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@aucklandwarlord said in Universal income:
Two weeks later they ran a story about how he was adjusting well but the poor guy had to sleep on the floor the first night because his bed was so soft compared to sleeping on the ground. Super heart warming, warm fuzzy stuff right there
Should have just given him a swag. About $400 for decent canvas and not-too-thick foam mattress. Don't want him to feel uncomfortable.
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Best option surely is to steralize everyone at birth & then you apply to have it reversed later. And the system checks your tax records, run your drug & booze records via your implanted monitors (also put in at birth), check your BMI etc. You get all green your fetility gets turned on & you get an massive enhanced UI for 5 years post kid.
Alternately just put some GM shit in McDonalds meaning you eat there more than twice a week you go sterile.
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Idiocracy. Iceland detecting reduction in the genes for education. IE people capable of learning breeding less.
Re jobs being destroyed by robotics & AI & new ones created, best I've seen re that said that people think this is like when cars replaced horse drawn carts & the jobs driving the the carts went & were replaced with jobs driving trucks & taxis & so on.
Missing the point that this time we are not the cart drivers. We are the horses.
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@gollum said in Universal income:
Best option surely is to steralize everyone at birth & then you apply to have it reversed later. And the system checks your tax records, run your drug & booze records via your implanted monitors (also put in at birth), check your BMI etc. You get all green your fetility gets turned on & you get an massive enhanced UI for 5 years post kid.
Alternately just put some GM shit in McDonalds meaning you eat there more than twice a week you go sterile.
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Idiocracy. Iceland detecting reduction in the genes for education. IE people capable of learning breeding less.
Re jobs being destroyed by robotics & AI & new ones created, best I've seen re that said that people think this is like when cars replaced horse drawn carts & the jobs driving the the carts went & were replaced with jobs driving trucks & taxis & so on.
Missing the point that this time we are not the cart drivers. We are the horses.
Seems alright to me...
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DETROIT (WWJ) – According to a new report, 47 percent of Detroiters are “functionally illiterate.” The alarming new statistics were released by the Detroit Regional Workforce Fund on Wednesday.
WWJ Newsradio 950 spoke with the Fund’s Director, Karen Tyler-Ruiz, who explained exactly what this means.
“Not able to fill out basic forms, for getting a job — those types of basic everyday (things). Reading a prescription; what’s on the bottle, how many you should take… just your basic everyday tasks,” she said.
“I don’t really know how they get by, but they do. Are they getting by well? Well, that’s another question,” Tyler-Ruiz said.
Some of the Detroit suburbs also have high numbers of functionally illiterate: 34 percent in Pontiac and 24 percent in Southfield.
“For other major urban areas, we are a little bit on the high side… We compare, slightly higher, to Washington D.C.’s urban population, in certain ZIP codes in Washington D.C. and in Cleveland,” she said.
I'm not even sure we are horses now....
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Funny this thread popped up. I read an article just the other day about how the Finland Universal Income experiment turned out.
I’ll try and find it and post a link but basically the outcome boiled down to “didn’t make anyone more or less productive but they were all much happier”. -
@Crucial said in Universal income:
Funny this thread popped up. I read an article just the other day about how the Finland Universal Income experiment turned out.
I’ll try and find it and post a link but basically the outcome boiled down to “didn’t make anyone more or less productive but they were all much happier”.I read a bit about that , I’m not 100% sure they actually tested it long enough. The Alaskan model might be more relevant as a test case because it’s been going almost 40 years now .
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@gollum we have a huge problem in NZ (not unique to us or Detroit though) of people who don't have a 'decent' (say basic 5th form or level 1 NCEA reading/writing/math for a general point of comparison) level of literacy or numeracy. Approx 1 million people at or below that level, which is massive given the gaps that means in being able to do everyday stuff, let alone advance in education, career, vocational training etc.
The only big change I've seen in and around this area of work was 5-10 years ago they were saying the really basic jobs were going (due to tech/AI etc), but now they seem to talk more about entry level/middle tier jobs going faster than any other segment. I guess we are also seeing some new areas where jobs are developing alongside the tech changes, rather than it being all replacements.
Will check out that UBI vid. Had totally missed that Alaska has been running a test case for nearly 40 years!
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@Rembrandt said in Universal income:
I honestly don't understand how it can possibly work. If everyone has more money that money is then of less value, simple economics isn't it or am I missing something?
Not if the demand for that money grows as well eg more shops/businesses
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@Paekakboyz said in Universal income:
@gollum we have a huge problem in NZ (not unique to us or Detroit though) of people who don't have a 'decent' (say basic 5th form or level 1 NCEA reading/writing/math for a general point of comparison) level of literacy or numeracy. Approx 1 million people at or below that level, which is massive given the gaps that means in being able to do everyday stuff, let alone advance in education, career, vocational training etc.
The only big change I've seen in and around this area of work was 5-10 years ago they were saying the really basic jobs were going (due to tech/AI etc), but now they seem to talk more about entry level/middle tier jobs going faster than any other segment. I guess we are also seeing some new areas where jobs are developing alongside the tech changes, rather than it being all replacements.
Will check out that UBI vid. Had totally missed that Alaska has been running a test case for nearly 40 years!
Dunno if he still posts mate. That was from 2017
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ha ha I just totally whooshed myself.
And I'd just come from the old posters thread too.
ha ha what a numnuts
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@Rembrandt said in Universal income:
I honestly don't understand how it can possibly work. If everyone has more money that money is then of less value, simple economics isn't it or am I missing something?
It’s worth listening to , he explains it well ,
He makes a good point about what might have happened if they had of bailed out home owners rather than the banks .
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How much are they talking here? Enough for a mortgage, car, kids, holiday etc? Isn't it really just the dole on steroids?
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Arent looser borders and a universal basic income mutually exclusive?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Universal income:
How much are they talking here? Enough for a mortgage, car, kids, holiday etc? Isn't it really just the dole on steroids?
I recommend the video, the guy has thought it through. He goes through the figures early on.
The answer is $1000 per month.
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@jegga said in Universal income:
@Rembrandt said in Universal income:
I honestly don't understand how it can possibly work. If everyone has more money that money is then of less value, simple economics isn't it or am I missing something?
It’s worth listening to , he explains it well ,
He makes a good point about what might have happened if they had of bailed out home owners rather than the banks .
I found it terrifying to be honest. Very interesting video.
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@Kirwan said in Universal income:
@jegga said in Universal income:
@Rembrandt said in Universal income:
I honestly don't understand how it can possibly work. If everyone has more money that money is then of less value, simple economics isn't it or am I missing something?
It’s worth listening to , he explains it well ,
He makes a good point about what might have happened if they had of bailed out home owners rather than the banks .
I found it terrifying to be honest. Very interesting video.
That’s how I felt too .
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@Kirwan Yep, he describes another impending catastrophe which politicians don't want to talk about.
This information age of the internet sure does expose a lot of nefarious leadership to a population (us) that put a lot of trust into a system and way of life that's looking increasingly less sustainable
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