2017 6th Super Rugby squad



  • From the other thread, here are some potential squad members.

    2016 Contracts not renewed:

    Hoani Matenga
    Jack Ram
    Matt McGahan
    Lolagi Visinia
    Tevita Kolomatangi
    Tim Boys
    Ross Geldenhuys
    Micheal Little
    Tony Lambourn
    Namatahi Waa

    Fern mentions:

    Chris Vui
    Jonah Lowe
    Ereatara Enari
    Bryn Gatland
    Sam Vaka
    Cardiff Vaega
    Joe Tupe
    Matt Matich
    Gafatasi Su’a
    Chris Smylie

    NZ Maori:

    Jacob Skeen
    Joe Royal
    Leighton Price
    Marcel Renata
    Whetu Douglas

    In Australia:

    Jackson Garden-Bachop
    Cullum Retallick



  • A stab at XV:

    15. Lolagi Visinia
    14. Jonah Lowe
    13. Sam Vaka
    12. Michael Little
    11. Cardiff Vaega
    10. Jackson Garden-Bachop/Bryn Gatland
     9. Ereatara Enari
    
     8. Joe Tupe
     7. Tim Boys/Jack Ram
     6. Matt Matich
     5. Chris Vui
     4. Hoani Matenga/Cullum Retallick
     3. Joe Royal
     2. Gafatasi Su’a
     1. Namatahi Waa 
    


  • Brendon Edmonds at prop?

    Although I expect he'll the Kane Hames of 2017 and will get snapped up as soon as he's in reasonable shape.



  • @Nepia I thought he was out of the entire season with injury?



  • From over on the 'other' forum, this team to play as the Provincial Barbarians XV against the Lions in Whangarei...

    1 Brendon Edmonds (Hawke's Bay)
    2 Brayden Mitchell (Southland)
    3 Namatahi Waa (Northland)
    4 Brian Alainu’uese (Waikato)
    5 Chris Vui (North Harbour)
    6 Joe Tupe (Bay Of Plenty)
    7 Tim Boys (Southland)
    8 Whetu Douglas (Waikato)
    9 Jimmy Cowan (c) Southland
    10 Bryn Gatland (North Harbour) (a marketers dream)
    11 Sevu Reece (Waikato)
    12 Michael Little (North Harbour)
    13 Sam Vaka (Counties Manukau)
    14 Jonah Lowe (Hawke's Bay)
    15 Lolagi Visinia (Auckland)

    16 Solomona Sakalia (Bay Of Plenty)
    17 Asafo Aumua (Wellington)
    18 Sione Faleatu (Counties Manukau)
    19 Viliame Rarasea (Counties Manukau)
    20 Shannon Frizell (Tasman)
    21 Ere Enari (Canterbury)
    22 Cardiff Vaega (Counties Maukau)
    23 Te Rangatira Waitokia (Wanganui)... but probably Matt McGahan (North Harbour)



  • Brayden Mitchell and Whetu Douglas go into the squad. Sevu Reece was the Fijian wing in the Waikato team?



  • @Nepia Unless there was a clause in Edmonds' contract that permitted the Highlanders to rip up the contract in case of serious injury, Edmonds has a contract with them through to 2018. The only reason why he wasn't named in the team is that they aren't sure he'll return to full fitness this season (if at all) and they needed his spot for a fit prop (apparently, they didn't choose to use a medical exemption to name him as a WTG member, like the Crusaders did with Dagg last year). I expect him to play for the Highlanders if, and as soon as, he's available for selection and another prop drops out due to injury. Don't think another team will be allowed to pick him up (for contractual reasons) unless it's on loan?



  • @Stargazer said in 2017 6th Super Rugby squad:

    @Nepia Unless there was a clause in Edmonds' contract that permitted the Highlanders to rip up the contract in case of serious injury, Edmonds has a contract with them through to 2018. The only reason why he wasn't named in the team is that they aren't sure he'll return to full fitness this season (if at all) and they needed his spot for a fit prop (apparently, they didn't choose to use a medical exemption to name him as a WTG member, like the Crusaders did with Dagg last year). I expect him to play for the Highlanders if, and as soon as, he's available for selection and another prop drops out due to injury. Don't think another team will be allowed to pick him up (for contractual reasons) unless it's on loan?

    As far as I'm aware, if he's not in the squad then he's open game for any NZ team if he makes it back and they need him. Players are still contracted to the NZRU, so there's no specific Highlanders contract to rip up. The same question popped up last year when TKB wasn't named in the Chiefs squad due to his injury and I think that was the answer we eventually figured out.



  • @Unco Okay, thanks. I find that whole contractual situation very unclear. Don't really care where he'll play, as long as he'll be able to recover from that nasty injury and play again, which is apparently in no case a certainty.



  • Upshot s that whenever we do these "remainders" squads it shows clearly that we have the right number of franchises at 5



  • 38 players per squad is pretty generous though.



  • That's 15 extras beyond a game day squad. With players needed to train against plus cover for the average number of injuries per season (last I heard it was anywhere between 4-7), plus the extended number of games, it's probably about right



  • @ACT-Crusader said in 2017 6th Super Rugby squad:

    That's 15 extras beyond a game day squad. With players needed to train against plus cover for the average number of injuries per season (last I heard it was anywhere between 4-7), plus the extended number of games, it's probably about right

    Yup.

    You could take some 'extras' from the squads to form another franchise but that would only weaken the existing strength as otherwise these squads are dipping into low quality once injuries hit.

    The other side of the training thing ACTC brings up is that it is beneficial to have these extras training alongside top players