Hurricanes v B&I Lions



  • @Rembrandt said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:

    Tuesday game? Not a lot of Training time, would be fantastic to get another midweek win (especially for my TAB account)

    Been together all year. They should know the calls.





  • hahaha oh that's gold. I hope they don't get a fake guy in teaching them

    preview of lineouts during hurricanes game:

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  • @mariner4life assume you didn't read it, it says they use hand signals already.... 😉

    "I'm not sure how much of a place there is for that in the game. But if it is a game tactic it won't matter for us because we do our lineouts with hand signals anyway, so the verbal cues don't mean anything."



  • @taniwharugby haha read the article? are you nuts?



  • @mariner4life headlines give enough of a gist aye 🙂



  • I had a yarn with Eves at the gym last night. He wasn't 100% sure who would be available for the Canes out of the guys in the AB squad. No doubt they get told to keep mum but...

    He said the Lions were super physical around ruck and maul time - more so than they usually get in super rugby. Also said they'd trained in awesome weather all week and it was a pity the weather was shite on the night. Biggest problem was not being able to hold possession, esp from kicks.

    He agreed that the selections could have changed to accommodate the weather - when it might have made more sense to have Otere start, McKenzie at fullback and Lowe on the wing. But no hints about any AB mandate for McKenzie at 1st five though.



  • @Paekakboyz I read an article on the stuff website yesterday, in which they said Boyd will hear on Sunday whether any players will be released by the ABs or not.



  • @Paekakboyz said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:

    I had a yarn with Eves at the gym last night. He wasn't 100% sure who would be available for the Canes out of the guys in the AB squad. No doubt they get told to keep mum but...

    He said the Lions were super physical around ruck and maul time - more so than they usually get in super rugby. Also said they'd trained in awesome weather all week and it was a pity the weather was shite on the night. Biggest problem was not being able to hold possession, esp from kicks.

    He agreed that the selections could have changed to accommodate the weather - when it might have made more sense to have Otere start, McKenzie at fullback and Lowe on the wing. But no hints about any AB mandate for McKenzie at 1st five though.

    Because I reckon it's a beat up. Forum and media talk saying DMac has to "add to his bow" to be a bench option, to follow the path that Beauden set, was not coming from the AB camp that I can recall.



  • @ACT-Crusader yeah I figured it was more likely that Cooper is seeing how DMac goes at 10. Not that the Chiefs will be expecting to run into the Lions next season... well not these Lions at least!

    Hansen may pick and chose when he shares info but I think he's pretty transparent, and approaches requests to super coaches in the right way. ie a request, not an order.



  • @ACT-Crusader said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:

    @Paekakboyz said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:

    I had a yarn with Eves at the gym last night. He wasn't 100% sure who would be available for the Canes out of the guys in the AB squad. No doubt they get told to keep mum but...

    He said the Lions were super physical around ruck and maul time - more so than they usually get in super rugby. Also said they'd trained in awesome weather all week and it was a pity the weather was shite on the night. Biggest problem was not being able to hold possession, esp from kicks.

    He agreed that the selections could have changed to accommodate the weather - when it might have made more sense to have Otere start, McKenzie at fullback and Lowe on the wing. But no hints about any AB mandate for McKenzie at 1st five though.

    Because I reckon it's a beat up. Forum and media talk saying DMac has to "add to his bow" to be a bench option, to follow the path that Beauden set, was not coming from the AB camp that I can recall.

    According to this article, this is what the AB coaches said about it:

    "Damian was definitely unlucky," added assistant coach, and attack guru, Ian Foster. "He has played really well, and I guess there will be a bit of debate about Damian v Jordie. You've got two really exciting young players, who are quite different (McKenzie a compact 1.75m and 80kg; Barrett a towering 1.95m and 96kg).
    
    "Damian is an outstanding player. He probably has got a slightly higher error-rate in some aspects but he does some brilliant things and I know he'll be back."
    
    That is likely to be sooner rather than later in All Black terms, with experienced first five-eighths Aaron Cruden due to depart after the Lions tour to take up a contract with Montpellier in France.
    
    That could open the door for talented Crusaders pivot Richie Mo'unga, or it could herald an immediate return for McKenzie to eventually fill a first five/fullback supersub role, a la Beauden Barrett so successfully through to the 2015 World Cup.
    
    The All Blacks selectors know enough about McKenzie's capabilities at fullback, based on back-to-back standout seasons of Super Rugby and his time in the national squad through 2016.
    
    But it's as a first five-eighth they need to see more from McKenzie, before anointing him as the 2.0 version of Barrett the supersub.
    
    "We're really interested in seeing him spend a bit of time at 10," added Foster. "I would imagine things do change for him at the Chiefs without Aaron there. But until we've had sufficient time to see him there it's hard to go into the test arena with someone at 10 who hasn't really played a lot there.
    
    "And as a specialist 15 we really feel we've got some good options there already."
    
    McKenzie is the heir apparent to Cruden at 10 with the Chiefs, and time in the saddle there will only help his cause as the ideal All Blacks bench man to cover 10 and 15.
    
    Fox said it was the logical progression for the talented youngster.
    
    "Damian says he wants to be a 10 and we see a great skillset at 10. But it's hard to pick him when he's not playing there. If you think about Beauden as a supersub on the bench, we're not saying that's where we see Damian's future, but if you look at that mould he could be that person.
    
    "Then he could ultimately become good enough to demand a starting position, which Beauden got to. But we need a lot more evidence. It would be a tough ask for him to do a 10/15 bench role at test level now without some time in the saddle at 10."
    

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/93546477/all-blacks-eye-supersub-role-for-damian-mckenzie-but-need-to-see-him-at-no-10



  • Even in those statements I don't see them really pushing the agenda, more responding to queries. Obviously DMac has thought about and expressed his view to Fox that he wants to play more 10 so he can be more versatile. Given he has already been in the squad and hasn't had the opportunities he probably needs to do something different.



  • I reckon Cooper just wanted to get his best players on the field and this was the solution in the backline.

    DMac had never played fullback until the NZ U20s so sees himself primarily as a 1st 5.





  • @Stargazer That's good for the Canes, probably not good for those players AB test chances though I guess. I thought Laumape might have been in line for a bench spot, and the drums are beating on the fern for J Barrett.



  • @Stargazer telling for JUlian Savea...Ben SMith OK?


    Reading between the lines and all



  • Hurricanes team to play the Lions:

    1 Ben May
    2 Ricky Riccitelli
    3 Jeff To'omaga-Allen
    4 Mark Abbott
    5 Sam Lousi
    6 Vaea Fifita
    7 Callum Gibbins
    8 Brad Shields (c)
    9 Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi
    10 Otere Black
    11 Julian Savea
    12 Ngani Laumape
    13 Vince Aso
    14 Nehe Milner-Skudder
    15 Jordie Barrett

    Reserves:
    16 Leni Apisai
    17 Chris Eves
    18 Mike Kainga
    19 James Blackwell
    20 Reed Prinsep
    21 Kemara Hauiti-Parapara
    22 Wes Goosen
    23 Cory Jane

    https://www.hurricanes.co.nz/the-canes/news/single/item/all-black-trio-return-to-bolster-shields-led-hurricanes-against-lions/

    Goosen at 22 is a bit odd as he isn't a 10. Will Black go the full eighty minutes, or will they move Jordie to ten if Black gets injured?



  • @Stargazer said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:

    That's a good team - a lot better than what the Chiefs put out.



  • Where is Kylem O'Donnell, one of the three contracted halfbacks on the Hurricanes roster?



  • @hydro11 said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:

    @Stargazer said in Hurricanes v B&I Lions:

    That's a good team - a lot better than what the Chiefs put out.

    About to say the same thing.


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