Black Caps vs Bangles



  • ODI squad named.

    New Zealand ODI squad: Kane Williamson (captain), Martin Guptill, Tom Latham, Neil Broom, Jimmy Neesham, Colin Munro, Luke Ronchi, Colin de Grandhomme, Mitchell Santner, Tim Southee, Matt Henry, Lockie Ferguson, Trent Boult.

    Out: Henry Nicholls, BJ Watling, Todd Astle.

    In: Neil Broom, Luke Ronchi.

    Broom - probably a good selection. Let's hope he can pull a Grant Elliot.

    Ronchi - I think I said on the other thread that I'd recall him for Watling.

    Astle - presumably didn't impress in the nets.

    The somewhat surprise for me is Ferguson being retained. He looked like he had a lot to work on to me - not least getting a consistent run-up. However, pace is always exciting and a point of different for the Bangles.



  • Anyone see the 20/20 yesterday between Welly and Canty? Ronchi was massive.



  • Where's Taylor?



  • @ACT-Crusader At home in Hamilton. 😃

    IIRC he's out for 4-6 weeks post eye op.



  • Neil Broom? Fecking hell... thats a staggeringly big "we have nothing" when they are playing the Bangles in NZ, where they will be awful, and rather than blooding a couple of 19 year olds we are drafting in a 33 year old who has never worked & a 37 year old who had one good period of about 6 months...

    I'm assuming Justin Vaughan, Dimi Mascaranes & Craig McMillian are overseeing our youth development program.



  • @gollum said in Black Caps vs Bangles:

    Neil Broom? Fecking hell... thats a staggeringly big "we have nothing" when they are playing the Bangles in NZ, where they will be awful, and rather than blooding a couple of 19 year olds we are drafting in a 33 year old who has never worked & a 37 year old who had one good period of about 6 months...

    I'm assuming Justin Vaughan, Dimi Mascaranes & Craig McMillian are overseeing our youth development program.

    No, they are busy training themselves because it looks like they may be next in line for selection.



  • I'm just glad nicholls is gone..



  • Not the most inspiring team selctions overall....but hey it's against the bangies who will get murdered



  • Broom! As the late great Martin Crowe once said after he was dismissed.. "get back in the closet!". Didn't think I'd see him back in the team. Stop-gap measure that I'm not sure we need against the Bangles. Should give the kid @hydro11 mentioned in the other thread a crack (name escapes me).



  • @No-Quarter How much do you know about the other kid to claim NZ should give him a run instead of Broom if you don't even recall his name? Genuine question, have you ever seen the other kid bat?



  • @Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs Bangles:

    @No-Quarter How much do you know about the other kid to claim NZ should give him a run instead of Broom if you don't even recall his name? Genuine question, have you ever seen the other kid bat?

    Nah, but I've seen his record and heard from another respected poster that he looks good, which is more then enough reason (for me) to give him a go over a washed up guy that we KNOW is not up to international cricket.

    Tom Bruce is his name.

    http://m.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/707113.html



  • Tom Bruce does look really good.

    But I Be weary of pumping him on stats (yet). If you look into his List A record by ground you will see he averages about single figures at grounds with proper boundaries.

    His good record and amazing strike rate is currently entirely from knocks at EPOO and Pukekura Park. Which have 50m boundaries.

    He does look genuinely good at all forms IMO, but his white ball record at the moment has a small boundary caveat attached to his body of work.



  • So has anyone on here actually seen him play or is everyone going off stats? He could have the world's shittest technique for all we know.



  • @Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps vs Bangles:

    So has anyone on here actually seen him play or is everyone going off stats? He could have the world's shittest technique for all we know.

    Yes. He is good. Only watched him in the video scorecards, or in full in the televised t20s (tiny boundaries)

    Potential international.

    As with all NZ young batsmen, the unknown is v spin. In the long form.

    As a white ball player, I would like to see him in games where there isn't a get out of jail pressure release just 50m away. To get a better gauge.



  • Tom Bruce had one of the stranger debut's in domestic cricket history. He came out with the score at 101/4 and ended up top scoring in a domestic one day semi final with 88 runs.

    "Little-known TC Bruce, playing his first competitive game at domestic level, slammed 88 off 65 balls to propel Central Districts to a 49-run victory against Otago in New Plymouth, and set up a finals clash against Auckland on February 1.

    Not much about Bruce is common knowledge at present - not his age, not his place of birth, not his previous cricket pedigree, and not his playing style - but he came out at No. 5 for Central Districts and hit half a dozen sixes and five fours to lift his team to 252 before they were dismissed in 48.1 overs."

    This is perhaps his most memorable inning

    s. It is at Pukekura Park and many of those would have been caught at another ground. However, you can see that he has tremendous power. The bowler, Jamieson, was bowling poorly but he is seen as one of our best young fast bowlers.

    I think Bruce will probably get a go in the T20's at some point. Bruce probably isn't an ideal replacement for Taylor. I think Bruce is probably competing with Munro - we also have Anderson who can do that role and bowl a bit. I was surprised at the selection of Broom. We should be trying to build our team for the 2019 World Cup. I doubt Broom or Ronchi will be there. However, Broom is apparently a good player of spin, has a good domestic record over the past 3 seasons and looked good against Boult, Southee and Santner today. Bangladesh seemed a good chance to give some young player a go.

    Whether or not Bruce is good enough to play international cricket - well, you don't really know until you pick him.



  • Bruce is a proper genuine bat with good technique.

    He shouldn't be type cast as a white ball bashed because he has a currently high career strike rate.

    He might be a good white ball basher, but he's definitely a contender for a Taylor replacement, he's also a contender (and maybe current front runner) for the test 5 if Nicholls gets dropped (or maybe they will go with elevating Neesham).



  • Speak of the devil.

    I see Bruce had a very good t20 knock today on a proper sized ground.

    http://scoring.blackcaps.co.nz/livescoring/match4220/scorecard.aspx



  • @Rapido said in Black Caps vs Bangles:

    Speak of the devil.

    I see Bruce had a very good t20 knock today on a proper sized ground.

    http://scoring.blackcaps.co.nz/livescoring/match4220/scorecard.aspx

    Is that Wellington team allowed to field using mobility scooters?

    I guess these are the guys who have delivered one title to the capital in ten years, so they should be stuck with at all costs.

    Where's James Franklin? He must be injured (or crippled with the arthritis) or surely he'd be playing instead of this Gulbis bloke, who seems to lack the requisite experience.



  • Franklin is an English pro now.



  • Whatever happens we'll hammer them in all forms and fans will get a false sense of where they stand in the cricketing world before being beaten into submission in a mid year overseas tour.

    Classic 'rinse and repeat' Black Caps really!



  • The annoying thing for me is they give Watling 3 games against Aussie, in Aussie, to see if he is good enough to play as he ODI keeper. Shockingly he is shit against the best ODI pace unit around on their own tracks (as is everyone else).

    Now we are facing a terrible touring unit, with a bowling side utterly unsuited to NZ conditions and we call up Ronchi. To learn what? That he can smash 7 shades of shit out of that attack on home pitches? We could have either stuck with Wating & if he can't score runs v the Bangles then he's done in the ODI game, or given a very gentle 1st cap to some 21 year old guy& actually learned something.

    Same with Broom, WTF will we learn from him playing? That he is OK at home v a bowling unit not quite as good as Northern Districts?



  • In IPL news Colin Munro, Corey Anderson, Trent Boult & Marty Guptil just got shitcanned -

    Kane & Baz keep their gigs obviously.



  • Strange that Guptill always struggles to get contacts in the IPL. He's one of the best players going around in the short forms. I'd actually take him over Kane in T20s...



  • Guptill isn't so good in the sub continent. There are also lots of big hitters around the T20 world. Kane is rarer in that he can maintain a good strike rate by finding gaps and keeping the strike ticking over.



  • @Rapido First time seeing Bruce on TV tonight. He might have talent but he looked like a slogger in this format, and was very uncomfortable with the short ball. In comparison Clarkson was striking the ball so sweetly.

    In Mitch we trust!



  • @Bovidae said in Black Caps vs Bangles:

    @Rapido First time seeing Bruce on TV tonight. He might have talent but he looked like a slogger in this format, and was very uncomfortable with the short ball. In comparison Clarkson was striking the ball so sweetly.

    In Mitch we trust!

    Yeah. He looked too leg side reliant, and trying to overhit everything.

    Wonder if that was bowling plans base on a bit more knowledge.
    Don't know enough.
    But wasn't very impressive.

    His batting partner Young, who I've always rated, looked a better bet as he has scoring options 360 degrees. But even he was looking a bit scratchy.

    Young, who I think is the best young uncapped bat in the country has had a poor start to the season (when the field is wide open) and assume he's not currently in close contention. He's not outperforming Nicholls. Plus he needs to sort out his flemesque conversion rate at this lower level before higher honours in the red ball stuff.



  • Give Bruce a go.. Taylor was a sweep slogging machine.. I still rated him highly even back then but it took a while before he was given a shot..



  • @MN5 said in Black Caps vs Bangles:

    Whatever happens we'll hammer them in all forms and fans will get a false sense of where they stand in the cricketing world before being beaten into submission in a mid year overseas tour.

    Classic 'rinse and repeat' Black Caps really!

    We play both Aussie and SA at home this summer don't we? No need to wait to go overseas or for mid year



  • Gone with only 5 bowling options today which is a departure from what we normally do



  • Pretty reasonable start for us. 66/1 after 12.



  • Jeez @Damo. Shuddup shaddup shaddup.

    Kane gooorne.

    And it's ALL YOUR FAULT!

    🙂



  • 79 for 2

    Broom in.



  • 88 for 2 off 17

    5.4 per over



  • Damn. Can't move from couch. Christmas kittens have decided that my ample err waist is comfy place to sleep off breakfast ... have to stay here now. Would be rude to wake them.

    Latham puts one over the rope and its 97 for 2 off 18.

    Boxing Day test starting on the other channel...



  • Hundy up

    Starc starts with an ODI legside wide



  • @booboo said in Black Caps vs Bangles:

    Hundy up

    Starc starts with an ODI legside wide

    Remote overheating ...



  • @booboo said in Black Caps vs Bangles:

    Jeez @Damo. Shuddup shaddup shaddup.

    Kane gooorne.

    And it's ALL YOUR FAULT!

    🙂

    I'm unrepentant. Going along nicely at 107/2. We can't rely on Williamson every time.



  • Nelson for 2 after 20



  • @Damo the reverse jinx. It worked so well against the Pakis ...

    As Sky play a montage to the sound of Wham! RIP George.



  • @Damo see you nearly did it again.

    Broom dropped. A sitter.

    Fiddy up for young Thomas


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