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  • @siam said in Ashes!!:

    Surely that's the uncontrolled behaviour of grevious bodily harm. Fights over and buddies telling him to stop, yet still he carries on. Surely that's how one gets a conviction?

    White sportsman privilege here we go!

    Yep, if he were shit he'd get slapped by the judge. If you could win them the ashes, then ... who knows.

    Another good life lesson for people - just be really good at something, rich, white or some good combination and you're sweet as.



  • I'm no Laurie Lawyer but surely that's jail time right? Might have gotten away with it had it not been for the final knockdown when the other guy was backing away.



  • Raises another interesting question:

    Warner v Stokes

    🤔



  • @rembrandt if it was Qld he would probably just get a fine. Not sure how things go in the UK but I would be surprised if things were too different. If they routinely put people in jail for that the jails would be full before we knew it. That sory if thing happens nearly every night unfortunately.



  • @rembrandt said in Ashes!!:

    I'm no Laurie Lawyer but surely that's jail time right? Might have gotten away with it had it not been for the final knockdown when the other guy was backing away.

    Gaol for a minor fracas?



  • Suppose I'm thinking of NSW king hit laws.
    Super dumb bastard though



  • @nta said in Ashes!!:

    Raises another interesting question:

    Warner v Stokes

    🤔

    Davey Dumb Dumb has been annoyingly subdued since settling down and having a kid. It's getting to the point that I'm starting not to hate him as much anymore. Tell that w*nker to up his game this summer please. As you say, hopefully a fiery ginga getting up in his face may awaken the grub inside him.



  • @nzzp said in Ashes!!:

    @siam said in Ashes!!:

    Surely that's the uncontrolled behaviour of grevious bodily harm. Fights over and buddies telling him to stop, yet still he carries on. Surely that's how one gets a conviction?

    White sportsman privilege here we go!

    Yep, if he were shit he'd get slapped by the judge. If you could win them the ashes, then ... who knows.

    Another good life lesson for people - just be really good at something, rich, white or some good combination and you're sweet as.

    That is how the system works though. If you can prove that you can be a contributing member of society, and convince the judge you are unlikely to re-offend, then the judge will generally give you a chance. It's either that or convicting you, likely meaning you will become a drain on the countries economy for the rest of your life.

    There's always a balance to be struck between justice and rehabilitation, but sportsmen are nowhere near the only group of people that get given second chances - it's just their cases are highly publicised.







  • @nta said in Ashes!!:

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  • Piers Morgan reports that Stokes was defending a couple of gay guys being taunted and threatened



  • @nta said in Ashes!!:

    Raises another interesting question:

    Warner v Stokes

    🤔

    Well if Davey is allowed his bat I'd say they'd start on a fairly even footing



  • @canefan said in Ashes!!:

    Piers Morgan reports that Stokes was defending a couple of gay guys being taunted and threatened

    And? As has been said regardless of provocation he carried it on too far



  • @canefan said in Ashes!!:

    Piers Morgan reports that Stokes was defending a couple of gay guys being taunted and threatened

    Strange that he needs to defend them from a guy he's already knocked to the ground



  • @sammyc yeah. Video is pretty damning, but I'd imagine he'll be hanging on to anything right now and self defence might ease things a little bit. If they let him leave for Oz he might have to stay there and camp out at Keith Murdoch's place



  • Obviously the investigation will be more than viewing the video but I will be surprised if Stokes can use provocation as a defence. You can usually only use provocation as a defence when you come to the aid of certain people and I would be surpised if random strangers, whether they are gay or not, would be sufficuent for provocation in England. Even if Stokes was in a relationship with one of the gay men it probably wouldn't be enough.

    The best chance for Stokes might be for the victim to want to settle out of court.



  • Don't know the law, but the first 'action' on the actual videos (who knows what happened before the vid starts) is one of the guys hitting one of Stokes' group with a bottle, misses his head and seems to hit his upper back. Stokes then tackles that guy to the ground.
    melee ensues.

    But Stokes actually KOs the other fella (out of the 2) in the end, which won't help.



  • @rapido you are right it does appear to show the guy with the bottle. I would have no issues with the actions of Stokes at the beginning but things do become cloudy the longer the video goes on. This is why police absolutely hate assault complaints coming out of drunken brawls. They are always fucking messy to investigate and often the victim's actions have led to his beating. Usually the person complaining to police is the one who lost the 'fight'.


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