pretty well with Perenara at #9 lately,

    • Putting Aaron straight back in could be seen as just paying lip-service

    • Unfortunately Aaron is like a victim of too many team penalties, but for rugby in general, hes wearing punishment for the Chiefs, and the Wellington kid, wrong person, poor timing.

    The way to deal with poor PR is not to hide in the corner. Aaron Smith committed a relatively minor indiscretion and it should be treated as such. Making Smith sit out would just be saying that everyone who has been on rugby's back was right all along. You are just acquiescing to the narrative and proving the moralisers in the media right. What the NZRU should do is set their own narrative. Tew screwed up (under great pressure) in apologising to the Filipo victims for something he had nothing to do with. If Smith did something minor and receives a major punishment then obviously it appears like he did something major.

    If Smith needs time to sort out his life it should be granted but I don't see evidence that he does.

    Perenara has played well but two good games in two easy victories shouldn't counterbalance five consecutive years of excellent service. Players who aren't actually performing that well (J. Savea) have received more out of their past performances than two games.



  • @hydro11 There is possibly a recent precedent. Two years ago Cruden transgressed and missed the Arg / SA tour plus the Bledisloe III game in Brisneyland (Barrett started, and Slade came on and kicked the matchwinner). I don't recall Cruden being injured (there was talk he would play for Manawatu during his "suspension" but I don't think it happened) and I believe his next game was the second EOYT game vs England (Carter started the first game in Chicago).

    I have no idea what Cruden did but he served about a month for his misdemeanour. Perhaps Aaron Smith will serve the same.



  • Not sure if selected we would even get the usual Smith either. Despite the relatively minor professional issue, he will be going through personal stuff that he will still be going through this week. The guy is temperamental at the best of times and can go off the boil (see the Boks test earlier in the year for what that looks like).

    TJP starting with Smith off the bench to me is the ideal set up for me given the circumstances.

    Let Smith get over the hump by playing, but keeping him on the bench is a decent compromise - despite all the inner turmoil he would still be better than TKB.



  • @westcoastie said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    @hydro11

    • Give Aaron some 'space' to deal with off-field stuff

    Yeah about 3m x 2m of space ought to do it. Make sure its got the necessary bars and signage. Here's one they prepared earlier:

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  • @Tregaskis said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    @hydro11 There is possibly a recent precedent. Two years ago Cruden transgressed and missed the Arg / SA tour plus the Bledisloe III game in Brisneyland (Barrett started, and Slade came on and kicked the matchwinner). I don't recall Cruden being injured (there was talk he would play for Manawatu during his "suspension" but I don't think it happened) and I believe his next game was the second EOYT game vs England (Carter started the first game in Chicago).

    I have no idea what Cruden did but he served about a month for his misdemeanour. Perhaps Aaron Smith will serve the same.

    Cruden was late for a flight which is a bit more serious IMO.



  • @hydro11 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    @Tregaskis said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    @hydro11 There is possibly a recent precedent. Two years ago Cruden transgressed and missed the Arg / SA tour plus the Bledisloe III game in Brisneyland (Barrett started, and Slade came on and kicked the matchwinner). I don't recall Cruden being injured (there was talk he would play for Manawatu during his "suspension" but I don't think it happened) and I believe his next game was the second EOYT game vs England (Carter started the first game in Chicago).

    I have no idea what Cruden did but he served about a month for his misdemeanour. Perhaps Aaron Smith will serve the same.

    Cruden was late for a flight which is a bit more serious IMO.

    Although it seems arriving early to an airport isn't necessarily a good thing either - too much time on Aaron's hands . . .



  • Tew's next big pitch should be to AIG and adidas to get them to fund a series of private airports for the All Blacks so nothing more can go wrong.



  • @hydro11 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    @

    I have no idea what Cruden did but he served about a month for his misdemeanour. Perhaps Aaron Smith will serve the same.

    Cruden was late for a flight which is a bit more serious IMO.

    Missed the flight because of missing curfew as I understood it ... missing curfew because, well, it took longer than Aaron's.



  • We've by and large kept the same starting lineup. I can't see it changing too much for an EP test.



  • In all reality our squad as a whole is pretty awesome. You could (although I doubt they would) roll out wholesale changes and apart from combinations. Its not like in the past with weak or inexperienced players coming in. Prob the biggest drop is hooker (just because Coles is so good). PT has been good coming on at lock. Squire/Todd/Savea good covering loose. Haven't seen much from TKB or Tamniivlu/Moala of late apart from Taminivalu losing the game for the Naki with a brain explosion.



  • Wonder if the theory (which i don't doubt) about the 3rd game performance drop affects the selection. Bit of travel too

    Should have checked, is the game next week?

    But yeah, motivation will be high for this one. A new achievement up for grabs



  • @Siam nah it is 2 weeks away, 22nd.



  • Be interesting to see if the Wallabies still think niggle is the way to unsettle the ABs .



  • @taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    @Siam nah it is 2 weeks away, 22nd.

    Cool - thanks TR

    1st 15 it is then (with the incumbent Aaron Smith I'd expect)

    i.e. not too disimilar to the bok game XV



  • @kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    Be interesting to see if the Wallabies still think niggle is the way to unsettle the ABs .

    Be more interesting to see if anything remotely physical the Wallabies do is interpreted as niggle.

    I mean, we haven't openly slapped anyone in the face yet, after all.



  • @NTA physical is good , I hope they come at us hard , we want a contest

    But i thought they got it slightly wrong last time with too much push and shove stuff type stuff ,

    Hope they put that aggression in a slightly different direction and hit bodies hard this time



  • Might depend on the ref.

    Anyone know the appointments yet?



  • @NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    Might depend on the ref.

    Anyone know the appointments yet?

    Ref: Nigel Owens (Wales)
    AR1: Craig Joubert (S Africa)
    AR2: Marius van der Westhuizen (S Africa)
    TMO: Shaun Veldsman (S Africa)



  • @Stargazer said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    Ref: Nigel Owens (Wales)

    Shit. He really doesn't like sharing, does he?



  • Tuipolotou please. The rest will take care of itself.



  • @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    Tuipolotou please. The rest will take care of itself.

    To start of off the bench?

    You'd only start him to give Retallick a break and off the bench I'm unsure if he offers more than Squire.



  • @Frye yeah I'd start him to give Retallick a break.

    No doubt they just keep the top XV to ensure the record falls.



  • I do hope Hansen and co do a good job of framing this game in the media leading up. I don't want to hear about how it's all to play for from us and Aussie are some down on their luck fellas just trying to have a go. That is how Cheika will handle it, so it's important to get out in front of it.

    Yes the ABs have a crack at the record, but Aussie have the opportunity to stop them (which is a massive feather in the cap for a nation of spoilers) and as well have their yearly opportunity to break the Eden Park record (arguably more impressive than the win streak - especially when you consider it spans generations and severe downturns) and their own poor record in NZ.

    Aussie have just as much to play for in two weeks and I want to hear that drummed up as much as possible.



  • I can't see A Smith selected as he won't be in a proper state of mind. He has to put things right with his girlfriend and it is surely not an easy task.
    Same team for me with just Savea instead of Todd and Tuipolutu on the bench instead of Savea. The AB will dominate possession so no need to have an openside flanker on the bench.



  • @cgrant said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    I can't see A Smith selected as he won't be in a proper state of mind. He has to put things right with his girlfriend and it is surely not an easy task.

    It may be a simple task if she has told him to fuck off.



  • @rotated I'm not really bothered how the test is couched by Hansen, Cheika, the media or anyone else. All this talk of records, meh.

    The only thing that matters is that the ABs play well and if they do, I think it's a 13+ win.



  • @Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    @Frye yeah I'd start him to give Retallick a break.

    No doubt they just keep the top XV to ensure the record falls.

    Why does Retallick need a rest? He will have had 2 weeks rest. He will then get another 2 weeks rest before Ireland (if he's even selected for that one).

    Given that he's playing the house down, why would he be taken out of the starting lineup?



  • @Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    @cgrant said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    I can't see A Smith selected as he won't be in a proper state of mind. He has to put things right with his girlfriend and it is surely not an easy task.

    It may be a simple task if she has told him to fuck off.

    And a case of him moving his stuff out before she sets fire to it all



  • @canefan said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    @Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    @cgrant said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    I can't see A Smith selected as he won't be in a proper state of mind. He has to put things right with his girlfriend and it is surely not an easy task.

    It may be a simple task if she has told him to fuck off.

    And a case of him moving his stuff out before she sets fire to it all

    Or puts it on trademe at $1 buy now. Anyone want an ab no 9 jersey ? Only worn for 70 minutes this time last year.



  • @ACT-Crusader It doesn't matter to me because I want to see Hansen win a silly mind game. It matters to me because this team for a long while always performs best against a cocky Australian team talking up their chances and always have played down to the level of the aw-gee-shucks-we-are-just-happy-to-be-here Wallaby teams, doubly so as in these funny extra tests at the end of the year.

    However they do it after 2 weeks of drinking in their plaudits and celebrating a sensational TRC campaign I want to see them come out with an edge. That edge might be tough to find given they've already dealt with Aussie twice.



  • @canefan said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    @Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    @cgrant said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:

    I can't see A Smith selected as he won't be in a proper state of mind. He has to put things right with his girlfriend and it is surely not an easy task.

    It may be a simple task if she has told him to fuck off.

    And a case of him moving his stuff out before she sets fire to it all

    I'd be surprised if he was the one moving out. I dare say it's his place.


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