Whom should be our long-term Captain? aka will K.Read last the journey to 2019...



  • I know its a Rattue article, but apart from over sensationalising his point, his point is fair enough...
    Will Keiran Read last past the Lions & 2017 season i.e. Next RWC?

    Whom should be the next long-term Captain - it needs to be someone who will stay on the field for 80 most often.
    And someone whom is first choice in their position.
    For me its out of:
    Coles
    Whitelock
    Retallick
    Beaudy
    Ben Smith.

    There is no guarantee Sam Cane will be first choice, once Ardie bulks up some.

    Beaudy isn't going to claim it.

    Personally, I like the idea of it being Whitelock, with Cane & Ben Smith VC's, added bonus of Coles being Hurricanes C. in there too.



  • Maybe first try spelling his name right?



  • Fuck. The zombie apocalypse is real. The "Richie is finished" thread has come back to life



  • Since when were Ratpoo articles worth commenting on?



  • @Stargazer you mean Twattue or Ratpoo?



  • Even if Read is not in top form he doesn't have many rivals for #8..



  • @nostrildamus having rivals means little, I am sure 90% of the posters on here could do a better job that Twattue....



  • I do apologise whole-heartedly for bringing up a Ratpoo article.
    If you break it down to the basics though - he did bring up the interesting point.

    Maybe Read was just so good, that he won't get quite back to that, kind of like DC in 2015.
    Maybe hes also been underplaying his hand, and focusing in different areas, because to be honest we've kicked ass during the TRC, so he doesn't need to be flash harry.



  • @westcoastie said in Whom should be our long-term Captain? aka will K.Read last the journey to 2019...:

    I do apologise whole-heartedly for bringing up a Ratpoo article. If you break it down to the basics though - he did bring up the interesting point.

    "What about all the good things Hitler did"



  • It really is taking a long time to sink to the press and public that by the end of year tour most of our players that have had a heavy workload are playing on the reserve tank. As Hansen explained again the other day, since Argentina were introduced we travel around the world three times and play something like 8 tests in 9 weeks through multiple time zones. Even for an elite athlete you are pushing it to expect them to be at their peak through all of that.



  • @Crucial

    Yup, it's been. Oticeable since 2012 that we are far from our best at an end of year tour.

    It was also the same time that they increased th number of super rugby games and we do 7 tests in 9 weeks. 8 of them away from home (3rd aus match was at Eden park).

    Barrett will play 31 games this season. That is a massive workload.

    Even the English only allow their test players to play 25 (I think it is)



  • @da_grubster said in Whom should be our long-term Captain? aka will K.Read last the journey to 2019...:

    @Crucial

    Yup, it's been. Oticeable since 2012 that we are far from our best at an end of year tour.

    It was also the same time that they increased th number of super rugby games and we do 7 tests in 9 weeks. 8 of them away from home (3rd aus match was at Eden park).

    Barrett will play 31 games this season. That is a massive workload.

    Even the English only allow their test players to play 25 (I think it is)

    Is that really true? The English would have played 13 (I think) tests this season. Their domestic season is 22 games plus 2 rounds for the playoffs and then at least 6 European Cup games on top. If you play every test and only 25 all up then you play less than half of your domestic team's games.



  • I think Read is possibly just tired. If I recall he was at his best during the Wales games and start of Rugby Champ. He does seem to have dips in form from time to time.



  • Surely thats a 2 week stand down for posting a Ratfuck article?



  • There were time during the RC and the Wales test where Read was every bit the player we have come to appreciate and countries laud over. I seem to remember him topping a few post game polls here too.

    He's obviously jaded IMO. Not passed it, jaded. Like Sean Fitzpatrick and AJ Whetton.

    But if Read was to go Id go Cane. He has established himself ahead of Ardie as our starting option and has a level head. Coles I thought has the potential too but I like that hes a little loose and a bit of a mongrel.



  • Read will be fine, we have these discussions at the end of every year. If anything, it just goes to show (yet again) how large the motor on McCaw was. Everybody talks aobut it - Henry, Hansen, even Wayne Barnes. You just can't expect Read to have that same impact.

    I'm all for Sam Cane too. The only mark there is that the captain has to play 80 minutes, where as I think our best team has Ardie on for Cane with 20-30 to go.

    So given that, then it's probably best to give it to the accountant.



  • Let's not forget that Scott Robertson stated that Read will require surgery during the off-season.



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  • Whole subject is full of bullshit, more of the poofy Auckland media undermining what makes NZ rugby great with their jealous pig-island provincialism, but Dane Coles is next.



  • Went down to PaddyPower yesterday and they offered me the tasty odds of 2/1 on a Cantabrian poster chipping into this thread with accusations of provincial bias. Way too good to pass up and I'm of to collect.