Blues v BI Lions



  • Lions Tour Game 2

    Haven't seen a match thread yet.

    When is the team named? Seriously.

    (I see somebody had made the joke somewhere else that it wouldn't be Thursday.)

    Two teams to be named.



  • Blues are supposed to be named today.



  • Blues are livestreaming their team naming on their facebook page at 12.30pm nz time. Sounds it will be Ihaia at 10 with Francis joining the England squad in Argie.



  • So, similar to the xv against the Chiefs. Notable changes/selections:

    Perofeta starts, West on the bench

    SBW bracketed with TJ

    Collins starts. Nanai is bracketed with TJ on the bench

    Scrafton and GCT start, Tuipulotu on the bench

    Pryor and Nock both make the bench



  • Team:

    Ofa T
    Parsons
    Faumuina
    Cowley-Tuioti
    Scrafton
    A Ioane
    Gibson
    Luatua
    Pulu
    Perofeta
    R Ioane
    SBW/Faiane
    Moala
    Duffy
    Collins

    Reserves:

    Faiva
    Hodgman
    Mafileo
    Tuipulotu
    Pryor
    Nock
    West
    Faiane/Nanai



  • @Duluth Tana strikes again. Bet you big Pat T won't be too impressed. His last chance to stake a claim for the Abs and Tana decides to put him on the bench.



  • Apart from Collins - that's about the best lineup the Blues can put out. All those bench players deserve their spot. Even if SBW starts i'd prefer Nanai on the bench to TJ - I think Faiane is better suited to start.

    Still - its clear Blues are going all in to win this one. Should be brilliant.

    I don't blame Tana for putting Pat T on the bench - he's shown glimpses this season but certainly has not stamped his mark as the Blues best lock.

    Perofeta at 10 is my favourite call - love it.



  • Perofeta looked like a rookie last week, but goal kicked well. Hope he gets off to good start so that he builds some confidence ...



  • Great to see Collins back. Really missed his play on the weekend.



  • Is Sonny Bill Williams still playing rugby?

    I thought he'd taken up boxing or hang gliding or badge-patching or something...



  • @ACT-Crusader Very droll.



  • Nanai must be the worst trainer in the history of professional rugby. It's fucking criminal he isn't starting, let alone only bracketed on the bench. The fuck Tana?



  • Glad West is back in time to be in the 23. That ankle injury could have cost him this unique experience. If Perofeta is too green to cope on Wednesday, the Blues have more experience on the bench. Just hope West doesn't re-injure that ankle again (I'm already thinking Mitre 10 Cup).



  • I thought SBW and Faiane were going to pair up in the midfield for this game when I heard their names called together, but I didn't pick up that they were bracketed. I was really hoping this was the midfield for this game.

    Perofeta's been given a pretty big game to start. I don't mind the selection as I want him to get some experience before next season.



  • When are the Lions named?



  • @MN5 said in Blues v BI Lions:

    When are the Lions named?

    Thurs....



  • Lions team to play Blues

    Halfpenny; Nowell, Payne, Henshaw, Daly; Biggar, Webb; McGrath, Owens (captain), Cole, Itoje, Lawes, Haskell, Tipuric, Stander

    Replacements: Best, Marler, Sinckler, Henderson, O'Mahony, Laidlaw, Sexton, L Williams



  • Tana side stepped a couple of questions about 2005 in the presser as well.



  • @taniwharugby said in Blues v BI Lions:

    Tana side stepped a couple of questions about 2005 in the presser as well.

    Good on him. That ship sailed a long time ago.



  • looking forward to these games ,

    really interested to see how the Lions deal with super rugby style play , not because they are inferior , but more because it may be very different to what they are used to,

    is it possible that one of these super rugby sides gets a roll on and puts on a big score ? Not so sure they would be good for rugby though



  • Lions team to play Blues has already been posted, but here it is again

    L Halfpenny; J Nowell, J Payne, R Henshaw, E Daly; D Biggar, R Webb; J McGrath, K Owens (capt), D Cole, C Lawes, M Itoje, J Haskell, J Tipuric, C J Stander.

    Replacements: R Best, J Marler, K Sinckler, Henderson, O’Mahony, Laidlaw, J Sexton, L Williams.

    Nowell and Daly
    Henshaw and Payne
    Webb and Biggar
    Lawes and Itoje

    Murray, North, Davies and O'Brien to get their jerseys against Crusaders.



  • @Pot-Hale Try to keep up old chap.



  • @Catogrande said in Blues v BI Lions:

    @Pot-Hale Try to keep up old chap.

    I have.



  • @Pot-Hale said in Blues v BI Lions:

    Lions team to play Blues has already been posted, but here it is again

    L Halfpenny; J Nowell, J Payne, R Henshaw, E Daly; D Biggar, R Webb; J McGrath, K Owens (capt), D Cole, C Lawes, M Itoje, J Haskell, J Tipuric, C J Stander.

    Replacements: R Best, J Marler, K Sinckler, Henderson, O’Mahony, Laidlaw, J Sexton, L Williams.

    Nowell and Daly
    Henshaw and Payne
    Webb and Biggar
    Lawes and Itoje

    Murray, North, Davies and O'Brien to get their jerseys against Crusaders.

    Not a bad side, but it certainly feels a bit 'mid-week'. Not many likely Test combinations in there. Blues in with a real shot of the upset.

    It also means that the following players won't have had a start, and are likely to line up against the Crusaders on Saturday:

    1. Vunipola
    2. George
    3. Furlong
    4. Kruis
    5. O'Mahoney
    6. O'Brien
    7. Murray
    8. Farrell
    9. Williams
    10. Davies
    11. North

    Looks a bit more like a shadow Test side.



  • @SimonAdd_2

    Yep, I think we can all see some of Gatland's thinking already. Murray at 9, Vunipola and Furlong 1 & 3, Davies at OC and North on one wing. To be honest I don't have much to argue with in those selections, the only concern being that if Davies is at 13, who will be 12? We've seen that a bish-bosh 12 and then Davies at 13 is unlikely to worry NZ too much.



  • @Catogrande said in Blues v BI Lions:

    @SimonAdd_2

    Yep, I think we can all see some of Gatland's thinking already. Murray at 9, Vunipola and Furlong 1 & 3, Davies at OC and North on one wing. To be honest I don't have much to argue with in those selections, the only concern being that if Davies is at 13, who will be 12? We've seen that a bish-bosh 12 and then Davies at 13 is unlikely to worry NZ too much.

    Yep. I'd add that Kruis-AWJ looks like Gatland's preference at lock at this stage.

    There are likely to be a couple of changes (Warburton will obviously come in for one of the Irish flankers) and I'm just hoping Davies is one of them.



  • @SimonAdd_2 said in Blues v BI Lions:

    @Catogrande said in Blues v BI Lions:

    @SimonAdd_2

    Yep, I think we can all see some of Gatland's thinking already. Murray at 9, Vunipola and Furlong 1 & 3, Davies at OC and North on one wing. To be honest I don't have much to argue with in those selections, the only concern being that if Davies is at 13, who will be 12? We've seen that a bish-bosh 12 and then Davies at 13 is unlikely to worry NZ too much.

    Yep. I'd add that Kruis-AWJ looks like Gatland's preference at lock at this stage.

    There are likely to be a couple of changes (Warburton will obviously come in for one of the Irish flankers) and I'm just hoping Davies is one of them.

    I'd hope not. AWJ has not looked anywhere near his peak, but it wouldn't altogether surprise me.



  • @Catogrande Yeah, I would have had Launchbury in the squad ahead of him and I thought he was one of the worst performers against the Baabaas.

    Gatland loves him though, he played 80 minutes on Saturday and has been left out of the squad v the Blues, so you have to assume he's in the driving seat. Another performance like the last one though, and even Warren may have to re-assess.



  • @SimonAdd_2 I'd have had Launchbury in the squad ahead of Lawes, Kruis and Henderson too!



  • At least AWJ showed a bit of guts and effort in that game even if it was difficult to be effective.



  • @Crucial No doubting that mate. I just don't think he is anywhere near the player he was and that this may be a tour too far for him.



  • @Catogrande said in Blues v BI Lions:

    @Crucial No doubting that mate. I just don't think he is anywhere near the player he was and that this may be a tour too far for him.

    Yeah agreed. I guess it's too early to write him off because the other candidates need to step up first, but at this stage Kruis + Itoje look like the obvious pairing.

    The players really need to start grabbing test jersies though. Faletau is the sole Lion with his name inked in so far.



  • @Frye said in Blues v BI Lions:

    @Catogrande said in Blues v BI Lions:

    @Crucial No doubting that mate. I just don't think he is anywhere near the player he was and that this may be a tour too far for him.

    Yeah agreed. I guess it's too early to write him off because the other candidates need to step up first, but at this stage Kruis + Itoje look like the obvious pairing.

    The players really need to start grabbing test jersies though. Faletau is the sole Lion with his name inked in so far.

    I think Owen Farrell is utterly nailed on. He has been in fantastic form lately, while Biggar and Sexton have fairly spluttered. I'd say the same for Liam Williams, and Jonathan Davies finished the season with a bang for Scarlets. Kruis has been playing very well, and made a difference off the bench too.



  • @Billy-Tell said in Blues v BI Lions:

    @Frye said in Blues v BI Lions:

    @Catogrande said in Blues v BI Lions:

    @Crucial No doubting that mate. I just don't think he is anywhere near the player he was and that this may be a tour too far for him.

    Yeah agreed. I guess it's too early to write him off because the other candidates need to step up first, but at this stage Kruis + Itoje look like the obvious pairing.

    The players really need to start grabbing test jersies though. Faletau is the sole Lion with his name inked in so far.

    I think Owen Farrell is utterly nailed on. He has been in fantastic form lately, while Biggar and Sexton have fairly spluttered. I'd say the same for Liam Williams, and Jonathan Davies finished the season with a bang for Scarlets. Kruis has been playing very well, and made a difference off the bench too.

    Farrell ought to be nailed on but I doubt he is. Sexton is held in very high regard, rightly so on rep but not so much on current form. I think there's a good chance he will be given every opportunity to show what he can do. Davies has played well recently and is in tune with Gatland's game plan. He would be a worthy contender but to me doesn't have that little bit extra, be it pace, spatial awareness or the feet to make his own space. Williams is a good call and can cover full back very well. Wing is a position where we have some depth though, North, Nowell, Watson. Seymour is no slouch either whilst Daly has done well there for England. I'd say the only one nailed on for a wing spot is North.



  • So Blues 13+?

    That would be super nice for my TAB account



  • Sexton was awful on Saturday, poor options and generally poor at executing the basics...certainly opened the door for someone else to stake a claim.



  • There is just no way Sexton will start the first test unless he comes on in the second half in the Blues game and turns around a losing score. And then perform out of his socks against Crusaders assuming he even gets the bench.

    The pressure is on Biggar as much if not more to get the bench spot. He has to deliver on Wednesday or I think his goose is cooked.

    The Saturday possible lineup is looking interesting. The remaining players have to start so that means Murray, Davies, North, O'Brien. Warburton will get the 7 shirt, so that means 9, 6, 13 and a wing spot are filled.

    It's Vunipola or McGrath for LooseHead - Mako to start on Sat.
    Best on the bench for Wed means he won't be featuring for a third match in a row, so it's likely George and Owens, in that order.
    Furlong and Cole for TH
    Itoje starting on Wed - bench for Sat? AWJ to start with Kruis.
    O'Brien, Warburton and Faletau for the backrow, unless Gatland pulls a surprise here.*

    Murray and Farrell at 9/10.
    With Henshaw starting Wed, then Te'o gets the 12 shirt alongside Davies.
    Williams, North and Watson/Hogg in the back three.

    *If O'Mahony only get two starts from the bench, he would look odd one out, so does Warburton move to bench?





  • C'mon Nanai.. May as well declare for Samoa uce



  • Nanai trained with the All Blacks last year, now he can't get a look in from Tana. If I were a French/English clubs I'd sign him pronto as they have to the end of the year to 'capture' his nationality at just three years.


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