Chiefs v Crusaders (Suva)



  • BNZ Crusaders team to play the Chiefs

    The BNZ Crusaders will play the Chiefs in Suva, Fiji this Friday night. Head Coach Scott Robertson has made just two changes to the team that beat the Hurricanes last week.

    Captain Sam Whitelock returns at lock, replacing the injured Scott Barrett, and halfbacks Mitchell Drummond and Bryn Hall rotate so that Hall takes the starting spot this week.

    The sight of Fijian-born uncle and nephew, Seta Tamanivalu and Manasa Mataele, storming down the wing will no doubt be something that the local fans are looking forward to. Kick-off at Suva's International Stadium is at 7:35pm this Friday night.

    CRUSADERS team to play the Chiefs:

    1 Joe Moody, 2. Codie Taylor, 3. Owen Franks, 4. Luke Romano, 5. Sam Whitelock (C), 6. Pete Samu, 7. Matt Todd (VC), 8. Jordan Taufua
    9 Bryn Hall, 10. Richie Mo'unga, 11. George Bridge, 12. Ryan Crotty (VC), 13. Jack Goodhue, 14. Seta Tamanivalu, 15. David Havili

    RESERVES
    16 Ben Funnell, 17. Wyatt Crockett, 18. Michael Alaalatoa, 19. Quinten Strange, 20. Heiden Bedwell-Curtis, 21. Mitchell Drummond, 22. Mitchell Hunt, 23. Manasa Mataele

    Looks like good news for Todd: he's in the line-up, so no concussion.



  • Hmmm...Ngatai is listed as unavailable this week so is not in the 23.



  • Gallagher Chiefs team named to play the BNZ Crusaders in tropical contest

    The balmy climate of Suva, Fiji is an apt venue for this Friday evenings Round 13 Investec Super Rugby fixture between the Gallagher Chiefs and the BNZ Crusaders. It was at the same ANZ Stadium in Suva that these top two-placed New Zealand teams last met, with the Gallagher Chiefs fending off their southern foes 23-13 in a spirited contest in July 2016.

    Gallagher Chiefs head coach Dave Rennie has named a formidable line-up to face the Crusaders for the first time this season. It features five changes to the starting fifteen that defeated the Reds 46-17 in New Plymouth in Round 11.

    There’s just one change in the forwards with Nathan Harris making his first start of the year at hooker. 25-year-old Harris, who re-signed this week with the Gallagher Chiefs until 2019, made a welcome return to Super Rugby two weeks ago following a long injury layoff.

    There are four changes to the backs with co-captain Aaron Cruden returning to start at first five-eighth. Anton Lienert-Brown, who also re-signed with the Chiefs this week, moves to second five-eighth from centre. Sam McNicol is promoted from the bench to start in jersey 13 and Tim Nanai-Williams has fully recovered from a shoulder injury sustained against the Hurricanes in Round 3 to start on the right wing.

    The Gallagher Chiefs team to play the BNZ Crusaders at 7.35pm this Friday 19 May is:

    1. Kane Hames (18)

    2. Nathan Harris (24)

    3. Nepo Laulala (7)

    4. Dominic Bird (21)

    5. Brodie Retallick (80)

    6. Mitchell Brown (10)

    7. Sam Cane (co-captain) (89)

    8. Michael Leitch (30)

    9. Tawera Kerr-Barlow (76)

    10. Aaron Cruden (co-captain) (82)

    11. James Lowe (46)

    12. Anton Lienert-Brown (34)

    13. Sam McNicol (16)

    14. Tim Nanai-Williams

    15. Damian McKenzie (43)

    RESERVES:

    1. Hika Elliot (114)

    2. Siegfried Fisi’ihoi (20)

    3. Atu Moli (20)

    4. Taleni Seu (27)

    5. Liam Messam (155)

    6. Jonathan Taumateine (4)

    7. Stephen Donald (98)

    8. Shaun Stevenson (17)

    () = Gallagher Chiefs caps in brackets

    Unavailable for selection: Brad Weber, Mitchell Graham, Glen Fisiiahi, Liam Polwart, Toni Pulu and Charlie Ngatai.



  • More on Dagg and Todd:

    Fullback/wing Israel Dagg, who played 40 minutes of club rugby last weekend to test the knee he injured against the Reds on March 11, travelled to Fiji but wasn't named in the match-day 23.
    
    Robertson said he wanted to give the All Black more exposure to trainings, allowing him to work on combinations after such a lengthy lay-off. This means Dagg will be hoping to play the Rebels and Highlanders, giving him the chance to impress the national selectors ahead of the test series against the British and Irish Lions.
    
    Openside flanker Matt Todd, who left the field last weekend because of concussion, will be monitored to ensure he is fully recovered and he has shown no ill-effects from the head knock.
    

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/92672509/sam-whitelock-returns-to-lead-crusaders-against-chiefs-in-suva





  • Yep, that one's a complete mystery.



  • that is not good at all!



  • @Tim I'm thinking it's to do with that facial tick.



  • After what he's been through with all his head knocks and concussion, I'm starting to wonder whether he should be playing at all. Playing rugby might not be worth the risk.



  • RS interviewed Rennie and they asked him and apparently after training Monday he said he had a headache so they made the decision to leave him behind then, whats worse is they reviewed game footage and could not find any sign of a knock



  • @taniwharugby Plus they had a bye last weekend, so if Rennie means this Monday that's more than a week after the game.



  • @taniwharugby said in Chiefs v Crusaders (Suva):

    RS interviewed Rennie and they asked him and apparently after training Monday he said he had a headache so they made the decision to leave him behind then, whats worse is they reviewed game footage and could not find any sign of a knock

    Same issue with Dane's headaches. I guess they can only trust in the protocols.



  • @KiwiMurph he did, as he said they were flying out the following day so had to make the decision then to leave him



  • They didn't look at footage from the game but from training.

    "We just don't know, we've checked footage but we couldn't see anything that happened at training that might have caused it.
    

    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2017/05/charlie-ngatai-suffering-from-concussion-symptoms-will-miss-crusaders-clash.html



  • This, and Coles' issue could well be over cautiousness and playing safely.
    FFS I can get a headache after doing something but it doesn't mean I have a head injury.
    Combine a headache with a known previous concussion and you play it carefully just in case they are related.
    They had to make a call on taking him and decided is was less disruptive to preparation if they didn't have the possibility of a late withdrawal. Fair call and I don't think it warrants people without the inside knowledge of the situation making judgement calls on his playing future



  • @Crucial I get headaches from dehydration.



  • @Crucial Who is making judgement calls in this thread?



  • @Stargazer said in Chiefs v Crusaders (Suva):

    @Crucial Who is making judgement calls in this thread?

    Openly wondering if he should be playing rugby at all?

    Certainly heading down that path.

    Apologies if that wasn't your intention but that's how it reads to me.



  • On paper, these two teams are very evenly matched. Young coaching tyros Razor and Rangi up against the old dogs Rennie and Keane.

    Should be pretty exciting, though recent history suggests the Chiefs will edge it.

    Be good to see recent history broken! πŸ™‚



  • @Crucial

    It was clearly not a rhetorical question. If I meant to suggest he should stop playing, I would have said so. Some people (definitely me) can just genuinely ask a question.



  • @Chris-B. The Crusaders are favourites of course as their record suggests. :πŸ˜‰

    Mike Fraser is the ref in an all-NZ crew.



  • @Bovidae Home game for the Chiefs and the Crusaders still ravaged by injuries? ...The only thing that gives me a slight amount of hope is that Hometown Jacko isn't reffing.

    Mind you, Mike Fraser, born in New Plymouth...that's nearly as good as getting Jacko! πŸ™‚



  • @Chris-B. said in Chiefs v Crusaders (Suva):

    @Bovidae Home game for the Chiefs and the Crusaders still ravaged by injuries? ...The only thing that gives me a slight amount of hope is that Hometown Jacko isn't reffing.

    Mind you, Mike Fraser, born in New Plymouth...that's nearly as good as getting Jacko! πŸ™‚

    Saders missing Read, S Barrett, Dagg, Ioane, not to mention McCaw, Carter, Ellis and Flynn.....



  • @ACT-Crusader At full strength, we'd thrash them.

    Mind you - at full strength we'd have half of their players! πŸ™‚



  • @ACT-Crusader said in Chiefs v Crusaders (Suva):

    @Chris-B. said in Chiefs v Crusaders (Suva):

    @Bovidae Home game for the Chiefs and the Crusaders still ravaged by injuries? ...The only thing that gives me a slight amount of hope is that Hometown Jacko isn't reffing.

    Mind you, Mike Fraser, born in New Plymouth...that's nearly as good as getting Jacko! πŸ™‚

    Saders missing Read, S Barrett, Dagg, Ioane, not to mention McCaw, Carter, Ellis and Flynn.....

    Aaron Flynn, no less



  • @Stargazer game/training I forgot they even had the bye



  • @Chris-B. said in Chiefs v Crusaders (Suva):

    @ACT-Crusader At full strength, we'd thrash them.

    Mind you - at full strength we'd have half of their players! πŸ™‚

    That's a slippery road for you to head down .... πŸ˜‰



  • @Nepia said in Chiefs v Crusaders (Suva):

    @Chris-B. said in Chiefs v Crusaders (Suva):

    @ACT-Crusader At full strength, we'd thrash them.

    Mind you - at full strength we'd have half of their players! πŸ™‚

    That's a slippery road for you to head down .... πŸ˜‰

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  • Saders are favourites all day long. Chiefs and the Canes are playing from the same book this year - messy, dumb, lots of mistakes, individual brilliance getting them through.

    Should be a fun game though. Hoping Cruds comes through OK as he may be important in the Lions series.



  • @No-Quarter I don't know. The Chiefs have a tight five that can hold their own against the Crusaders imo, unlike the Canes' front five.

    The Chiefs also have had the wood over the Crusaders in recent times so it will be interesting to see if the Crusaders can overcome any doubts that may exist.

    It will be tight.



  • @akan004 the Chiefs almost lost to the Sunwolves, at home. That's beyond embarrassing, I'm not convinced their tight 5 is that much better TBH - will be interesting to see how they go.



  • If the Saders can back up the forward performance from last week* then they should win pretty comfortably. But Cane and BBBT alone make that a much tougher ask.

    Still, the Crusaders look to be going from strength to strength. Bastards.

    *Still smarting over the reaming in the forwards last week. Was rather traumatizing.



  • @Rancid-Schnitzel said in Chiefs v Crusaders (Suva):

    If the Saders can back up the forward performance from last week* then they should win pretty comfortably. But Cane and BBBT alone make that a much tougher ask.

    Still, the Crusaders look to be going from strength to strength. Bastards.

    *Still smarting over the reaming in the forwards last week. Was rather traumatizing.

    It was pretty tough watching us lose lineout after lineout and scrum after scrum. Razor has them humming as a pack, they're really feeding off each other. Canes and Chiefs often look very disjointed by comparison.



  • @No-Quarter said in Chiefs v Crusaders (Suva):

    @akan004 the Chiefs almost lost to the Sunwolves, at home. That's beyond embarrassing, I'm not convinced their tight 5 is that much better TBH - will be interesting to see how they go.

    Granted they have been poor recently. On paper though, they are strong. Bird, BBBR, Hames, Harris and Laulala are not bad.



  • Our backs were superb defensively last week. However in attack they didn't finish off some of the good breaks made. Chiefs backs are very good and Lowe usually pulls out a big game against us. We'll have to defend just as hard as last week.

    I actually like Hall starting against the Chiefs.



  • @akan004 Exactly. On paper the Chiefs tight five rolling out this week is next level compared to what the Canes rolled out last week.



  • Still think Boshier deserves a shot at 7 - move Cane to 6, with Leitch at 8



  • @No-Quarter said in Chiefs v Crusaders (Suva):

    Saders are favourites all day long. Chiefs and the Canes are playing from the same book this year - messy, dumb, lots of mistakes, individual brilliance getting them through.

    Should be a fun game though. Hoping Cruds comes through OK as he may be important in the Lions series.

    Nah, not the same book. The Canes are thrashing the weak teams and looking like a bit of a mess against good teams, while the Chiefs seem to be playing at the same level as their opposition. I reckon (and fuckin hope) they'll be a very different looking team this weekend than what we've seen over the last couple months.

    The Saders are still favourites though, of course.

    Gutted over Ngatai. Really hope it's nothing and they're just being super cautious.



  • @akan004 said in Chiefs v Crusaders (Suva):

    @No-Quarter said in Chiefs v Crusaders (Suva):

    @akan004 the Chiefs almost lost to the Sunwolves, at home. That's beyond embarrassing, I'm not convinced their tight 5 is that much better TBH - will be interesting to see how they go.

    Granted they have been poor recently. On paper though, they are strong. Bird, BBBR, Hames, Harris and Laulala are not bad.

    Yeah fair point, on paper they look the goods. Playing as a pack is another matter though.



  • @Crash said in Chiefs v Crusaders (Suva):

    Still think Boshier deserves a shot at 7 - move Cane to 6, with Leitch at 8

    I like Boshier too but Mitchell Brown played really well against the Reds and offers another lineout option.


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