Ferners in London







  • There have been stories of people jumping off the bridge. Into the Thames FFS! Have you seen how that mutha flows? Of course may be apocryphal but certainly there has been one woman pulled out of the river. Alive thankfully, but if she did jump in, Darwin has been robbed of a candidate.

    The reports are referring to it as being treated as a terrorist attack but a lone perp with a knife only (as reported at this time). Points to nut job but we will see.



  • @Catogrande said in Ferners in London:

    There have been stories of people jumping off the bridge. Into the Thames FFS! Have you seen how that mutha flows? Of course may be apocryphal but certainly there has been one woman pulled out of the river. Alive thankfully, but if she did jump in, Darwin has been robbed of a candidate.

    I honestly don't see how you could say that. If you think you're in a life or death situation, generally the first thought of escape is the one you will take.

    If some one came at me with a knife and I thought I was in trouble, I wouldn't think twice about hoisting into the river



  • @Hooroo said in Ferners in London:

    @Catogrande said in Ferners in London:

    There have been stories of people jumping off the bridge. Into the Thames FFS! Have you seen how that mutha flows? Of course may be apocryphal but certainly there has been one woman pulled out of the river. Alive thankfully, but if she did jump in, Darwin has been robbed of a candidate.

    I honestly don't see how you could say that. If you think you're in a life or death situation, generally the first thought of escape is the one you will take.

    If some one came at me with a knife and I thought I was in trouble, I wouldn't think twice about hoisting into the river

    Yep... I'd been thinking that one through, and there's not many places to go on the bridge with a 4WD coming at you and presumably traffic nearby... not sure how deep it is, but if I was by myself and the 4WD was getting too close I'd be lining it up too. Goodness knows what you do if you have the kids with you though...



  • Fuck. Hope friend and family of the UK Fern crew are ok.



  • there is a Facebook thing that people can click and it sends an alert to all their friends saying they are ok...I got one saying a Ferner in London is ok.

    Just horrific, very little you can do to prepare for an attack using a vehicle as your weapon on a normal road.



  • Rest easy peeps. I'm still here.



  • You've got to be pretty unlucky odds wise to get caught up in an isolated incident like this but thanks for the thoughts.
    I work in E1 hipsterville where the worst thing someone could do is remove all the beard grooming oil from the shelves so nowhere near this. The missus had her building in lockdown though for a while and the cops where out in force all over target spots like train stations carrying the big toys.
    I just treat the possibility of this as being aware so you notice anything as soon as possible and get the fuck out of the area as quick as you can.



  • This isn't a terror attack and it's piss poor of everybody - journo's, media, PM's who are labelling this it.

    It's a nutjob. Nutjobs have always existed and always will. Long after terrorist organisation have been wiped out, nutjobs will still be there.

    Every shitty little fucking thing that happens shouldn't be credited to these fuckheads.



  • @MajorRage said in Ferners in London:

    This isn't a terror attack and it's piss poor of everybody - journo's, media, PM's who are labelling this it.

    It's a nutjob. Nutjobs have always existed and always will. Long after terrorist organisation have been wiped out, nutjobs will still be there.

    Every shitty little fucking thing that happens shouldn't be credited to these fuckheads.

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  • @MajorRage said in Ferners in London:

    This isn't a terror attack and it's piss poor of everybody - journo's, media, PM's who are labelling this it.

    It's a nutjob. Nutjobs have always existed and always will. Long after terrorist organisation have been wiped out, nutjobs will still be there.

    Every shitty little fucking thing that happens shouldn't be credited to these fuckheads.

    To be fair, the Acting Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police referred to it as a terrorist attack. I guess that makes it official, doesn't it?



  • well it would meet the definition of terrorism?

    the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

    Of course we don't know the reasons...



  • Or it could be that these organisations seek out mentally ill/mentally weak people and get them to do their dirty work?



  • @JC Not really the point I'm making honestly.

    Bloomberg news has written right in front of me on their ticker "Attacker assumed to be influenced by international terrorism " & "suspect Islamist-related terrorism".

    Which means immediately the likes of ISIS etc have some justifiable right to claim / own etc.



  • @MajorRage Well as long as Bloomberg is correcting the Acting Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police...

    I wonder if the perpetrator was known to police for his charitable acts before this awful accident?



  • @jegga said in Ferners in London:

    Or it could be that these organisations seek out mentally ill/mentally weak people and get them to do their dirty work?

    Sadly it'll be that on top of everything else that the swines in those organisations do...



  • @jegga said in Ferners in London:

    Or it could be that these organisations seek out mentally ill/mentally weak people and get them to do their dirty work?

    The internet is perfect for this



  • @Bones said in Ferners in London:

    Rest easy peeps. I'm still here.

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  • @antipodean Still not the point.

    Anyway, nothing else really to be commenting on until more facts come to hand. .



  • I think calling it a terrorist attack these days just means it was undertaken by an islamic extremist. The melbourne bourke st killer wasn't categorised as a terrorist even though in effect they both killed people and caused terror in much a similar way. To be fair when someone says terrorist I immediately think of islamic extremist so I'm happy with how they are labelling it. Kinda like an article about an unexpected death followed by a link to lifeline which means suicide because we aren't supposed to say exactly what it was.

    Whether this guy was a lone nut or put up to it by other fuckheads will get investigated. I personally don't think a lone nut killing people in the name of allah should be differentiated from a group of nuts doing the same thing.

    Just glad the fluffybunny is dead though and won't be a further waste on society.



  • @Rembrandt I do wonder if calling it a terrorist attack, even if there are no apparent links (at this stage) makes it easier for people to accept rather than some nutter went on a rampage and caused terror...



  • @taniwharugby I don't really buy the whole 'links with terrorism' thing. Isis arent a super organised bunch in the west, this is no doubt due to the inevitable trail they would end up leaving which intelligence would find. I think they primarily rely on finding sympathisers via social media. These sympathisers may band together and create groups which may then lead to recruitment to the group but not specifically isis. In my mind they're not linked to Isis but they are still islamic terrorists just by the fact that they are using a literal interpretation of the qu'ran to insight terror. No doubt isis will claim them and why not?, there is a good chance they inspired them. I don't think it very likely isis can send funds or weapons to the uk so this in effect is as isis as it gets.
    Different media but they were very careful not to call the melbourne guy a terrorist and you're right that was much harder for people to accept.



  • There was an article in the New Yorker (I think) recently that outlined how most of these so-called "lone wolves" are heavily encouraged and supported by ISIS.



  • @MajorRage Yes, but it's like pointing out water is wet. Of course they're mentally ill, sane people don't do what they do.





  • Did I miss the memo where it was decided that if it is only 1 person it is no longer terrorism?



  • Maybe they are like the leftie who sits next to me at work whose first reaction is "Ooh, I hope they don't call it terrorism because some Indians and some other vaguely similar looking brown people might get called names."



  • I clearly missed the memo where one guy doing it in Melbourne is reported very different to one guy doing it in London.



  • @MajorRage said in Ferners in London:

    I clearly missed the memo where one guy doing it in Melbourne is reported very different to one guy doing it in London.

    Because reasons.

    Fucked up piston wristed gibbon upset with his Mrs.

    Fucked up piston wristed gibbon wanting to strike a blow in the name of Islam.

    Hmmm ... I wonder why they are reported differently. Maybe because they are different?



  • @booboo both situations have the same outcome. Both situations are caused by people who are fucked in the head.

    One gets cast off as a yobbo whose a moron. The other will cause countless hours of increased anxiety across billions of people, upping of border controls, changes in the stance of the way certain people are viewed, and probably endorsement of some of the most vilified policies in the last 50 years in the largest superpower in the world.

    All because of incidents which are pretty similar, with a similar victim count.

    Because reasons.



  • @MajorRage said in Ferners in London:

    @booboo both situations have the same outcome. Both situations are caused by people who are fucked in the head.

    One gets cast off as a yobbo whose a moron. The other will cause countless hours of increased anxiety across billions of people, upping of border controls, changes in the stance of the way certain people are viewed, and probably endorsement of some of the most vilified policies in the last 50 years in the largest superpower in the world.

    All because of incidents which are pretty similar, with a similar victim count.

    Because reasons.

    No because reasons matter.

    Context matter.

    What doesn't matter is how many attackers there are or the mental state. I assume basically everyone who muders a bunch of innocents is mentally ill.



  • The secret why one is considered terrorism is hidden in the definition of terrorism...



  • I think the original point I was trying to make has been well and truly lost ...

    I just looked up the definition of terrorism, and I guess it makes the rest of you right, and me wrong.

    So I'll concede on that front.

    Still fucks me off though the way people are quick to jump on use of the word terrorism, KNOWING use of it creates such high anxiety in a large part of the world. I'd prefer people are pointed out as nutjobs. As ultimately, all terrorists (by definition of the world) are nutjobs.



  • @MajorRage like @Rembrandt alludes to above, mention terrorism and most associate it with ISIS, Boko Haram, Al Queda or simply Islam when in reality terrorism has a wider definition in the true sense.



  • @MajorRage I get your point and I agree to some extent. I think in this case the terrorism name came from an official source which legitimises its use. I wouldn't be surprised if certain media outlets were calling him that before it was official. I know during the melbourne attack there was some mention of it being terrorism but not from mainstream media. I have to admit during that time I immediately jumped on the terrorism angle based mainly on the foiled terror plot here just a few weeks earlier, I was wrong there.

    Now whether the MSM in its current decline will stick to using the correct terms is another story...



  • @MajorRage sorry if I came across a bit harsh before. But just so we all know I googled the definition too.

    "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

    So it's essentially where there are political aims.

    Hence the difference between Melbourne and this thing in London.



  • @booboo said in Ferners in London:

    @MajorRage sorry if I came across a bit harsh before. But just so we all know I googled the definition too.

    "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

    So it's essentially where there are political aims.

    Hence the difference between Melbourne and this thing in London.

    There's another definition too. The purpose of terrorism is to terrorise.

    Without going down the route of this attack is or isn't terrorism, a group such as ISIS would be happy to claim responsibility as it increases terror. Similarly they would be happy to offer support, encouragement etc to any nutcase that shows signs of being willing to commit acts such as this.

    No doubt we will learn more as things progress. The breaking news is that there have been seven arrests in relation to this act, so maybe more than just a simple nutcase.

    A further indication of relying too much on information (hearsay?) in the immediate aftermath was my previous comments abut people allegedly jumping into the river. Having seen what this whacko did, it is not surprising. Basically he was speeding all the way down the pavement along Westminster Bridge scattering people left and right.

    Video of it on the Beeb.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39359874



  • Apparently another 6 arrests have been made. Perp was known to police.



  • I work about half a mile from where it happened, and next to fairly large police station. A lot more officers and vehicles outside there this morning coming into work. Parliament is (unsurprisingly) one of the most heavily policed places in the country; I walked past there last week and there are cops with machine guns wandering about everywhere. Just goes to show how hard it is to defend against attacks like this.


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