Black Caps v Pakistan



  • @Unco said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

    Watling's strike rate has more than doubled!

    From 5 to 13...

    Pet peeve of mine that in test matches players don't increase their strike rate enough before a declaration. If we are not going to declare then why did CdG bat like he did? If we are going to declare then why is Watling batting like this? I would have sent Santner or even Southee out there. It is tougher to accelerate in tests but I think Watling could do a bit more.



  • why declare? Pakistan haven't batted a full day in the series. Take the loss out of the picture (we are 1-0 up in the series) and back ourselves to take 10 wickets tomorrow.



  • Well, I've got no idea what they're doing - aside from waiting for Rossco to get his hundred.

    Watling making no effort whatsoever to push the scoring along - he's batting for a draw with 5 off 31.

    Doull has some half-arsed theory that they think they already have enough runs and just want Ross to get his hundred. If that's the case and BJ is just there playing for his average, why didn't they send someone like Southee or Wagner out there, who don't need to worry about their averages?

    Styris making more sense and saying get on with it.



  • @mariner4life said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

    why declare? Pakistan haven't batted a full day in the series. Take the loss out of the picture (we are 1-0 up in the series) and back ourselves to take 10 wickets tomorrow.

    If BJ (Southee!!!) had gone at run a ball, we'd be 380 ahead now and that's the loss pretty much taken out of the picture - and still some time for Rossco to get his hundred and get the lead over 400.

    They're just fucking about!



  • Pushing the game along is such and Australian thing to say. Do we really want to be taking lessons from them right now?



  • Fantastic hundred. Well done Rosco.



  • Ton number 16. Incredible record (by NZ standards). Poor run of form recently but he's one of our very best, pleased to see him back in the runs.

    And we declare to give ourselves a few overs at them tonight.



  • @Chris-B. said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

    Well, I've got no idea what they're doing - aside from waiting for Rossco to get his hundred.

    Watling making no effort whatsoever to push the scoring along - he's batting for a draw with 5 off 31.

    Doull has some half-arsed theory that they think they already have enough runs and just want Ross to get his hundred. If that's the case and BJ is just there playing for his average, why didn't they send someone like Southee or Wagner out there, who don't need to worry about their averages?

    Styris making more sense and saying get on with it.

    If they have enough, you declare. If Taylor is on 26, 96 or 296 it shouldn't matter.

    Great hundred from him, however. Batted at a good rate and played confident cricket.



  • @mariner4life said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

    Pushing the game along is such and Australian thing to say. Do we really want to be taking lessons from them right now?

    Seemed to me like we were taking lessons from Todd Blackadder - falling asleep at the wheel!!!



  • @mariner4life said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

    why declare? Pakistan haven't batted a full day in the series. Take the loss out of the picture (we are 1-0 up in the series) and back ourselves to take 10 wickets tomorrow.

    There will be 98 overs max tomorrow and maybe 3-4 tonight. Pakistan need 369 off 102 overs to win. I can't see that happening. Watling could have batted more quickly and we could have set them a few more and given us a few more overs.

    I don't think Pakistan will even have a go at that total.



  • @hydro11 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

    If they have enough, you declare. If Taylor is on 26, 96 or 296 it shouldn't matter.

    Great hundred from him, however. Batted at a good rate and played confident cricket.

    I don't mind them waiting two or three overs to let someone get a hundred - those statistics are important in assessing someone's career and can help build confidence for the future.

    I simply can't understand what Watling was doing - given CDG went out there and smashed it and Rossco was batting urgently.



  • @Chris-B. said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

    @hydro11 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

    If they have enough, you declare. If Taylor is on 26, 96 or 296 it shouldn't matter.

    Great hundred from him, however. Batted at a good rate and played confident cricket.

    I don't mind them waiting two or three overs to let someone get a hundred - those statistics are important in assessing someone's career and can help build confidence for the future.

    I agree.. roscoe has had a lean run.. it's good to give him some time and build confidence for the summer ahead.. also helps roscoe get one more closer to our national test ton record



  • Bad declaration imo.



  • The only times a team has scored more than 369 in the 4th innings in New Zealand ere both by New Zealand against England and both were lost. There was the famous Astle double century test in 2002. Then there was Southee's debut test in Napier where he also went crazy. The best score by a foreign team was India's 366 in Auckland in early 2014. The highest successful chase was by the West Indies in Auckland in 1965. They chased down 348 to win. We have also chased down plus 300 vs Pakistan in 1994 and England have done it to us. Both of those latter two games were in Christchurch.



  • @hydro11 Yeah - I'm pretty doubtful that Pakistan will get close - and they probably won't be trying - at least initially. But if they can get well past lunch with no more than a couple of wickets down, they'll doubtless re-assess the prospects and balance of drawing the series compared with not losing the test - and think about having a bit of a slog for a while.



  • How's the pitch playing? If Rosco got a ton I'm assuming it has settled into being a good batting track



  • @canefan said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

    How's the pitch playing? If Rosco got a ton I'm assuming it has settled into being a good batting track

    Yes it is a bit easier to bat on now. Still a bit there for the bowlers with the new ball but as Latham showed, if your defence is solid early on then there are runs to be made.



  • No problem with the weather tomorrow and there should be some cloud cover around to assist the bowlers. Henry must be due some luck.



  • Wagner will make life uncomfortable for the batters



  • Shot Black Caps and great work Rossco. Again, what a record for a NZ batsman.

    All over tomorrow. Just like their predecessors this Pakistan team can't play too well overseas.



  • @canefan said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

    Wagner will make life uncomfortable for the batters

    Yup, no major demons in the pitch but it's far from a road, some variable bounce at times which Wagner will exploit. Will take a huge effort from Pakistan to save this game.



  • Feel a little sorry for the Pakistani bowlers today. It was blowing a gale in the Tron, would have been shit to bowl from either end. Here's hoping the weather calms down for us tomorrow.



  • @Mokey I don't feel sorry for them at all. If the boot is on the other foot we are flogging ourselves out on dustbowls in 35-40 degree heat. I hope tomorrow is cold and overcast 😉



  • @MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

    Shot Black Caps and great work Rossco. Again, what a record for a NZ batsman.

    All over tomorrow. Just like their predecessors this Pakistan team can't play too well overseas.

    They play all their tests overseas 😉



  • @African-Monkey said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

    Shot Black Caps and great work Rossco. Again, what a record for a NZ batsman.

    All over tomorrow. Just like their predecessors this Pakistan team can't play too well overseas.

    They play all their tests overseas 😉

    Ha. Was waiting for someone to mention that.



  • @MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

    Shot Black Caps and great work Rossco. Again, what a record for a NZ batsman.

    All over tomorrow. Just like their predecessors this Pakistan team can't play too well overseas.

    You talking about the number 2 test side in the world who haven't lost a series in their last 12 and drew 2 all in England?



  • @Siam said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

    Shot Black Caps and great work Rossco. Again, what a record for a NZ batsman.

    All over tomorrow. Just like their predecessors this Pakistan team can't play too well overseas.

    You talking about the number 2 test side in the world who haven't lost a series in their last 12 and drew 2 all in England?

    Yep I am. They lost soundly in the last test and sure as shit won't win this one so it's looking at least 1-0 to the BCs comfortably.



  • Pakistan have done a good job of parking the bus mid-pitch.



  • @Donsteppa said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

    Pakistan have done a good job of parking the bus mid-pitch.

    Had no idea Savea was back in country already..



  • @MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

    @Siam said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

    @MN5 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

    Shot Black Caps and great work Rossco. Again, what a record for a NZ batsman.

    All over tomorrow. Just like their predecessors this Pakistan team can't play too well overseas.

    You talking about the number 2 test side in the world who haven't lost a series in their last 12 and drew 2 all in England?

    Yep I am. They lost soundly in the last test and sure as shit won't win this one so it's looking at least 1-0 to the BCs comfortably.

    Barely a run an over to date, going to be a long day at this rate. Least there's a chance of the day being called off early if there's no chance of bowling them out.



  • The clouds are starting to disappear too. It seems to be the variable bounce rather than any swing that is causing some problems.



  • Wagner trying to manufacture some rage. Good stuff



  • Sounds like the batsmen are in now. Santner needs to do a big job here but I don't think there is much out there for him.



  • If we can't make inroads a Pakistani win could come into play



  • 295 to make with 66 overs and 10 wickets remaining.

    If they go at say 3 an over for the next 16 overs that would give them a 50 over target of 247.

    Not easy without the ODI fielding/bowling restrictions, but possible.



  • There's basically no way Pakistan can score enough to win, they'd have to take some massive risks given there are no ODI bowling and fielding restrictions. You can get pretty cynical if the other team looks like scoring enough, I recall Mcgrath and co bowling a combination of bouncers and very wide full deliveries against us a few years back, making it impossible to keep up a scoring rate.

    That's a great effort form the Pakistan openers. Not watching so can't comment on our bowling but to go wicketless in the first session against the new ball will give them a big boost.



  • @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

    There's basically no way Pakistan can score enough to win,

    I'd feel more confident if you said Pakistan were a shoe in to win now...



  • @Virgil said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

    @No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

    There's basically no way Pakistan can score enough to win,

    I'd feel more confident if you said Pakistan were a shoe in to win now...

    If Pakistan win I'll do a self-imposed ban...



  • It's basically 5 RPO now.



  • @hydro11 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:

    It's basically 5 RPO now.

    It's in the bag for Pakistan, their test to lose...,


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