Flouride raring its head again



  • I'm so proud of Hamiltonians that voted this person in! Give yourselves a great big pat on the back.

    I honestly beleive that therehould be a "general' exam that must be passed before you are allowed to put yourself forward as a councillor. I doubt she would hav passed

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/87030493/hamilton-city-councillor-siggi-henry-accuses-health-officials-of-fluoride-spin-brainwashing



  • Oh this is my favourite part!!!

    '''The more educated you are in a field, the narrower your thinking becomes. I'm not hot on these academics...sitting on comfy chairs up on their hill. I've studied this subject for over 20 years, I know a little bit more than they do.'''



  • Yep, she's a well known nutter, but somehow the good folk of Hamilton looked past that. Or worse, want that sort of representation...



  • WTF



  • People.. including myself.. generally have no idea what local politicians stand for.



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback

    I was chatting with @Mokey on facebook around the time of the council election and was told off as I said I wasn't going to vote as I had no idea who any of them were or what they were pushing. (Matamata-Piako rather than Hamilton Council elections)

    You can easily see how these mickey mouse types get in.



  • @Hooroo said in Flouride raring its head again:

    Oh this is my favourite part!!!

    '''The more educated you are in a field, the narrower your thinking becomes. I'm not hot on these academics...sitting on comfy chairs up on their hill. I've studied this subject for over 20 years, I know a little bit more than they do.'''

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  • That is some serious Winger type shit there. Two facepalms doesn't even cover that.



  • Can't recall the site but in the last local elections they'd surveyed all the folks standing asking for views on Fluoride and a range of other stuff. Agree 100% that voting for a person who "Wants to bring our community together and is passionate about people' tells you fuck all about their actual experience or views on stuff like this.



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Flouride raring its head again:

    People.. including myself.. generally have no idea what local politicians stand for.

    Voter turnout must be incredibly low for these types of elections.



  • @Hooroo said in Flouride raring its head again:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback

    I was chatting with @Mokey on facebook around the time of the council election and was told off as I said I wasn't going to vote as I had no idea who any of them were or what they were pushing. (Matamata-Piako rather than Hamilton Council elections)

    You can easily see how these mickey mouse types get in.

    I am the same as you, I am a terrible local body constituent. I do think that the local papers do a poor job of covering them as well. I think the council should fund a pamphlet drop with just a blurb and policies for each candidate.

    Worth the cost IMO



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Flouride raring its head again:

    @Hooroo said in Flouride raring its head again:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback

    I was chatting with @Mokey on facebook around the time of the council election and was told off as I said I wasn't going to vote as I had no idea who any of them were or what they were pushing. (Matamata-Piako rather than Hamilton Council elections)

    You can easily see how these mickey mouse types get in.

    I am the same as you, I am a terrible local body constituent. I do think that the local papers do a poor job of covering them as well. I think the council should fund a pamphlet drop with just a blurb and policies for each candidate.

    Worth the cost IMO

    Or chuck it up on a website (which would be cheaper) and include the link on the enrollment forms.



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback we got the profile blurb in our local election info but the missing part was policy position. Did anyone on TSF get any policy type info along with the "X likes walks on the beach and has 4 kids" stuff?

    Policy info would make a big difference imo. Even if it meant my voting was more motivated by keeping numbnuts out!





  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback Auckland Council do a pamphlet drop.

    I was seriously considering running for the local board at this years elections on precisely that basis.

    I mean there is such an under-representation of white, middle-aged males someone has to stand up and be counted - right....

    I wouldn't have bothered with billboards or social media or any of that expense, but reckoned I could write a pretty reasonable 100 word sales pitch Born, schooled and grew up in area - history in business chair of biggest commercial/industrial business district in NZ, bit of an expert on Unitary Plan, won Best article on TSF in 2011.....

    Name recognition gets about 4 people in but then I reckon people decide based on those blurbs.

    In the end I was launching a new business, was a bit tired of it all after nine years on a Board and then looked at the likely make up of the Local Board (majority ex Alliance) and the fact that as predominantly dormitory suburbs it would all be about swimming pools and cycle paths and thought nah. I actually wanted to be able to make a difference

    I have tucked it away as a retirement option though. Worth $30k p.a.



  • @dogmeat said in Flouride raring its head again:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback Auckland Council do a pamphlet drop.

    I was seriously considering running for the local board at this years elections on precisely that basis.

    I mean there is such an under-representation of white, middle-aged males someone has to stand up and be counted - right....

    I wouldn't have bothered with billboards or social media or any of that expense, but reckoned I could write a pretty reasonable 100 word sales pitch Born, schooled and grew up in area - history in business chair of biggest commercial/industrial business district in NZ, bit of an expert on Unitary Plan, won Best article on TSF in 2011.....

    Name recognition gets about 4 people in but then I reckon people decide based on those blurbs.

    In the end I was launching a new business, was a bit tired of it all after nine years on a Board and then looked at the likely make up of the Local Board (majority ex Alliance) and the fact that as predominantly dormitory suburbs it would all be about swimming pools and cycle paths and thought nah. I actually wanted to be able to make a difference

    I have tucked it away as a retirement option though. Worth $30k p.a.

    I have a secret lair you can rent while you plot your reign of Auckland.



  • These nutters are popping up all over the place standing in Dhb elections because decisions about fluoride are being taken out of the hands of local councils and given to Dhbs to lessen the risk of these cretins having a say . Unfortunately they are standing for election there now too.
    Conspiracy theorists also say fluoride is the main ingredient in Prozac which is why governments want it and Hitlers first act when taking power was to fluoridate the water to make the population more docile. And we all know how docile the Germans were after he took over.

    Mrs Jegga has a lot to do with local councils and reckons for everyone that wants to do something for their local community there's two that are there for ego or are borderline nuts. Most get reelected on name recognition alone rather than anything particularly noticeable .

    One way of getting people to pay attention to what these people get up to with your rates was an idea floated a few years ago of making councils put up on their website all their spending over $1000 so people could judge for themselves if they get value for money . I imagine people would be pretty ducked off if they knew where their money went , Len Brown super city were good for blowing cash on stuff like a $100000 curtain.

    A while ago I put up Tim Shadbolts paper about running a council on a shoestring , he wrote it after he'd kept the rates increase to 1% which was less than the inflation rate at the time . Most of it was pretty sound basic stuff to be honest .



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Flouride raring its head again:

    @Hooroo said in Flouride raring its head again:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback

    I was chatting with @Mokey on facebook around the time of the council election and was told off as I said I wasn't going to vote as I had no idea who any of them were or what they were pushing. (Matamata-Piako rather than Hamilton Council elections)

    You can easily see how these mickey mouse types get in.

    I am the same as you, I am a terrible local body constituent. I do think that the local papers do a poor job of covering them as well. I think the council should fund a pamphlet drop with just a blurb and policies for each candidate.

    Worth the cost IMO

    We got leaflets detailing each candidate, their policies etc for our Local Elections this year, I thought it would have been normal...obviously not.



  • @jegga said in Flouride raring its head again:

    A while ago I put up Tim Shadbolts paper about running a council on a shoestring , he wrote it after he'd kept the rates increase to 1% which was less than the inflation rate at the time . Most of it was pretty sound basic stuff to be honest .

    I'm a big fan of Shadbolt. Purely for his personality. They guy could rule until he dies I reckon. Spend a 1/4mil on lights that don't work! No dramams mate, you're allowed a couple of slip ups.



  • @Hooroo said in Flouride raring its head again:

    @jegga said in Flouride raring its head again:

    A while ago I put up Tim Shadbolts paper about running a council on a shoestring , he wrote it after he'd kept the rates increase to 1% which was less than the inflation rate at the time . Most of it was pretty sound basic stuff to be honest .

    I'm a big fan of Shadbolt. Purely for his personality. They guy could rule until he dies I reckon. Spend a 1/4mil on lights that don't work! No dramams mate, you're allowed a couple of slip ups.

    Same here, some of the stuff like sending out any council pamphlets on the cheapest photo copied paper possible is so obvious. Missed the fuck up with the lights, he's definitely allowed a couple of fuckups though.

    The guys 69 with a newborn kid, he was getting up a couple of times at night anyway I guess so not much will change there.



  • @Paekakboyz said in Flouride raring its head again:

    Can't recall the site but in the last local elections they'd surveyed all the folks standing asking for views on Fluoride and a range of other stuff. Agree 100% that voting for a person who "Wants to bring our community together and is passionate about people' tells you fuck all about their actual experience or views on stuff like this.

    We had one a while back who said she was passionate about youth health, her own six kids were absolutely feral and her efforts would have been spent closer to home. She got in anyway and promptly claimed for every allowance available to her.



  • The good dentists of Hamilton will be measuring up spaces to park up their new boats if this ever goes through



  • I posted this in the interesting reads thread yesterday

    http://thespinoff.co.nz/parenting/21-11-2016/the-tooth-hurts-an-interview-with-a-non-scary-dentist-about-looking-after-your-kids-teeth/

    When the tech becomes available we should load all of these dumpkopfs into a rocket and shoot them to Mars



  • @canefan said in Flouride raring its head again:

    When the tech becomes available we should load all of these dumpkopfs into a rocket and shoot them to Mars

    alt text

    "And our projections show you could fit all their useful brain matter into this rocket"



  • @canefan said in Flouride raring its head again:

    I posted this in the interesting reads thread yesterday

    http://thespinoff.co.nz/parenting/21-11-2016/the-tooth-hurts-an-interview-with-a-non-scary-dentist-about-looking-after-your-kids-teeth/

    When the tech becomes available we should load all of these dumpkopfs into a rocket and shoot them to Mars

    Haha love it

    Is fluoride a secret tool of the government designed to turn us into sheeple?

    Fluoride is a safe, cheap and effective way of strengthening teeth for people of all walks of life. If it is a way of controlling our minds then it doesnโ€™t work very well because people hate on the government all day every day.

    Why do people believe that fluoride is evil?

    It was a plotline in the movie Doctor Strangelove that people latched onto! There have been no studies, literally zero, that show any major health issues with toothpaste or water when fluoridated to appropriate levels. I think the people who believe that think theyโ€™ve uncovered some sort of secret global conspiracy, much like the other idiots who are against vaccines and other proven science. They are fools who should be sent to Mars to stop scaring other people.



  • As a kid who grew up with rainwater, my teeth are significantly less healthy than my kids who grew up on town water.

    Part of that is my shit brushing. But part of it is a lack of flouride.



  • @NTA said in Flouride raring its head again:

    As a kid who grew up with rainwater, my teeth are significantly less healthy than my kids who grew up on town water.

    Part of that is my shit brushing. But part of it is a lack of flouride.

    Same here, I spend an extortionate amount every year on my teeth every year. Tank water and being lazy too.



  • gah fuck! the flouride debate!! A few years ago the Qld government, in their infinite wisdom, delegated this responsibility to individual councils. Cairns' council promptly got rid of it. Because they were fucking idiots.

    Putting the flouride back in has now been flagged. I believe the state government will pay for it. But of course, because it's a council matter, this has become a fucking public debate. Letters to the editor every fucking day is full of outright lies about poisoning the water; neurotoxin; just be better parents; stop drinking softdrink; in my day... my fucking blood boils. Every single reply from actual medical professionals is shouted down with winger-esque conspiracy talk, and links to bogus studies.

    A group of 150 local doctors, dentists, and professors from the local uni put together a submission detailing the benefits of flouride in the water, and debunking all the myths. The fucking council over-rode their own fucking procedures and basically dismissed the submission as not important enough to be entered in to the "debate"

    The loud vocal hippy minority fuckwits are going to win, because the Council are too fucking scared to make a stand. Fuck these fluffybunnies. What happened to critical thought, and why is no one capable of it any more.



  • As a Hamiltonian who did vote in the local body elections, I'm not taking any responsibility for this. ๐Ÿ˜‡

    I live on the other side of the river so I am in a different ward, and wouldn't have voted for her anyway. She only got elected once the mayoral vote was finalised as she was the next highest polling candidate in the west ward.

    This article is on the front page of the local newspaper so will get some traction. There is a lady (I won't mention her name) who is a very vocal leader of the anti-flouride cause and is regularly trying to get attention. Henry is obviously another nutjob like her.

    And as someone with a scientific background - fuck you!! ๐Ÿ˜ก



  • Siggi?! What a stupid fucking name, I bet she rides to work on a fucking bycycle, doesn't own a car or a tv and believes in chemtrails and that cellphones cause brain cancer.



  • @canefan said in Flouride raring its head again:

    The good dentists of Hamilton will be measuring up spaces to park up their new boats if this ever goes through

    Fuck it, why should only Tron dentists cash in on their inhabitants' stupidity? I think I will open up a branch practice in the middle of town! ๐Ÿ˜‰



  • @canefan said in Flouride raring its head again:

    @canefan said in Flouride raring its head again:

    The good dentists of Hamilton will be measuring up spaces to park up their new boats if this ever goes through

    Fuck it, why should only Tron dentists cash in on their inhabitants' stupidity? I think I will open up a branch practice in the middle of town! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Stanc for your own Council on a ticket of non-flouridation.



  • @booboo said in Flouride raring its head again:

    @canefan said in Flouride raring its head again:

    @canefan said in Flouride raring its head again:

    The good dentists of Hamilton will be measuring up spaces to park up their new boats if this ever goes through

    Fuck it, why should only Tron dentists cash in on their inhabitants' stupidity? I think I will open up a branch practice in the middle of town! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Stanc for your own Council on a ticket of non-flouridation.

    There's a conflict of interest, and besides I don't want to be a money grabbing scumbag, there are a few of those in our profession sadly. Besides who wants to sit in meetings with those beatniks?



  • I reckon they should acid to the water supply - shut the fucking hippies up.

    But then I am a child of the 60's Peace love and moonbeams maaaan



  • idiocracy just looks more and more prescient.



  • Dogmeat, you have an obligation to stand with a platform like that. You'd get my vote!



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Flouride raring its head again:

    People.. including myself.. generally have no idea what local politicians stand for.

    True. In Siggi's case, she's been bombarding the Letters to the Editor for years with this sort of stuff. It's seven years since I lived in the Tron but I remember her far too well...





  • Note: there are many places where this could apply. I have, judiciously, chosen to place it here.



  • Smarty pants scientists.
    That alone makes me want to throat punch the woman.

    And FUCK STUFF for giving braindead fuckfaces a platform when they should instead be used for paint gun testing.

    Also, it kills me when actual smart people don't vote. That is how happy clappy weirdos with shitty agendas get elected. With my voting papers I got a full page bio for each candidate outlining their background, quals, focus etc, so assumed each district did the same.


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