Americas Cup



  • Had a Quick look about and couldn't see a thread for it

    Kicks off proper this weekend and to be honest I didn't think I'd be as pumped as I am. Last time I was this pumped was before the first game of the black caps Tri series with Ireland and bangledesh

    Really interested to see how this racing pans out. Going to be so different to what we've seen before. These "boats" are quick and I can't see many of the races being that close at all but so hard to tell.



  • In full flight they look awesome, most are expecting a bit of carnage on the water.

    I'm not really into it, band Waggoner for sure, so will wait for the right time to jump on!



  • Yep me too - true band waggoner - love watching it - especially with the foiling, but most of the time I don't know what is going on.

    Was in San Fran during the louis vuitton and got to see Team NZ in action - amazing to see the boats up close.



  • I just read Team NZ is skippered by an Aussie? The fuck?



  • @mariner4life said in Americas Cup:

    I just read Team NZ is skippered by an Aussie? The fuck?

    Yeah Glenn Ashby? I get confused re skipper vs helmsmen (which is Burling). Is the skipper even on the boat?



  • @JK said in Americas Cup:

    @mariner4life said in Americas Cup:

    I just read Team NZ is skippered by an Aussie? The fuck?

    Yeah Glenn Ashby? I get confused re skipper vs helmsmen (which is Burling). Is the skipper even on the boat?

    The crew is smaller than before. Ashby is the sail trimmer and skipper IIRC. Burling is helmsman and Tuke is the foil trimmer. All the rest rides bikes. No free rides these days



  • so no fat boy Butterworth hanging off the back going "I reckon we should go left Russ"? pffft that's not sailing.



  • Another big difference is that Oracle get to race with the challengers from the get go which means they will know exactly how they measure up.



  • @JayCee said in Americas Cup:

    Yep me too - true band waggoner - love watching it - especially with the foiling, but most of the time I don't know what is going on.

    I'm loving how technology has revitalised the sport; turning it into a sort of renewable F1 on water.



  • @JK and from what I gathered form Pete Montgomery on the radio this morning, they could influence which side of the draw for the semis teams go...so could ensure that ETNZ end up on the tougher semi while they have 2 weeks to fine tune.

    Some farked up rules in this sport!

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/92916995/americas-cup--10-burning-questions-for-bermuda-racing



  • Yeah the whole - 'my cup, my rules' stuff sucks ass. Oracle have set things up so they have a big advantage by tangling with the challengers. Probably a lesson learnt from last time where only a few poor decisions from Team NZ let them catch up tech-wise.

    These things are rocket ships on water - but as PJ noted if they are foiling and clip a bit of water it could get interesting really fast!!

    I do love the technology even though I know sweet F all about how it actually works. Do like the fact Team NZ is still being inventive around how we power the boat. Wonder if they asked Hamish Bond if he was free?



  • Is PJ actually over there? He's actually our neighbour so I should know but I've been overseas for the last two weeks myself so havent even had a chance to see him.



  • I'm still filthy about how we lost last time......that bloody race that "timed out" which would've sealed it, then lost (was it?) 8 on the trot to cough up a 9-1 lead. Argh!



  • @JK said in Americas Cup:

    Is PJ actually over there? He's actually our neighbour so I should know but I've been overseas for the last two weeks myself so havent even had a chance to see him.

    Ok so wife saw him mincing about on the street yesterday so assuming he's not going over there



  • @JK said in Americas Cup:

    Another big difference is that Oracle get to race with the challengers from the get go which means they will know exactly how they measure up.

    Apart from Team Japan, who are Oracle lite, the other 4 teams should just cruise around the course when racing Oracle so nothing is gained. It won't happen but would be a big "fuck you" to Coutts and Ellison.

    Personally, I don't think the America's Cup has as much public interest anymore. I remember we setup TVs at work to watch the races from San Diego and Auckland. Now, I'll just watch the evening news, or wait until we're up 8-1 in the final. 😆



  • No racing today or tomorrow as postponement due to winds being too strong.

    Racing to start Sunday morning NZ time



  • Anyone looking for a slightly different angle on the reporting as far as NZ goes would do well to read Newsroom https://www.newsroom.co.nz/@sailing

    They seem to avoid the hype and hyperbole and have articles written by people more interested in the sailing than the sideshow.



  • Bumping this.
    Good day for NZ, speed is impressive. However, basic matchracing tactical error of not covering Aussie spitface let Oracle recover from 20 seconds down to get the inside lane at the last or second to last mark. He's a cunning bastard

    Ben Ainslie let his ego get the better of him, red mist, twice. First, a split second decision not to give way to Barker meant he almost killed half the Japan crew. Next, he kept on sailing, and worsening the damage to his hull. Futile, destructive. World's best sailor? Not so far. That would be spitface.


    F*ck, indeed! There wss potential for broken backs, for someone being sliced open like a can of tomato and spaghetti. All live on camera.

    These boats need sensors, and when another boat is within 2m of them, it should be classed as collision for penalty. That would encourage slightly more circumspect sailing.

    Go, NZ!



  • Looks like we put up a good showing. We don't need to beat them now, let Jimmy crow, hopefully he'll eat some later



  • The news reporting on TV made out Spittal was being disrespectful to Team NZ - then they played what he said and I found it quite normal I was not offended or surprised by his coments. He won he was happy so what. Pointed out we made an error and he capitalised.......that's sport



  • @kidcalder but, but it is Jimmy Spithall, the villain!



  • lol yeah seems our reporting needs a villain and to make us the good guys of the Americas Cup... why won't we support our team anyway after all we pay them



  • @kidcalder said in Americas Cup:

    lol yeah seems our reporting needs a villain and to make us the good guys of the Americas Cup... why won't we support our team anyway after all we pay them

    Do we?

    How is this version of ETNZ funded?



  • @Crucial said in Americas Cup:

    @kidcalder said in Americas Cup:

    lol yeah seems our reporting needs a villain and to make us the good guys of the Americas Cup... why won't we support our team anyway after all we pay them

    Do we?

    How is this version of ETNZ funded?

    They got little if any taxpayer funding once we lost the Americas Cup qualifying round from Auckland



  • @canefan said in Americas Cup:

    @Crucial said in Americas Cup:

    @kidcalder said in Americas Cup:

    lol yeah seems our reporting needs a villain and to make us the good guys of the Americas Cup... why won't we support our team anyway after all we pay them

    Do we?

    How is this version of ETNZ funded?

    They got little if any taxpayer funding once we lost the Americas Cup qualifying round from Auckland

    Yeah, that's what I thought too.



  • @Crucial said in Americas Cup:

    @canefan said in Americas Cup:

    @Crucial said in Americas Cup:

    @kidcalder said in Americas Cup:

    lol yeah seems our reporting needs a villain and to make us the good guys of the Americas Cup... why won't we support our team anyway after all we pay them

    Do we?

    How is this version of ETNZ funded?

    They got little if any taxpayer funding once we lost the Americas Cup qualifying round from Auckland

    Yeah, that's what I thought too.

    I think I read how Dalton or Ashby were saying the lack of government funding frees them from any need to be diplomatic during the regatta. They'll call a spade a spade



  • My bad re funding then.. thought govt still did



  • Another good day this morning with 2 wins. Got beaten off line (in terms of speed) by Barker on Oracle Lite but we managed to get past them mid race.

    Then a good win vs GBR.

    Been betting on these race and making good returns off it so far. Favs are usually $1.50 to $1.75 range with the only real upset so far being Oracle losing to Sweden this morning.



  • @Wairau said in Americas Cup:

    Bumping this.
    Good day for NZ, speed is impressive. However, basic matchracing tactical error of not covering Aussie spitface let Oracle recover from 20 seconds down to get the inside lane at the last or second to last mark. He's a cunning bastard

    That's monohull tactics. Generally multi-hulls don't cover so much and instead sail across the whole course from ley line to ley line so as to minimize the number of tacks - something multi-hulls traditionally try to avoid. So less likely to see the aggressive tacking duels and covering/giving bad air that we are used to from mono's

    Having said that I think TNZ's tacking and gybing has looked very good - much better than Oracles so it might be worth trying to get Spitball into a duel but multi's tend to be more of a drag race



  • @dogmeat said in Americas Cup:

    sive tacking duels and covering/giving bad air that we are used to from mono's

    I am specifically referring to the point when they had built a decent lead, and let Spitface get better wind strength. If they had been out the same side as him, the win would have been assured. They must be careful with this Aussie, he is a slippery c*nt.

    I didn't say they should get in a tacking duel, although they would win that, too.
    It's sensible, not about mono or multi....



  • Wow great race this morning and we were lucky to win thanks to that late penalty. Artemis is clearly a fast boat in the heavier winds, most likely fastest of the lot.

    We race them again tomorrow so hopefully lighter winds





  • @JK said in Americas Cup:

    Wow great race this morning and we were lucky to win thanks to that late penalty. Artemis is clearly a fast boat in the heavier winds, most likely fastest of the lot.

    We race them again tomorrow so hopefully lighter winds

    I wonder what the wind is predicted to be like during the semis and finals...



  • I hadn't looked at the schedule, but the way these guys were talking about boats and teams developing through the regatta, I thought this America's Cup was going to drag on for several months. I thought we were in some largely meaningless preliminary skirmish, with points bound to ramp up in more telling later rounds.

    But we're not. The first team will be knocked out on Saturday. That will be the end of Oracle's participation until the actual Cup races and the whole thing will be finished before the end of June.

    https://www.americascup.com/en/ac35-schedule.html



  • No racing today due to lack of winds. So all rolls over to tomorrows reserve day

    Was reading that winds are going to get lighter as they head in to summer there and would expect averages in the 8-12knot range. They also seem to think that Team NZ may have the fastest boat in the lighter winds as appears to foil easier.



  • I sent this to a swedish friend, haha, Artmeis' next boat...
    alt text

    that was just fantastic, smashed 'em bro! really smooth foil sailing and amazing turns.
    Beat BAR by 2 legs in a shortened race of 6 legs, Ainslie WD, retired in tears.
    Go Kiwis!



  • Some big margins this morning, probably exacerbated by the light winds and teams realising that once they are that far back they are unlikely to be able to catch up



  • Soooo.
    After this mornings races dare we starting believing..again.
    Smacked the frenchies and comfortably put away the other kiwi with all the baggage.
    Sailed at 100% foiling, first time it's been done so far.
    And on top of that fluffybunny face spittall lost again to the swedes.
    Big race tomorrow, if we can beat cuntface then not only will we too the challenger series, we get to choose our opponent in the semi finals. And if we make it to the big dance we come with 1 point as a head start.



  • @Virgil we need a 9 point start....



  • @taniwharugby said in Americas Cup:

    @Virgil we need a 9 point start....

    It's first to seven mate


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