AB's v Wales



  • Flush the dunny, on with the show:
    Team to play Wales?

    Hames
    Taylor
    Laulala
    Whitelock
    SBarrett
    Squire
    Cane
    Read
    Smith
    BBarrett
    Naholo
    Crotty
    SBW
    Goodhue - he played wing in his U20s team.
    DMac
    Bench:
    Ofa
    Harris
    Crockett
    Tuipolotu
    Todd
    TKB - Give him one last game eh?
    Sopoaga
    Havili.

    All this depending on Ioane being available. If he's not I'd like to see things mixed up a bit in the wings. Probably, just stick Tamanivalu on Left wing and kept Naholo on right TBH



  • Well I'm going to start my build up nice and early by watching this classic encounter



  • What is a "v Wales"? And why do the All Blacks have one?

    /apostrophe nazi



  • @booboo said in AB's v Wales:

    What is a "v Wales"? And why do the All Blacks have one?

    /apostrophe nazi

    The v stands for version. This thread is about the version of the All Blacks to play Wales 🙄



  • @westcoastie I think Hansen said TKB had played his last one barring injury.



  • We’re in serious danger of losing this one.



  • @act-crusader naw, I missed that. Thats a shame.



  • Hansen was ambiguous with his answer about TKB so it's not a definite no.



  • After watching the Scot game, I’m feeling much better - if we are accurate in our small skills and decision making, we’ll win going away from them. If we aren’t, it’ll be close and we may lose. It’s amazing how we’ve had players who could consistently make the right decision (such as when to pass - or not) for so long that now it’s hard to see less experienced guys fuck it up.



  • I'd like to see Pat T get a start. Barrett (S) for bench. Read is crocked, so best if Squire starts at 8. Imagine Fifita at 6, although I'd like to see Ioane (A) to get some game time.



  • Confirmed: both Rieko Ioane and Luke Romano not available



  • I guess Havili and Scott Barrett come in, then? Also I reckon Squire and Fifita will swap places. Crockett should sit this one out, too, but probably won't.



  • @tordah Would like to see JTA and Ofa on bench.



  • @gunner said in AB's v Wales:

    We’re in serious danger of losing this one.

    Pissing myself laughing here.



  • @mikethesnow said in AB's v Wales:

    @gunner said in AB's v Wales:

    We’re in serious danger of losing this one.

    Pissing myself laughing here.

    Na seriously.

    If we’re off our game which is highly likely going on recent form, all Wales need to do is to hold a few more passes than scotland did, get a bit of luck here and there and they’re in with a pretty good chance.



  • @mikethesnow said in AB's v Wales:

    @gunner said in AB's v Wales:

    We’re in serious danger of losing this one.

    Pissing myself laughing here.

    if there was a ever an opportunity to beat us , its probably now ,

    Whether Wales is good enough to take advantage of that is another question , sounds like you dont think they are ,which is fair enough ,

    But we are looking beatable right now



  • It will be interesting to compare the teams from the Lions 1st test to the team they roll out vs Wales. Not many would have predicted such a high injury toll.

    I really think this will be a tight game and I am looking forward to the challenge. I actually think all of these challenges will help us in the long run. Some players suit test rugby and some don't, this tour sure is helping the coaches see who is stepping up.



  • @kiwiinmelb said in AB's v Wales:

    @mikethesnow said in AB's v Wales:

    @gunner said in AB's v Wales:

    We’re in serious danger of losing this one.

    Pissing myself laughing here.

    if there was a ever an opportunity to beat us , its probably now ,

    Whether Wales is good enough to take advantage of that is another question , sounds like you dont think they are ,which is fair enough ,

    But we are looking beatable right now

    You're certainly looking beatable but realistically only England are good enough to do it.

    We can't beat an egg.



  • So that's now our 'best' front row out, our one of our starting locks out, one of our back up locks out, our best 6 still up in the air.

    Our best back 3 out as well...all contributing factors in how average we are looking at the moment.



  • @gunner the sooner teams stop relying on luck, then the more likely they are to beat us. Unless luck includes us having double figure players injured.



  • @chimoaus said in AB's v Wales:

    It will be interesting to compare the teams from the Lions 1st test to the team they roll out vs Wales. Not many would have predicted such a high injury toll.

    I really think this will be a tight game and I am looking forward to the challenge. I actually think all of these challenges will help us in the long run. Some players suit test rugby and some don't, this tour sure is helping the coaches see who is stepping up.

    1st Lions Test - Scotland Test
    Moody - Hames
    Taylor - N/C
    Franks - Laulala
    Retallick - Romano but out for Wales
    Whitelock - N/C
    Kaino - Fifita (expect Squire to come in)
    Cane - N/C
    Read - N/C
    ASmith - N/C
    BBarrett - N/C
    Ioane - N/C but out for Wales test
    SBW - N/C
    Crotty - N/C
    Dagg - Naholo
    BSmith - McKenzie

    Harris - N/C
    Crockett - N/C
    Faumuina - Tu'ungafasi
    SBarrett - Squire
    ASavea - Todd
    TJP - N/C
    Cruden/Sopoaga - Sopoaga
    ALB - N/C



  • Mostly, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 have all been the same. Ioane of course out for Wales. Its about half the team changing pretty regularly.

    Scrum has been solid all year. When you look at that list, the axis of the team is largely unchanged. Maybe we should be a little bit better performed than we have been.



  • ABs by 20.

    Not expecting a perfect performance by any stretch, but I reckon it will play out like the French test.



  • @act-crusader said in AB's v Wales:

    ABs by 20.

    Not expecting a perfect performance by any stretch, but I reckon it will play out like the French test.

    What was your prediction for the Scots test so I can decide whether to take this one seriously?



  • @nepia said in AB's v Wales:

    @act-crusader said in AB's v Wales:

    ABs by 20.

    Not expecting a perfect performance by any stretch, but I reckon it will play out like the French test.

    What was your prediction for the Scots test so I can decide whether to take this one seriously?

    Funny you should ask, a mate who likes a punt but doesn’t really follow rugby asked me about margin. I told him under 8 points and he walked away from a with a cool $250



  • I'd really like to see Akira get some game-time in this one. Fifita and Squire are both flat track bullies, and are not the answer long term. Neither of them could put in a performance like Akira did for the Maori vs the Lions while the rest of the pack got their asses handed to them. I see him as our long term 6 following Kaino's retirement.



  • @westcoastie Thanks for that, the core of the team are first choice. Maybe we have been using the injuries as an excuse for our poor play when we should be looking at other reasons. When you look at it our core backline 9,10,12,13 are all first choice players.

    You have to wonder what impacts on discipline in games, is it an individual problem, coaching problem or combination of both. You really have to wonder what was going through Crocketts head when he tackled the halfback.



  • @chimoaus perhaps Crockett thought he was on an episode of Back to the Future and was playing back in the day before the law change.


  • Banned

    I think they might do alright this game. Given the dross served up recently they will surely want to end the year on a high.



  • @tordah said in AB's v Wales:

    I guess Havili and Scott Barrett come in, then?

    Tamanivalu should be a straight swap for Ioane. I'd prefer Pat T to start ahead of Barrett.



  • @chimoaus

    Add #8 to that as well. You'd think 8-9-10-12-13 would provide enough direction, and include Whitelock & Cane in that, that we'd be playing better than we are.
    Looks like we can excuse the 10-12-13 axis a bit, as its starting to show some signs (first half v French, 2nd half v Scots)
    But overall, we're just not that cohesive. When we play like we did test 1 vs BIL, we're hard to stop. I know we had to adjust tactics for test 2, but maybe we went too far away from what worked so well - of course, we did have a healthy lead until SBW got carded.

    The answer has to be that we're resisting showing our hand now, so as to not give the opposition a chance to completely work us out come RWC. As long as we keep the Bledisloe, win the TRC, and keep losses on the EOYT to a 1 a year - no one will care that badly (we all do, but we've been blessed with results since mid-2005 in all honesty) so long as we win the RWC (of course if we lose the warning signs will have been there all along)
    Losing to Ireland wasn't all bad, the whole stigma of losing them has gone now, and realistically we were going to lose to someone we hadn't lost to before sometime - I always assumed Argentina over in Argentina, but well there you go.
    Still. I want us to fuck Wales up.



  • @westcoastie our 12/13 was chopped/changed (not there) in the Lions series too.



  • @taniwharugby yeh exactly, so its good to see it starting to come together. I can see the AB's rolling with SBW/Crotty through to RWC, but developing Laumape & Goodhue over the next two years.
    They have to have seen the value in a strong combo at 12/13. ALB seems to have stalled, but will remain a great bench option I think covering both positions into the next RWC cycle.



  • @westcoastie I'm bias, but I think Goodhue is an option to look at a player that can play 12/13, I know it is 'only NPC' but he played 12 at NPC and 13 at Super.



  • @taniwharugby he looks the goods doesn't he... he was wing in his NZ u20 team also



  • @gunner said in AB's v Wales:

    We’re in serious danger of losing this one.

    Wales I’m not sure. If it was England or Ireland I’d have us as underdogs which is a bit sickening.



  • @bovidae said in AB's v Wales:

    @tordah said in AB's v Wales:

    I guess Havili and Scott Barrett come in, then?

    Tamanivalu should be a straight swap for Ioane. I'd prefer Pat T to start ahead of Barrett.

    Agree on Tamanivalu.

    I’d prefer PT to come off the bench. The best rugby he’s ever played for the ABs has been in an impact role off the bench to close out games.



  • @billy-tell said in AB's v Wales:

    @gunner said in AB's v Wales:

    We’re in serious danger of losing this one.

    Wales I’m not sure. If it was England or Ireland I’d have us as underdogs which is a bit sickening.

    I'm not saying Wales are favourites, but they're as good a chance right now than they have been in a long while.

    I'm always pretty confident that the ABs will win, but I just feel a bit uneasy about this one...



  • I realise this is a tiny sample but here are the territoy and possession stats from the AB's last 4 tests.
    Territory Possession
    Scotland 34% 40%
    France 46% 43%
    Australia 43% 46%
    SA 37% 36%

    Clearly we have some issues holding onto the ball in the right places. I can only assume its a tactic of the coaches to kick the ball back to the opposition and hope they make a mistake and score from broken play. Or perhaps teams who play the AB's do not want to kick the ball to our back 3 so they hold onto it for longer. Either way, I would have thought it would be easier to score points when you have the ball at the right end of the park.



  • @chimoaus said in AB's v Wales:
    Either way, I would have thought it would be easier to score points when you have the ball at the right end of the park.

    Not necessarily. The ABs have been shoddy these past few tests, however they do consistently score tries despite not having an advantage in possession or territory. This is directly related to them trying to score tries from all parts of the field - if it's on, they will go for it, even from deep in their own half. Which means they score tries more often - but also hand the ball back when it doesn't work out. So they could change their style and just rumble it endlessly, thereby improving their stats but not their points scoring as all teams struggle to score tries by "just holding onto the ball".

    Similar to the flat or deep backline. The Scots appeared to always be making ground yet sometimes they were flinging it so wide and deep that they were already 20 metres back before they started making that ground. They made few clean line breaks - often they were beating a man to be hit by the covering defenders. The AB flat line does annoy me a lot yet it did yield a fair few clean breaks which could and maybe should have ended in tries.


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