Beaver book



  • Beaver bio w/ Scotty Stevenson.

    Long excerpt published in Herald today, it's awesome.



  • Yeah I read that and thought it was interesting and well written. Just goes to show the players do struggle with all of the hate when they fuck up. Also goes to show what being an All Black means to these guys. Awesome story really.



  • Bought it this arvo and read through it. Sumo Stevenson can get pretty sycophantic as a commentator at times but he can tell a story and I think he's done well here.

    Cory Jane (also involving Sumo) book was a disappointment in the sense that firstly Upper Hutt's 2005 Swindale Shield win didn't get a mention but also the writing read much more like Sumo than it did C.J. Words were used that a bogan from Upper Hutt just would never use (or probably know in CJ's case)

    Won't put any spoilers in but glad I spent my $34.99 on it.



  • It says something about beaver that while we were castigating him over one kick a coaching legend like McGeechan was trying to sign him to his club .



  • Good read provided you can get the mental image of Fat Guts Hansen in a spa out of your mind. I've always thought the stories of the sportspeople who've done it tough like Beaver and Norm Hewitt are so much more interesting than Richie McCaws book which sucked arse. I leant it to someone who i cant quite remembet and don't even care where it is now.



  • @MN5 Gee that's really interesting, you've never mentioned that before.



  • @MN5 Did you actually read the book, or just watch the pictures?



  • @Bones said in Beaver book:

    @MN5 Gee that's really interesting, you've never mentioned that before.

    You middle eastern folk have memories like elephants.



  • @MN5 It makes revenge that much easier.



  • @Bones said in Beaver book:

    @MN5 It makes revenge that much easier.

    You forgive and forget after ten generations though aye?



  • @MN5 only if assimilated.



  • @jegga said in Beaver book:

    It says something about beaver that while we were castigating him over one kick a coaching legend like McGeechan was trying to sign him to his club .

    Which kick?



  • @rotated

    Missed touch in Hong Kong, 2010.



  • @gt12 said in Beaver book:

    @rotated

    Missed touch in Hong Kong, 2010.

    Not the missed penalty that would have put the game away a few minutes earlier?

    Or the repeated chip kicks out of his own 22 in South Africa in 2009?

    He wasn't a great All Black who was vilified for one poor kick. He was off the pace for his whole career, yet kept getting picked - Hong Kong was just the point where it became literally impossible to keep picking him.

    Each to their own but I find the pumping of Donald by a certain subset of the media, including the author, a little tiring.



  • @rotated

    It could be the missed penalty, but I'm pretty sure the 'kick' referred to in the book is the missed touch. I could be wrong though!



  • He's turned into a very handy 12, arguably better than he ever was at 10. Might have been better to play his whole career there.



  • @Billy-Tell said in Beaver book:

    He's turned into a very handy 12, arguably better than he ever was at 10. Might have been better to play his whole career there.

    He took a fair while to get a bit of solidity in his body. He was quite slight in his earlier years and wouldn't have made much of a midfielder.



  • @gt12 said in Beaver book:

    @rotated

    It could be the missed penalty, but I'm pretty sure the 'kick' referred to in the book is the missed touch. I could be wrong though!

    That is 'the kick', but there were plenty of howlers including that 10 minutes.

    Jegga said NZ castigated him over one kick, they didn't. They didn't even castigate him.



  • @rotated

    I did. All my friends did. Both of them.

    My Dad still doesn't really like him - even after 2011! He'll bring up that kick every time he hears Beaver's name, despite me reminding him that Beaver made it when it counted.



  • This thread is far less pornographic than the title suggests.



  • @NTA said in Beaver book:

    This thread is far less pornographic than the title suggests.

    Probably a little confusing for our Canadian friends also.


  • Banned

    Donald was an enigma when he was in the ab frame. He mixed some clumsy arse shit with some incredibly good rugby. I remember watching the Chiefs after I'd seen him play like a tard. I expected to see more of the same but he carved up using a lethal mix of brute force and skill. It blew me away. Unfortunately he couldn't do that at test level.

    The fact that he wasn't Dan Carter and was a ungainly dopey looking fucker made him an easy target. A convenient scapegoat.

    Still, his story of redemption is awesome. Considering the shit he's had to cop to his face from people who probably can't even pass or kick a ball, it must be hugely satisfying.



  • @rotated said in Beaver book:

    @gt12 said in Beaver book:

    @rotated

    It could be the missed penalty, but I'm pretty sure the 'kick' referred to in the book is the missed touch. I could be wrong though!

    That is 'the kick', but there were plenty of howlers including that 10 minutes.

    Jegga said NZ castigated him over one kick, they didn't. They didn't even castigate him.

    Where the fuck were you in 2010 and 2011? Clearly not in NZ.

    Good read, bit of a pity they picked out the most obvious bit but I guess that's to be expected. Might have to buy it.

    You'd hope the dickheads who gave him shit eventually took a look in the mirror and stopped being dicks but probably not.



  • @Unco said in Beaver book:

    @rotated said in Beaver book:

    @gt12 said in Beaver book:

    @rotated

    It could be the missed penalty, but I'm pretty sure the 'kick' referred to in the book is the missed touch. I could be wrong though!

    That is 'the kick', but there were plenty of howlers including that 10 minutes.

    Jegga said NZ castigated him over one kick, they didn't. They didn't even castigate him.

    **Where the fuck were you in 2010 and 2011? Clearly not in NZ.
    **
    Good read, bit of a pity they picked out the most obvious bit but I guess that's to be expected. Might have to buy it.

    You'd hope the dickheads who gave him shit eventually took a look in the mirror and stopped being dicks but probably not.

    I wasn't even going to debate the point its so odd to see it made. He got loads of shit particularly after Hong Kong, he answered his detractors -which included me in the best way possible . Good on him.



  • @NTA said in Beaver book:

    This thread is far less pornographic than the title suggests.

    Were you looking for a book about a fluffybunny?

    alt text



  • @chimoaus said in Beaver book:

    @NTA said in Beaver book:

    This thread is far less pornographic than the title suggests.

    Probably a little confusing for our Canadian friends also.

    No one really has Canadian friends do they?



  • @Crucial said in Beaver book:

    @chimoaus said in Beaver book:

    @NTA said in Beaver book:

    This thread is far less pornographic than the title suggests.

    Probably a little confusing for our Canadian friends also.

    No one really has Canadian friends do they?

    Like the old quiz game - name 10 famous Canadians, only the bloody Trudeau lot have made that one a little easier. Anyway we can always substitute Belgians.



  • @Unco said in Beaver book:

    @rotated said in Beaver book:

    @gt12 said in Beaver book:

    @rotated

    It could be the missed penalty, but I'm pretty sure the 'kick' referred to in the book is the missed touch. I could be wrong though!

    That is 'the kick', but there were plenty of howlers including that 10 minutes.

    Jegga said NZ castigated him over one kick, they didn't. They didn't even castigate him.

    Where the fuck were you in 2010 and 2011? Clearly not in NZ.

    Good read, bit of a pity they picked out the most obvious bit but I guess that's to be expected. Might have to buy it.

    You'd hope the dickheads who gave him shit eventually took a look in the mirror and stopped being dicks but probably not.

    Saying he wasn't up to AB standard and they wanted him dropped isn't castigating him, nor is saying he was primarily responsible for blowing that game.

    Watch Weight of the Nation they dig up as much archival footage as they can and as cutting as it gets is Richard Loe saying something to the effect of 'that's it, he isn't the answer'. Radio Sport calls were all along the same lines - no one was saying he should have his contract ripped up, nor Donald be sent home from the tour (I wanted Slade to replace the injured Sivivatu though) or worse. If they did I would love to see it.

    Contrast that with what Ted got after 2007 - front page calling for him to be guillotined, the drivel Deaker and co went on. That is much closer to castigation.

    Obviously can't speak for the odd drunk idiot he ran into - but at that point it's more about the individual than the nation.

    It makes for a better story, but if you can't say a player played poorly on their 15th chance then we may as well pack up and give it away. He isn't the first AB to play poorly and get called out on it, Jonah got it on debut as a teenager FFS.



  • @Catogrande said in Beaver book:

    @Crucial said in Beaver book:

    @chimoaus said in Beaver book:

    @NTA said in Beaver book:

    This thread is far less pornographic than the title suggests.

    Probably a little confusing for our Canadian friends also.

    No one really has Canadian friends do they?

    Like the old quiz game - name 10 famous Canadians, only the bloody Trudeau lot have made that one a little easier.

    Bieber, Shania, Shatner, Celine, Joni, Cohen, Neil, Drake, Jordan B. Petersen, and, ummm, ooooh, one more, okay, Gretzky.



  • @Salacious-Crumb said in Beaver book:

    @Catogrande said in Beaver book:

    @Crucial said in Beaver book:

    @chimoaus said in Beaver book:

    @NTA said in Beaver book:

    This thread is far less pornographic than the title suggests.

    Probably a little confusing for our Canadian friends also.

    No one really has Canadian friends do they?

    Like the old quiz game - name 10 famous Canadians, only the bloody Trudeau lot have made that one a little easier.

    Bieber, Shania, Shatner, Celine, Joni, Cohen, Neil, Drake, Jordan B. Petersen, and, ummm, ooooh, one more, okay, Gretzky.

    To prove the point I can't work out at a glance who some of those people are.



  • @Crucial said in Beaver book:

    To prove the point I can't work out at a glance who some of those people are.

    Justin Bieber (famous with the kids, allegedly)
    Shania Twain (biggest selling record by female artist ever, and still gorgeous for an old chick)
    William Shatner (played Captain Kirk, amongst others)
    Celine Dion (huge with housewives, allegedly)
    Joni Mitchell (maybe too avant garde for your tastes?)
    Leonard Cohen (dead now, halelujah!)
    Neil Young (godfather of grunge, hippie)
    Drake (modern hip-hop recording artist, supposedly popular)
    Jordan B. Petersen (anti-christ to Social Justice Warriors, and probably the biggest star of the lot)
    Wayne Gretzky (Canadians play hockey)



  • @Salacious-Crumb said in Beaver book:

    @Crucial said in Beaver book:

    To prove the point I can't work out at a glance who some of those people are.

    Justin Bieber (famous with the kids, allegedly) Not allowed. Just NOT OK?
    Shania Twain (biggest selling record by female artist ever, and still gorgeous for an old chick)
    William Shatner (played Captain Kirk, amongst others) Not allowed as no-one knows he's a canuck
    Celine Dion (huge with housewives, allegedly)
    Joni Mitchell (maybe too avant garde for your tastes?)
    Leonard Cohen (dead now, halelujah!)
    Neil Young (godfather of grunge, hippie)
    Drake (modern hip-hop recording artist, supposedly popular) Who?
    Jordan B. Petersen (anti-christ to Social Justice Warriors, and probably the biggest star of the lot) Not allowed, he's a citizen of the world
    Wayne Gretzky (Canadians play hockey)

    Good luck with the Belgians. Oh and Poirot doesn't count.



  • @Salacious-Crumb said in Beaver book:

    @Catogrande said in Beaver book:

    @Crucial said in Beaver book:

    @chimoaus said in Beaver book:

    @NTA said in Beaver book:

    This thread is far less pornographic than the title suggests.

    Probably a little confusing for our Canadian friends also.

    No one really has Canadian friends do they?

    Like the old quiz game - name 10 famous Canadians, only the bloody Trudeau lot have made that one a little easier.

    Bieber, Shania, Shatner, Celine, Joni, Cohen, Neil, Drake, Jordan B. Petersen, and, ummm, ooooh, one more, okay, Gretzky.

    John Candy, Pamela Anderson, Michael J Fox, Ryan Reynolds, Ryan Gosling, Racheal McAdams, Jim Carey, James Cameron, Elon Musk, Keanu Reaves, Matthew Perry, Mike Myers, Kim Cattrall, Dan Ackroyd, Chong from Cheech and Chong, Keifer Sutherland.

    Massive overachievers in Comedy and Music although for everything after Cohen, Young & Guess Who they have a lot to answer for (Lavigne, Morrisette, Nickelback, Drake, Buble, Dion, Snow's Informer etc etc).



  • @Catogrande said in Beaver book:

    @Salacious-Crumb said in Beaver book:

    @Crucial said in Beaver book:

    To prove the point I can't work out at a glance who some of those people are.

    Justin Bieber (famous with the kids, allegedly) Not allowed. Just NOT OK?
    Shania Twain (biggest selling record by female artist ever, and still gorgeous for an old chick)
    William Shatner (played Captain Kirk, amongst others) Not allowed as no-one knows he's a canuck
    Celine Dion (huge with housewives, allegedly)
    Joni Mitchell (maybe too avant garde for your tastes?)
    Leonard Cohen (dead now, halelujah!)
    Neil Young (godfather of grunge, hippie)
    Drake (modern hip-hop recording artist, supposedly popular) Who?
    Jordan B. Petersen (anti-christ to Social Justice Warriors, and probably the biggest star of the lot) Not allowed, he's a citizen of the world
    Wayne Gretzky (Canadians play hockey)

    Good luck with the Belgians. Oh and Poirot doesn't count.

    That dude that wrote the Tintin books. Whatever his name is.
    Ummmm
    Ummmmm...



  • @rotated Just because YOU know them doesn't make them famous.



  • @Catogrande said in Beaver book:

    @rotated Just because YOU know them doesn't make them famous.

    With the exception of a couple of comedians listed who were particularly prominent during most Fern members hey day, almost every other person listed is/was the highest paid actor/actress/director in either TV or movies at some point in the past 20 years.



  • @rotated said in Beaver book:

    @Catogrande said in Beaver book:

    @rotated Just because YOU know them doesn't make them famous.

    With the exception of a couple of comedians listed who were particularly prominent during most Fern members hey day, almost every other person listed is/was the highest paid actor/actress/director in either TV or movies at some point in the past 20 years.

    (sticks fingers in ears). La, la, la. I can't hear you.



  • @rotated said in Beaver book:

    @Catogrande said in Beaver book:

    @rotated Just because YOU know them doesn't make them famous.

    With the exception of a couple of comedians listed who were particularly prominent during most Fern members hey day, almost every other person listed is/was the highest paid actor/actress/director in either TV or movies at some point in the past 20 years.

    You're kind of missing the point.

    They need to be well known AS a Canadian. I wouldn't have had a clue a lot of those were Canucks.

    eg if you asked average Joe what nationality Chong is they should instantly know he is Canadian.



  • @Crucial said in Beaver book:

    @Catogrande said in Beaver book:

    @Salacious-Crumb said in Beaver book:

    @Crucial said in Beaver book:

    To prove the point I can't work out at a glance who some of those people are.

    Justin Bieber (famous with the kids, allegedly) Not allowed. Just NOT OK?
    Shania Twain (biggest selling record by female artist ever, and still gorgeous for an old chick)
    William Shatner (played Captain Kirk, amongst others) Not allowed as no-one knows he's a canuck
    Celine Dion (huge with housewives, allegedly)
    Joni Mitchell (maybe too avant garde for your tastes?)
    Leonard Cohen (dead now, halelujah!)
    Neil Young (godfather of grunge, hippie)
    Drake (modern hip-hop recording artist, supposedly popular) Who?
    Jordan B. Petersen (anti-christ to Social Justice Warriors, and probably the biggest star of the lot) Not allowed, he's a citizen of the world
    Wayne Gretzky (Canadians play hockey)

    Good luck with the Belgians. Oh and Poirot doesn't count.

    That dude that wrote the Tintin books. Whatever his name is.
    Ummmm
    Ummmmm...

    Herge was tintin?
    Plastic bertrange of course.



  • @Crucial said in Beaver book:

    eg if you asked average Joe what nationality Chong is they should instantly know he is Canadian.

    We're really off-topic now but the Most Famous Canadian of All Time is also the Greatest Canadian Ever and it's this guy:


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