2017 New Zealand U20s



  • Coaches
    New Head Coach (replacing Scott Robertson): Hawke's Bay Head Coach Craig Philpott.
    Assistant Coaches: Taranaki’s Willie Rickards (re-appointment) and Otago Head Coach Cory Brown (new appointment).
    Scrum coach: Dave Hewett

    First development camp in preparation of the JWC 2017 (Georgia)
    The first camp will be held from 1-7 December 2016.

    New Zealand U20 will hold further camps in March and April next year, before taking part in the Oceania Tournament on the Gold Coast in April and May. A squad of 28 will be selected to go to the Under 20 World Championship in Georgia from 25 May – 18 June 2017.
    

    Players group
    The following players have been selected for the first development camp:

    Forwards
    Asafo Aumua (Wellington)
    Ben Power (Wellington)
    John (JP) Sauni (Auckland)
    Chris Cairns (Manawatu)
    Pouri Rakete -Stones (Hawke’s Bay)
    Alex Fidow (Wellington)
    Jerry Samania (Auckland)
    Ben Aumua Peseta (Wellington)
    Sitiveni Paongo (Wellington)
    Ezekiel Lindenmuth (Auckland)
    Harrison Allan (Canterbury)
    Afioga Ielemia (Auckland)
    Sam Caird (Waikato)
    Jacob Pierce (Auckland)
    Isaia Walker-Leawere (Wellington)
    Shineil Singh (Waikato)
    Will Tucker (Canterbury)
    Samuel Slade (Auckland)
    Luke Jacobson (Waikato)
    Sione Tuipulotu (Counties Manukau)
    Tom Christie (Canterbury)
    Slade McDowall (Otago)
    Adrian Choat (Auckland)
    Du'Plessis Kirifi (Waikato)
    Brayden Iose (Manawatu)
    Josh Brown (Wellington)
    Dylan Lam (North Harbour)
    Marino Mikaele-Tuu (Hawke’s Bay)
    Isaiah Miller Tasman)

    Backs
    Caleb Korteweg (Waikato)
    Lewis Gjaltema (North Harbour)
    Kemara Hauiti –Parapara (Wellington)
    Carlos Price (Wellington)
    Tiaan Falcon (Hawke’s Bay)
    Matt Lansdown (Waikato)
    Orbyn Leger (Counties Manukau)
    Matt McKenzie (Taranaki)
    Braydon Ennor (Canterbury)
    Tamati Tua (Northland)
    Lester Maulolo (Wellington)
    Nikolai Foliaki (Auckland)
    Tima Faingaanuku (Tasman
    Josh McKay (Canterbury)
    Caleb Clarke (Auckland)
    To'o Vaega (Auckland)
    Sheldon Tovio (Waikato)
    Tyler Campbell (Waikato)
    Josh Buchan (Otago)
    Will Jordan (Canterbury)

    Not considered due to Super Rugby Commitments were:
    Jordie Barrett (Hurricanes)
    Peter Umaga Jensen (Hurricanes)
    Stephen Perofeta (Blues)
    Eri Enari (Crusaders)

    Players not considered due to injury were:
    Thomas Umaga Jensen (Otago)
    James Little (North Harbour)
    Otumaka Mausia (Auckland)
    Dalton Papalii (Auckland)
    Ryan Coxan (Waikato)

    Ten of these players were involved in last year’s campaign.
    

    http://www.allblacks.com/News/30143/exciting-squad-named-for-nz-under-20-development-camp



  • Selected players by province:

    • Auckland (10): John (JP) Sauni, Jerry Samania, Ezekiel Lindenmuth, Afioga Ielemia, Jacob Pierce, Samuel Slade, Adrian Choat, Nikolai Foliaki, Caleb Clarke, To'o Vaega

    • Canterbury (6): Harrison Allan, Will Tucker, Tom Christie, Braydon Ennor, Josh McKay, Will Jordan

    • Counties Manukau (2): Sione Tuipulotu, Orbyn Leger

    • Hawke's Bay (3): Pouri Rakete -Stones, Marino Mikaele-Tuu, Tiaan Falcon

    • Manawatu (2): Chris Cairns, Brayden Iose

    • North Harbour (2): Dylan Lam, Lewis Gjaltema

    • Northland (1): Tamati Tua

    • Otago (2): Slade McDowall, Josh Buchan

    • Taranaki (1): Matt McKenzie

    • Tasman (2): Isaiah Miller, Tima Faingaanuku

    • Waikato (8): Sam Caird, Shineil Singh, Luke Jacobson, Du'Plessis Kirifi, Caleb Korteweg, Matt Lansdown, Sheldon Tovio, Tyler Campbell

    • Wellington (10): Asafo Aumua, Ben Power, Alex Fidow, Ben Aumua Peseta, Sitiveni Paongo, Isaia Walker-Leawere, Josh Brown, Kemara Hauiti–Parapara, Carlos Price, Lester Maulolo

    • BOP: -

    • Southland: -



  • Hmm, no Wiseguy Faiane.



  • Chris Cairns lying again, about his age this time...guffaw





  • Winning is obviously not a priority with Philpott as the new coach. 😃



  • @Bovidae said in 2017 New Zealand U20s:

    Winning is obviously not a priority with Philpott as the new coach. 😃

    He's so shit he couldn't even shoehorn a few more Hawkes Bay players into the squad like other coaches do ....



  • Plummer is not among the 49. Is he too old to be considered ?



  • @cgrant said in 2017 New Zealand U20s:

    Plummer is not among the 49. Is he too old to be considered ?

    No, he's from 19/06/1998



  • @cgrant He's probably only 18.



  • No Sevu Reece, is he inelligible?



  • @Tim.... and no Losi Filipo, 😁



  • @Hooroo

    "The rugby-playing Cairns was nicknamed "The Match Fixer" by his Old Boys-Marist club-mates this year and he hasn't been able to shake it."

    😆 🤣



  • This team used to be the place our best coaches went to for a taste of international tournaments.

    Philpott?



  • I see the name "Shineil Singh" from Waikato. I don't know of him (don't follow rugby below SR level) but isn't it interesting and extremely welcome to see an Indian player coming through? Is he the first Indian to achieve this status?

    I presume he is Punjabi, who tend to be larger than your average Indian. Back in India they are men of the land, and often soldiers, defending the border against Pakistan (their home state is on the border). In NZ there is a decent sized dairy farming population. More recently, they've often had to learn to defend themselves against criminals in the independent liquor retail business.

    Sounds like he can handle himself.



  • Or he is Fijian.....



  • @Tregaskis Shneil Singh plays for Morrinsville Sports. He's a lock so likely a Fijian Indian as @Hooroo says.



  • June 8th Kutaisi stadium, Kutaisi
    Ireland U20 vs New Zealand U20

    The baby blacks will be up for that match! 😉



  • @Bovidae said in 2017 New Zealand U20s:

    @Tregaskis Shneil Singh plays for Morrinsville Sports. He's a lock so likely a Fijian Indian as @Hooroo says.

    Jeez - yiz are poaching Indians now?

    There's only another 1,336,286,255 of them left now...



  • @Nepia said in 2017 New Zealand U20s:

    He's so shit he couldn't even shoehorn a few more Hawkes Bay players into the squad like other coaches do ....

    He left plenty of space for it - with only 10 players from the four South Island unions.



  • @Chris-B. said in 2017 New Zealand U20s:

    @Nepia said in 2017 New Zealand U20s:

    He's so shit he couldn't even shoehorn a few more Hawkes Bay players into the squad like other coaches do ....

    He left plenty of space for it - with only 10 players from the four South Island unions.

    You know his pecking order is Crusaders catchment area and then Hawkes Bay right? 😉



  • Must be pulling a Justin Marshall - bending over backwards to avoid allegations of bias.

    A bit rough on Southland, though!



  • Couple of promising players in the Canterbury group. In particular prop Harrison Allan.

    Saw him play a game of Club colts this year with the old man, both of us were super impressed.

    Nice to see another 10 out of Christchurch Boys too (Josh McKay)



  • @Pot-Hale Only the good ones! 😆

    As to the squad, team/individual performance at the Taupo national tournament usually plays a large part in selection. The teams that made the finals are most represented.



  • @Bovidae said in 2017 New Zealand U20s:

    @Tregaskis Shneil Singh plays for Morrinsville Sports. He's a lock so likely a Fijian Indian as @Hooroo says.

    I hadn't factored in "Fijian Indian" which is more plausible. Blew my theory right out of the water....until I found this:

    https://www.facebook.com/people/Shneil-Singh/100007417185745

    I'm not sure it's him but he's big and has a few rugby links - the jury is still out.



  • Played with an Indian bloke in Putaruru a number of years back (late 80s) who was a lock.

    Good player and good bloke. Gun in the lineout.

    Pretty sure he wasn't Fijian Indian as I once made some completely inadvertent faux pas about Fiji (meaning Fiji Indian) which he wasn't impressed with.

    Why do I feel this really doesn't matter? Can the guy play footy?





  • Somewhere up north, a hack is having a cross between an ejaculation and an aneurysm having discovered our new source of talent to poach.



  • @MajorRage said in 2017 New Zealand U20s:

    Somewhere up north, a hack is having a cross between an ejaculation and an aneurysm having discovered our new source of talent to poach.

    Irish scouts are booking tickets to the subcontinent for project players as we speak.



  • @Stargazer I'm not surprised he is from farming stock from the Gordonton/Orini area. There's a large Indian community out there but most are 3rd/4th generation Kiwis. I would have seen him play for St Pauls.



  • He looks very big for such a young guy. Any idea of his height and weight ?



  • Second development camp in preparation of the JWC 2017 (Georgia)
    The first camp will be held from 9-13 March 2017.

    Players group
    The following 48 players have been selected for the first development camp:

    Forwards:
    Dylan Lam - North Harbour
    John (JP) Sauni - Auckland
    Ezekiel Lindenmuth - Auckland
    Jerry Samania - Auckland
    Jacob Pierce - Auckland
    Cameron Suafoa - Auckland
    Samuel Slade - Auckland
    Dalton Papalii - Auckland
    Adrian Choat - Auckland
    Sione Tuipulotu - Counties
    Sam Caird - Waikato
    Shneil Singh - Waikato
    Laghlan McWhannell - Waikato
    Luke Jacobson - Waikato
    Ryan Coxan - Waikato
    Du'Plessis Kirifi - Waikato
    Pouri Rakete-Stones - Hawkes Bay
    Marino Mikaele -Tuu - Hawkes Bay
    Brayden Iose - Manawatu
    Chris Cairns - Manawatu
    Asafo Aumua - Wellington
    Ben Power - Wellington
    Isaia Walker-Leawere - Wellington
    Josh Brown - Wellington
    Harrison Allan - Canterbury
    Tom Christie - Canterbury
    Slade McDowall - Otago

    Backs
    Tamati Tua - Northland
    Lewis Gjaltema - North Harbour
    James Little - North Harbour
    Otumaka Mausia - Auckland
    Tanielu Tele’a - Auckland
    Nikolai Foliaki - Auckland
    Caleb Clarke - Auckland
    To'o Vaega - Auckland
    Orbyn Leger - Counties
    Tyler Campbell - Waikato
    Matt Lansdown - Waikato
    Tiaan Falcon - Hawkes Bay
    Kemara Hauiti-Parapara - Wellington
    Carlos Price - Wellington
    Billy Proctor - Wellington
    Tima Faingaanuku - Tasman
    Ereatara Enari - Canterbury
    Braydon Ennor - Canterbury
    Josh McKay - Canterbury
    Will Jordan - Canterbury
    Jonah Nareki - Otago

    Note: further front row players will be selected following the tight-five clinic.

    Not attending due to injury or Super Rugby commitments:
    Sheldon Tovio - Waikato
    Jordie Barrett - Taranaki
    Stephen Perofeta - Taranaki
    Alex Fidow - Wellington
    Thomas Umaga Jensen - Wellington
    Peter Umaga Jensen - Wellington
    Lester Maulolo - Wellington

    New Zealand Under 20 will hold a further camp in April, before taking part in the Oceania Tournament on the Gold Coast in April and May. A squad of 28 will be selected to go to the Under 20 World Championship in Georgia from 25 May – 18 June 2017.
    

    http://www.allblacks.com/News/30468/squad-named-for-under-20-world-championship-camp



  • Selected players by province:

    • Auckland (13): John (JP) Sauni, Ezekiel Lindenmuth, Jerry Samania, Jacob Pierce, Cameron Suafoa, Samuel Slade, Dalton Papalii, Adrian Choat, Otumaka Mausia, Tanielu Tele’a, Nikolai Foliaki, Caleb Clarke, To'o Vaega
    • Canterbury (6): Harrison Allan, Tom Christie, Ereatara Enari, Braydon Ennor, Josh McKay, Will Jordan
    • Counties Manukau (2): Sione Tuipulotu, Orbyn Leger
    • Hawke's Bay (3): Pouri Rakete-Stones, Marino Mikaele-Tuu, Tiaan Falcon
    • Manawatu (2): Brayden Iose, Chris Cairns
    • North Harbour (3): Dylan Lam, Lewis Gjaltema, James Little
    • Northland (1): Tamati Tua
    • Otago (2): Slade McDowall, Jonah Nareki
    • Taranaki (2): - / Jordie Barrett, Stephen Perofeta
    • Tasman (1): Tima Faingaanuku
    • Waikato (9): Sam Caird, Shneil Singh, Laghlan McWhannell, Luke Jacobson, Ryan Coxan, Du'Plessis Kirifi, Tyler Campbell, Matt Lansdown / Sheldon Tovio
    • Wellington (11): Asafo Aumua, Ben Power, Isaia Walker-Leawere, Josh Brown, Kemara Hauiti-Parapara, Carlos Price, Billy Proctor / Alex Fidow, Thomas Umaga Jensen, Peter Umaga Jensen, Lester Maulolo
    • BOP (0): -
    • Southland (0): -

    Apparently, Thomas Umaga-Jensen has moved back from Otago to Wellington. By the way, he and - especially - his twin brother seem to be injured almost permanently.
    It further looks like a few players have returned from injury, and some names have been scratched or added since December.



  • What the NZ U20s will need are good props to have a competitive front row. Some decent size at lock wouldn't hurt either.

    I have no problems with the talent available at loose forward and in the backline but if the tight five are struggling to impose themselves, and the weather is shite, then we've seen what happens.



  • @Bovidae

    To your point, some interesting comments by Cron.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-newspapers/central-north-island/sport/sport-region-6459/90301155/Matching-scrum-power-of-European-teams-the-key-for-New-Zealand-Under-20s

    Cron admitted the Kiwi players usually have some catching up to do at set piece for the tournament.

    "In New Zealand we are a wee bit behind other countries in terms of physical strength," he said. "We do not put emphasis on strength programmes when they are young and I think is fine. At 16, let them play and learn their body, in a couple of year's time they catch up to the overseas teams."

    Philpott said after seeing what happened to the side in 2016, he would be picking his props based on the core role of scrummaging first.

    "New Zealand Rugby is about mobility and playing the game fast, that is our point of difference in world," he said. "But in my involvement with this tournament in the past couple of years, we need to be able to hold our own at scrum time and it cost us last year. Scrummaging is a core role, particularly for tightheads. First and foremost they have to be able to do that and the other stuff is the bonus."

    He was encouraged by the group they had assembled this year and believed the likely weather in Georgia would help them in their bid to win the title back from England.

    "Looking at the weather in Georgia in June it is pretty dry and about 28 degrees which will play into our hands a little bit," he said. "It will mean that we are able to play the type of game that we love, but still be aware of what the opposition will bring, particularly at scrum time and lineout time because it will be quite different to what these guys have seen before**."



  • @KiwiMurph said in 2017 New Zealand U20s:

    @Bovidae

    To your point, some interesting comments by Cron.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-newspapers/central-north-island/sport/sport-region-6459/90301155/Matching-scrum-power-of-European-teams-the-key-for-New-Zealand-Under-20s

    Cron admitted the Kiwi players usually have some catching up to do at set piece for the tournament.

    "In New Zealand we are a wee bit behind other countries in terms of physical strength," he said. "We do not put emphasis on strength programmes when they are young and I think is fine. At 16, let them play and learn their body, in a couple of year's time they catch up to the overseas teams."

    Philpott said after seeing what happened to the side in 2016, he would be picking his props based on the core role of scrummaging first.

    "New Zealand Rugby is about mobility and playing the game fast, that is our point of difference in world," he said. "But in my involvement with this tournament in the past couple of years, we need to be able to hold our own at scrum time and it cost us last year. Scrummaging is a core role, particularly for tightheads. First and foremost they have to be able to do that and the other stuff is the bonus."

    He was encouraged by the group they had assembled this year and believed the likely weather in Georgia would help them in their bid to win the title back from England.

    "Looking at the weather in Georgia in June it is pretty dry and about 28 degrees which will play into our hands a little bit," he said. "It will mean that we are able to play the type of game that we love, but still be aware of what the opposition will bring, particularly at scrum time and lineout time because it will be quite different to what these guys have seen before**."

    Sounds to me like Cron made an excuse firstly and then said the real reason why NZ struggled in the scrum last year. Its not that they're behind in terms of physical strength but rather they prioritise mobile props to play a fast game. Thats just the way it is.

    The U20 6 nations is on at the moment. England are looking good again.



  • Always look forward to the JWC and seeing the next big things from other countries before they hit the big time.

    England going really well in the U20 6N, despite having a handful of players unavailable with club commitments. Last season they actually only beat Italy before turning things around for the JWC. Probably a better group of players this season (not especially big again, contrary to the stereotype), so will be interesting to see whether they can back it up in June in a knockout environment. Definitely a handful of future internationals, with the back row being especially strong.



  • The three Six Nations comps are all motoring nicely for England and Ireland so far with both of them in first and second in all three - U20s, Women's Senior and Men's Senior. Both teams unbeaten in the U20s and Women's. If they win their games this weekend, then St Patrick's weekend is going to be a mighty festival of rugby with championships and grand slams on the table for the two rivals. Should be a lot of fun - have my tickets lined up for all three.



  • @Pot-Hale

    Yep, it's nicely set up. Would be nice to get there with all to play for in all formats, but we'll see...



  • The Oceania U20s Championship will expand to four nations in 2017 with Samoa and Fiji joining New Zealand and tournament hosts Australia on the Gold Coast this May.

    http://www.allblacks.com/News/30501/fiji-and-samoa-join-the-oceania-u20-championships


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