England vs BCs ODI series



  • Taylor really has had a fine career. Well played that man.

    Have a feeling that if he had been born 10 years later, he would have been a huge hit in the IPL, made much more money and possibly not even have played a test - he was a magnificent 6 hitter as a young man. Grafted like buggery to craft himself into an excellent test and ODI batsman.

    Over 6000 test runs at 48
    Over 7000 ODI runs at 45

    Santner's a lugubrious cricketer who can look bloody awful at times but he can hit a big ball ....



  • @booboo @Chris-B these blokes that come in after the fact and start critiquing the brave Ferners that put their balls on the line by posting in the heat of the moment are just the worst type of posters.



  • @no-quarter said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @booboo @Chris-B these blokes that come in after the fact and start critiquing the brave Ferners that put their balls on the line by posting in the heat of the moment are just the worst type of posters.

    Yep. Hate them.



  • @kiwipie said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    Taylor really has had a fine career. Well played that man.

    Have a feeling that if he had been born 10 years later, he would have been a huge hit in the IPL, made much more money and possibly not even have played a test - he was a magnificent 6 hitter as a young man. Grafted like buggery to craft himself into an excellent test and ODI batsman.

    Over 6000 test runs at 48
    Over 7000 ODI runs at 45

    35 International 100’s to boot.



  • All I can say is that I am glad our coach isn't as fickle as some on here and sticks it out with his team.



  • @hooroo said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    All I can say is that I am glad our coach isn't as fickle as some on here and sticks it out with his team.

    Look, another one! Just the worst... 🙂



  • Now that he's reclassified Taylor as being in his team 😁



  • @no-quarter said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @hooroo said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    All I can say is that I am glad our coach isn't as fickle as some on here and sticks it out with his team.

    Look, another one! Just the worst... 🙂

    Yep, all the wise guys turning up after the game pretending in vain that they weren't also swearing at the TV when Santner couldn't get off strike etc. 🙂



  • @donsteppa said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @no-quarter said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @hooroo said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    All I can say is that I am glad our coach isn't as fickle as some on here and sticks it out with his team.

    Look, another one! Just the worst... 🙂

    Yep, all the wise guys turning up after the game pretending in vain that they weren't also swearing at the TV when Santner couldn't get off strike etc. 🙂

    I didn't watch the game as there was good racing in HongKong. Saw the result as I went to bed



  • @hooroo said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @donsteppa said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @no-quarter said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @hooroo said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    All I can say is that I am glad our coach isn't as fickle as some on here and sticks it out with his team.

    Look, another one! Just the worst... 🙂

    Yep, all the wise guys turning up after the game pretending in vain that they weren't also swearing at the TV when Santner couldn't get off strike etc. 🙂

    I didn't watch the game as there was good racing in HongKong. Saw the result as I went to bed

    You missed the usual roller-coaster ride!



  • @donsteppa T20 aside which I couldn't give a rats about, we are a tidy team at the moment.



  • @donsteppa said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @no-quarter said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @hooroo said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    All I can say is that I am glad our coach isn't as fickle as some on here and sticks it out with his team.

    Look, another one! Just the worst... 🙂

    Yep, all the wise guys turning up after the game pretending in vain that they weren't also swearing at the TV when Santner couldn't get off strike etc. 🙂

    Never claimed I wasn't swearing or thinking we'd dragged defeat from the jaws of victory ...



  • @hooroo said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @donsteppa T20 aside which I couldn't give a rats about, we are a tidy team at the moment.

    We're not too awful at T20s either - would be interesting to see who could beat that Australian team - not so much the bowlers, but that batting line-up is capable of massive damage on any sort of batting-friendly wicket.

    We're currently ranked 4th in tests, 3rd in ODIs and 4th in T20s.



  • @chris-b said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @hooroo said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @donsteppa T20 aside which I couldn't give a rats about, we are a tidy team at the moment.

    We're not too awful at T20s either - would be interesting to see who could beat that Australian team - not so much the bowlers, but that batting line-up is capable of massive damage on any sort of batting-friendly wicket.

    We're currently ranked 4th in tests, 3rd in ODIs and 4th in T20s.

    I agree, that Aus lineup is bloody fearsome in T20s - a result of a really strong domestic competition. Whatever the rankings say, that's the side I fear the most right now.



  • @chris-b said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @hooroo said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @donsteppa T20 aside which I couldn't give a rats about, we are a tidy team at the moment.

    We're not too awful at T20s either - would be interesting to see who could beat that Australian team - not so much the bowlers, but that batting line-up is capable of massive damage on any sort of batting-friendly wicket.

    We're currently ranked 4th in tests, 3rd in ODIs and 4th in T20s.

    That's not shabby



  • @booboo said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @chris-b said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @hooroo said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @donsteppa T20 aside which I couldn't give a rats about, we are a tidy team at the moment.

    We're not too awful at T20s either - would be interesting to see who could beat that Australian team - not so much the bowlers, but that batting line-up is capable of massive damage on any sort of batting-friendly wicket.

    We're currently ranked 4th in tests, 3rd in ODIs and 4th in T20s.

    That's not shabby

    @booboo said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @chris-b said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @hooroo said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @donsteppa T20 aside which I couldn't give a rats about, we are a tidy team at the moment.

    We're not too awful at T20s either - would be interesting to see who could beat that Australian team - not so much the bowlers, but that batting line-up is capable of massive damage on any sort of batting-friendly wicket.

    We're currently ranked 4th in tests, 3rd in ODIs and 4th in T20s.

    That's not shabby

    particularly considering how few people play it, and how (relatively) poorly funded we are. When I visited the UK, I couldn't believe the money in the game. We do well to compete, let alone win against the sheer number of professionals.

    That said, Australia is on another level with cricket. Their domestic comps throw up so much talent (like the ITM/Super/Club setup in NZ), and generally iron out major weaknesses.



  • @nzzp said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @booboo said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @chris-b said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @hooroo said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @donsteppa T20 aside which I couldn't give a rats about, we are a tidy team at the moment.

    We're not too awful at T20s either - would be interesting to see who could beat that Australian team - not so much the bowlers, but that batting line-up is capable of massive damage on any sort of batting-friendly wicket.

    We're currently ranked 4th in tests, 3rd in ODIs and 4th in T20s.

    That's not shabby

    @booboo said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @chris-b said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @hooroo said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @donsteppa T20 aside which I couldn't give a rats about, we are a tidy team at the moment.

    We're not too awful at T20s either - would be interesting to see who could beat that Australian team - not so much the bowlers, but that batting line-up is capable of massive damage on any sort of batting-friendly wicket.

    We're currently ranked 4th in tests, 3rd in ODIs and 4th in T20s.

    That's not shabby

    particularly considering how few people play it, and how (relatively) poorly funded we are. When I visited the UK, I couldn't believe the money in the game. We do well to compete, let alone win against the sheer number of professionals.

    That said, Australia is on another level with cricket. Their domestic comps throw up so much talent (like the ITM/Super/Club setup in NZ), and generally iron out major weaknesses.

    Eh? Sounds like bollox to me. Aus currently are flat track bullies..... and most pitches are flat tracks. They have not had weaknesses ironed out. They just don't get tested. The same reason Guptill is a white ball legend and a red ball under performer.



  • @baron-silas-greenback said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @nzzp said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @booboo said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @chris-b said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @hooroo said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @donsteppa T20 aside which I couldn't give a rats about, we are a tidy team at the moment.

    We're not too awful at T20s either - would be interesting to see who could beat that Australian team - not so much the bowlers, but that batting line-up is capable of massive damage on any sort of batting-friendly wicket.

    We're currently ranked 4th in tests, 3rd in ODIs and 4th in T20s.

    That's not shabby

    @booboo said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @chris-b said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @hooroo said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @donsteppa T20 aside which I couldn't give a rats about, we are a tidy team at the moment.

    We're not too awful at T20s either - would be interesting to see who could beat that Australian team - not so much the bowlers, but that batting line-up is capable of massive damage on any sort of batting-friendly wicket.

    We're currently ranked 4th in tests, 3rd in ODIs and 4th in T20s.

    That's not shabby

    particularly considering how few people play it, and how (relatively) poorly funded we are. When I visited the UK, I couldn't believe the money in the game. We do well to compete, let alone win against the sheer number of professionals.

    That said, Australia is on another level with cricket. Their domestic comps throw up so much talent (like the ITM/Super/Club setup in NZ), and generally iron out major weaknesses.

    Eh? Sounds like bollox to me. Aus currently are flat track bullies..... and most pitches are flat tracks. They have not had weaknesses ironed out. They just don't get tested. The same reason Guptill is a white ball legend and a red ball under performer.

    In tests yes. In T20s.. well basically all tracks are flat and they've got serious hitting power. In ODIs they got found out by England which was interesting.



  • @no-quarter said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @baron-silas-greenback said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @nzzp said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @booboo said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @chris-b said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @hooroo said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @donsteppa T20 aside which I couldn't give a rats about, we are a tidy team at the moment.

    We're not too awful at T20s either - would be interesting to see who could beat that Australian team - not so much the bowlers, but that batting line-up is capable of massive damage on any sort of batting-friendly wicket.

    We're currently ranked 4th in tests, 3rd in ODIs and 4th in T20s.

    That's not shabby

    @booboo said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @chris-b said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @hooroo said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @donsteppa T20 aside which I couldn't give a rats about, we are a tidy team at the moment.

    We're not too awful at T20s either - would be interesting to see who could beat that Australian team - not so much the bowlers, but that batting line-up is capable of massive damage on any sort of batting-friendly wicket.

    We're currently ranked 4th in tests, 3rd in ODIs and 4th in T20s.

    That's not shabby

    particularly considering how few people play it, and how (relatively) poorly funded we are. When I visited the UK, I couldn't believe the money in the game. We do well to compete, let alone win against the sheer number of professionals.

    That said, Australia is on another level with cricket. Their domestic comps throw up so much talent (like the ITM/Super/Club setup in NZ), and generally iron out major weaknesses.

    Eh? Sounds like bollox to me. Aus currently are flat track bullies..... and most pitches are flat tracks. They have not had weaknesses ironed out. They just don't get tested. The same reason Guptill is a white ball legend and a red ball under performer.

    In tests yes. In T20s.. well basically all tracks are flat and they've got serious hitting power. In ODIs they got found out by England which was interesting.

    Sure. I was referring to the claim that the Aus domestic game irons out weaknesses. It doesn't.



  • What T20 has done is produce a current generation of batsmen who have very poor defensive technique. Even some of players who appear to have good/respectable records in test cricket. They plant their feet, have a good eye and hit through the line. If the ball comes on and is not deviating, they marmalise it. They can, and have, scored big in test cricket but also get a lot of low scores when conditions are tricky.

    Which is why England's dangerous middle to lower order appear to be a strength in test cricket when it is Bairstow, Stokes, Moeen etc but all of them don't really have the technique to survive the moving ball - hence why there collapses. Same with Australia, Mitchell Marsh is a flat track bully.

    It really stands out when you watch the likes of Root, Smith, Kane and Kohli. While Smith is unorthodox, he does know how to stay in for long periods.

    Rant over.



  • @kiwipie said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    What T20 has done is produce a current generation of batsmen who have very poor defensive technique. Even some of players who appear to have good/respectable records in test cricket. They plant their feet, have a good eye and hit through the line. If the ball comes on and is not deviating, they marmalise it. They can, and have, scored big in test cricket but also get a lot of low scores when conditions are tricky.

    Which is why England's dangerous middle to lower order appear to be a strength in test cricket when it is Bairstow, Stokes, Moeen etc but all of them don't really have the technique to survive the moving ball - hence why there collapses. Same with Australia, Mitchell Marsh is a flat track bully.

    It really stands out when you watch the likes of Root, Smith, Kane and Kohli. While Smith is unorthodox, he does know how to stay in for long periods.

    Rant over.

    You really are my favourite cricket ranter!



  • @kiwipie what gets you paid today? The ability to bat time, and play the leave? Or the ability to cream things through the line and score eye-catching 60-odds from 40?

    And honestly, when most test pitches are flat as a runway model, why would you learn to play a moving ball?



  • @KiwiPie very good summation of the state of batsmen today, and explains the feast or famine that we seem to see more regularly these days.

    I think it has hurt the appeal of test cricket a bit. Nobody wants to see teams rolled for 100, and on the flip-side nobody wants to see 600/3. But it seems if the groundsmen prepare a pitch with anything in it for the bowlers they cop it, instead of more ire being directed towards flat track bullies with shit technique. The best tests are when the batsmen have to work hard to get 350+ with a genuine battle between bat and ball - that sorts the mice from the men.



  • @mariner4life said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @kiwipie what gets you paid today? The ability to bat time, and play the leave? Or the ability to cream things through the line and score eye-catching 60-odds from 40?

    And honestly, when most test pitches are flat as a runway model, why would you learn to play a moving ball?

    Flat pitches do not prevent a bowler from swinging the ball.



  • @number-10 said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @mariner4life said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @kiwipie what gets you paid today? The ability to bat time, and play the leave? Or the ability to cream things through the line and score eye-catching 60-odds from 40?

    And honestly, when most test pitches are flat as a runway model, why would you learn to play a moving ball?

    Flat pitches do not prevent a bowler from swinging the ball.

    Swing is very different to movement off the pitch.



  • @no-quarter said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @number-10 said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @mariner4life said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    @kiwipie what gets you paid today? The ability to bat time, and play the leave? Or the ability to cream things through the line and score eye-catching 60-odds from 40?

    And honestly, when most test pitches are flat as a runway model, why would you learn to play a moving ball?

    Flat pitches do not prevent a bowler from swinging the ball.

    Swing is very different to movement off the pitch.

    Exactly, which is why flat pitches do not prevent a bowler from swinging the ball.



  • @number-10 yeah they do actually but overhead conditions mostly affect swing

    Flat wickets with little grass deteriorate the shiney side due to the friction whereas greenery preserves the ball so players can swing it for more overs
    On flat wickets the bowlers ostensibly give up on conventional swing after about 15-18 overs and start "doctoring" the ball for reverse swing. You can see this when the fielders start bouncing the ball into the keeper (you throw it so it bounces on the side you're trying rough up.)

    On green wickets, players protect the ball from bouncing and shine up one side. Keep the ball pristine for as long as possible.

    Flat wickets, rough up a side for reverse later in the innings

    The red leather dye responds best to the ball making process and generates a good shine. White and pink dyes don't hold the shine so need more lacquer during the process, that's why white and pink balls swing so much early. Add to that in Adelaide night tests they need to keep the grass longer to protect the ball which would not last 80 overs on the recent Gabba, Waca or MCG.

    A bit of grass makes for generally more compelling test these days (SA/Ind was a beauty), but seaming wickets don't generate 5 days of revenue



  • Further to all that, my original point was swing is also far easier to play than seam.



  • @no-quarter said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    Further to all that, my original point was swing is also far easier to play than seam.

    Yeah, true. You get swing and seam together and that's called Richard John Hadlee!😁



  • It is also why legspin is so popular in t20 now. Facing it takes an increased skill factor regardless of pitch.



  • Not a great start at Bay Oval. NZ 25/2 after 8 overs. Chapman and Munro both out for 1. Guptill on 17, Taylor on 4.



  • 97/5 * (28.2/50 ov) not bothering to watch it just gonna check in later on tonight, might watch the end if it becomes tight.

    Current batsmen Latham and CDG



  • 141/7 and seems like it's been a bit of a shambles.

    Rossco and CdGh have both run themselves out.

    Munro, Chapman and Nicholls have all conspired to get themselves out for 1.

    Santner and Southee (and Ferguson and Boult) left with nearly 14 overs to bat.



  • ...and now Santner and Southee engineer a third runout with a total cock-up!



  • They won't need to turn the lights on at this stage.



  • England have been pretty good but I can't recall seeing a dumber performance from a cricket team than what the Crappers have delivered today. Guptill and Taylor are meant to be senior players but wasted 50 odd balls between them. Unacceptable from those two. As for DeGrandhome and Southee, those are just unbelievably bad runouts which should never happen at this level.



  • at least we're not making it look as obvious as wandering down the wicket and not offering as shot...



  • Santner wags in the tail to make 63* - England pick up a fourth run out in the 50th over.

    I'd say we're 50 odd runs short of par.



  • Was that his highest score in ODIs?



  • @chris-b said in England vs BCs ODI series:

    Santner wags in the tail to make 63* - England pick up a fourth run out in the 50th over.

    I'd say we're 50 odd runs short of par.

    For an allrounder that is suspect with the bat Mitch is embarrassing his team mates higher up the order


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