Weights then Cardio or Cardio then Weights?



  • I'm sick of reading one thing and then the other on this so I'm asking Auntie Fern.

    Is it better to do weights followed by cardio, or the reverse of that? I'm looking forward to snowboarding season so need to skinny up and up the quad/calf and tricep strength. Had no probs with the latter part, cranking up the weights, but I don't want to find out I'm doing the wrong thing hitting 45mins on the bike after that.



  • I'm interested in the opinions on this.

    My advice had been to do weights first, so you have as much energy as possible for that. I had also heard the cardio afterwards is good for getting rid of the lactic acid or something?



  • Yeah there's heaps of conflicting stuff out there.

    Unrelated to my question,just BTW, this site has been excellent for jogging the memory on technique and some ideas: [url="http://www.exrx.net"]http://www.exrx.net[/url]



  • Theres so many schools of thought on this that it does get confusing. Personally I try to do cardio in the morning two or three times a week, in saying that its not long runs on the treadmill its more interval work ( tabata stuff, read the high intensity vs low intensity thread ) which supposedly helps preserve muscle mass more and means I can get it over with quicker cos a) I am a lazy fucker who will lie in bed in the morning up until THE LAST POSSIBLE SECOND and I have a 10 month old boy who I'd rather hang out with than spend ages doing cardio ( although the 10kg or so he weighs adds up when hes in a backpack and I'm doing big walks up wellingtons hills so I can occasionally combine the two ). I do weights three times a week ( Sundays, tuesdays and thursdays ) but thats just about always in the evening. morning cardio on an empty stomach helps you burn more fat ( but then do a google search on it and some people will advise you a full stomack gives you more energy ?!?!? )



  • Hmmm, seems Auntie Fern is pretty slow on results so far as to the initial question... Would have thought RB or Bartman would have the goods.

    That Tabata looks like it could be the go, will give it a try this weekend.

    Any one hitting the slopes (on a board) this year should crank into these, they make going into and landing those spins so much easier: [url="http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Obliques/WtLyingTwist.html"]http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Obl ... Twist.html[/url]



  • As davidav said Tabata can be done with anything and if done correctly you should be sweating and completely rooted after 4 minutes, if you aren't you aren't doing it right....



  • My PT always makes me do weights first, then finish with Cardio.

    Although, I'm still rather fat, so may not be the way forward.



  • I'd lean towards cardio first, then weights after.

    farked if I could do a decent run after a legs session. No probs the other way around though.

    All depends on what your cardio / weights combo is really doesn't it...?

    e.g. if you were doing a swim and a leg weight combo I see no reason what order you did them in.



  • cardio goes second, so you burn your fat rather than the glycogen (energy, is glycogen the right word) in your muscle - that will already be gone from the weights session, so instead of burning your energy that is 'ready to go', you start burning your stored energy (FAT).

    The above is what I have been told anyway.

    Also the traiing cardio in the morning on an empty stomach again is to you mobilise your fat reserves by not having any energy on hand other than that pesky FAT!!!!



  • [quote name='BartMan']cardio goes second, so you burn your fat rather than the glycogen (energy, is glycogen the right word) in your muscle - that will already be gone from the weights session, so instead of burning your energy that is 'ready to go', you start burning your stored energy (FAT).

    The above is what I have been told anyway.

    Also the traiing cardio in the morning on an empty stomach again is to you mobilise your fat reserves by not having any energy on hand other than that pesky FAT!!!![/quote]
    Makes sense, and was what I was initially told. The seeds of doubt planted by different sources never added up, hence the question.

    Right, so will persevere with that strategy and try the Tabata idea.

    Squats with feet at same width as snowboarding stance = farkin hard work, but quite motivational because it seems like the right idea... I'm even considering bringing my stance in 20mm or so because it seems too easy to fall over.



  • It always amazes me when stars like Hugh Jackman for Wolverine, Christian Bale for Batman, the main guy for 300 or whoever get in such amazing shape in a seemingly short period of time for their roles. Ie the guns get so much bigger yet the abs and veins get so much more defined. This seems impossible to me and while some of this can be down to a bit of digital trickery at times I stop and think that that is their JOB so they have ample time to eat the six small meals a day, train after a great nights rest, expert advice etc. I suppose the same can be said of pro sportsmen. Not as easy for the rest of us sadly.....

    ( then again I'm sure roids aren't out of the question for some of them either )



  • mn5 - IT DOESN'T TAKE long when you are eating the right foot for the fat to go and the muscle to show! But it IS bloody hard work! And with a full time traininer as you train etc, and no full time jobs, it would be much easier and they would get results faster.

    Oh to be a movie star eh!



  • [quote name='BartMan']mn5 - IT DOESN'T TAKE long when you are eating the right foot for the fat to go and the muscle to show! But it IS bloody hard work! And with a full time traininer as you train etc, and no full time jobs, it would be much easier and they would get results faster.

    Oh to be a movie star eh![/quote]

    I'm getting there but its hard, sometimes after a hard day at work a cheeky pizza or KFC is so much easier than preparing a proper meal ( avoid chips at all costs though ! ) and the chicken is great for a bit of protein but damn the colonel for coating it in such tasty skin !!!!



  • After reading this htread I thought I'd have a look at the Tabata thing. I did my first session today. As a warm up I ran to the gym (a little over a mile), did some weights and then a Tabata sequence on the rower. Absolutely farked after four minutes and the last twenty seconds were never ending. It was a very slow run back to Chez Cato as well. However I think I'll give it a proper go as like MN5 I am time poor, so three or four times a week with a Tabata sequence plus a bit of weights and running might be the thing. Trouble is that work is bloody stressful at the moment and the beer is alovely haven at the end of the day. eusa_think



  • That Tabata stuff ROOTED me! Did it Saturday arvo on the bike, Sunday was going to do some low impact just to blow the cobwebs out, and bugger me the cobwebs turned out to be chains with the legs hurting!

    Good stuff, and fast.



  • I feel bad for missing this mornings Tabata ( always slightly tougher to get yo ass out of bed in the colder months ) but a nice big walk through the hills yesterday with MN5 jr on my back certainly got the legs burning. Alot of exercise is about variety and while a sunday walk is good thats just it, its a SUNDAY walk, no time for that during the week sadly.



  • I'm in the weight training and then HIIT cardio last.

    2-3 times a week I do 3 combinations of superset weight training sets and then 15-20mins intervals on the bike, tready or X-trainer. Its tough but the key is to not hold back and just go for it and feel the 'good' pain (for both weights and intervals).

    I also try a sequence of picking a weight excercise (barbell rows or bench press for example) load it up to 80-85% capacity of what you can lift, and do a set of 8 or 10. The jump on the tready or bike and go hard for 3 minutes. Then jump off and do another weight set, then another 3 min etc etc. Do that say 5 or 6 times with no rests and you have a mean 20-25 min workout that will have you sweatin and feeling 'alive'. I do that instead of my normal 15+min interval training say once a fortnight to just mix it up and keep it interesting. Probably not worth doing all the time.

    But the key is eating, particularly if your past 30yo.

    I've lost at least 2-3 inches off the waist since I started this combination of training. I can't believe the weights I am now pulling/lifting. Hell I would never have imagined doing dumbell rows with 30 and 32.5kg dbs. I've never really done serious weight training or interval cardio until earlier this year. I've dabbled throughout my life but nothing like this. The weight has come off and I now have definition in the arms and shoulders and the top 2 (almost 4) abs are showing.



  • [quote name='ACT Crusader']I'm in the weight training and then HIIT cardio last.

    2-3 times a week I do 3 combinations of superset weight training sets and then 15-20mins intervals on the bike, tready or X-trainer. Its tough but the key is to not hold back and just go for it and feel the 'good' pain (for both weights and intervals).

    I also try a sequence of picking a weight excercise (barbell rows or bench press for example) load it up to 80-85% capacity of what you can lift, and do a set of 8 or 10. The jump on the tready or bike and go hard for 3 minutes. Then jump off and do another weight set, then another 3 min etc etc. Do that say 5 or 6 times with no rests and you have a mean 20-25 min workout that will have you sweatin and feeling 'alive'. I do that instead of my normal 15+min interval training say once a fortnight to just mix it up and keep it interesting. Probably not worth doing all the time.

    But the key is eating, particularly if your past 30yo.

    I've lost at least 2-3 inches off the waist since I started this combination of training. I can't believe the weights I am now pulling/lifting. Hell I would never have imagined doing dumbell rows with 30 and 32.5kg dbs. I've never really done serious weight training or interval cardio until earlier this year. I've dabbled throughout my life but nothing like this. The weight has come off and I now have definition in the arms and shoulders and the top 2 (almost 4) abs are showing.[/quote]

    That annoyingly cheesy Ryan Reynolds says that ultimately being in great shape is 20% exercise ( which I have no trouble with ) and 80% diet ( which due to work and a liking for the odd pizza and beer I can ocasionally struggle with )

    Fucken easy for him and other famous people though, they're paid to be like this and have oodles of time !



  • Yeah the weights and cardio, low carbo and low calorie, lots of protein and RDI of fibre diet is working for me, not losing weight but have dropped a jeans size.

    I thought energy levels were going to be a problem when I started to seriously chop out the carbs from lunch, but up until Friday/Saturday I had no worries. I hit some sort of dirty big wall, did upper body weights fine, went to hit some cardio and just had nothing. Went and had a drink of water, look out the window, tried again, just couldn't break through it.
    Saturday was my scheduled "day off", so didn't even look at the gym room. Then I jumped back into it on Sunday and totally smashed it up, felt great after. I'm trying to pinpoint where I over-did it so I can learn from this, but so far all I've come up with is maybe overdoing it at some point during the week... xzxscratch_one-s_head



  • yeah, energy levels do drop at the start, but once you get used to it, sweet - think your body gets used to using enegy sourcces from other than the carbs - the 'energy stored in your fat (I would assume)!!

    I am fine now, but the first couple of weeks, shattered!

    And for sure the eating is the key - I am training less now time wise than I used to, but eating right, so getting results. I would much rather train hard and eat any old shit, but that doens;t work!!


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