Magpies - 2018 Mitre 10 Cup



  • Slightly corrected Hawke's Bay Saracens squad for Monday's preseason game v Wairarapa Bush:

    1 Jason Long, 2 Jacob Devery, 3 Joe Apikotoa, 4 Tom Parsons, 5 Matt Gardner, 6 Lui Luamanu, 7 Richy Hayes, 8 Hannon Brighouse, 9 Ellery Wilson, 10 Lincoln McClutchie, 11 Mason Emerson, 12 Pasqualle Dunn, 13 Sasa Tofilau, 14 Ryan Tongia, 15 Danny Toala

    Reserves: 16 Kianu Kereru-Symes, 17 Josiah Tavita-Metcalfe, 18 Pouri Rakete-Stones, 19 Chris Johnston, 20 Ben Hamelink, 21 Sam Ulufonua, 22 Folau Fakatava, 23 Tianua Poto, 24 Shae Tucker, 25 Hayden Hann, 26 Michael Buckley, 27 Mitch Drew

    And according to the HBT:

    Injured: Trent Boswell-Wakefield, Tim Farrell, Lester Maulolo, Tamati Samuels, Fa'alemiga Selesele, Josh Kaifa, JJ Taulagi, Mark Braidwood, Lucas Goodin, Aleki Vuki.

    Unavailable: Devan Flanders, Will Tremain (both with NZ 20s), Johnny Ika (Tonga A), Will McGoon (Away).



  • Half time in Featherston: HB Saracens 19 - 7 Wairarapa Bush

    HB tries: Ricky Hayes, Pasquale Dunn and Joe Apikatoa; conversion 2x Lincoln McClutchie.



  • Full time: Hawke's Bay Saracens 57 - 14 Wairarapa Bush

    Tries: Ricky Hayes, Pasquelle Dunn, Joe Apikatoa, Hayden Hann, Pouri Rakete-Stones, Michael Buckley, Folou Fakatava, Josiah Tevita-Metcalfe 2x

    Conversions: Lincoln McClutchie 4 and Tianua Poto 2.



  • That scoreline has got to be a bit worrisome considering Horowhenua did the Bush by about forty in a curtainraiser to one of the Hurricanes games a couple of weeks ago.



  • It was raining pretty heavy so that could have affect to the score line



  • More than 52 minutes long video of the preseason game between Hawke's Bay Saracens and Wairarapa Bush:

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    Highlights only:



  • Next preseason game:

    July 4 – Manawatu Evergreens v Hawke’s Bay Saracens, Sport and Rugby Institute, Palmerston North, kick-off 6pm



  • Was advised today there is an expectation Geoff Cridge ought to be available for Magpies in September.



  • @number-10 That would be awesome! He's been extremely unlucky with injuries, but I think he could become a very good lock. I hope a good season for us will give him an opportunity to get another SR contract. I'm afraid the Canes will dump him like they've done with Renton though.



  • Magpies prop Pouri Rakete-Stones is included in the Hurricanes team to play the Chiefs in a friendly at Hawera tomorrow.

    15 Chase Tiatia
    14 Julian Savea
    13 Wes Goosen
    12 Peter Umaga-Jensen
    11 Jonah Lowe
    10 Jackson Garden-Bachop
    9 Finlay Christie
    8 Gareth Evans
    7 Sam Henwood
    6 Reed Prinsep (c)
    5 Sam Lousi
    4 James Blackwell
    3 Marcel Renata
    2 James O'Reilly
    1 Fraser Armstrong

    Reserves

    16 Nathan Vella
    17 Chris Eves
    18 Pouri Rakete-Stones
    19 Michael Fatialofa
    20 Isaia Walker-Leawere
    21 Murray Douglas
    22 Du'Plessis Kirifi
    23 Jamie Booth
    24 Ihaia West
    25 Ben Lam



  • @number-10 Yeah, I noticed that. He seems to be replacing Ben May (assuming Renata replaces JTA). I wonder whether Ben is injured? It looks like PR-S is now no. 4 in the TH pecking order at the Canes. Has May re-signed yet? If my notes are correct, his Canes' contract expires after this SR season (his Magpies contract, too, after this season). He's 35 years old. It would be awesome if PR-S could score a Canes contract if he has a good M10 Cup season. Btw, Eves is 30 and Toby Smith 29. The Canes propping stocks could use some rejuvenation.



  • Tomorrow, the Hawke's Bay Saracens will play their third preseason game. Opponents this time are the Manawatu Evergreens, for whom it's the first preseason game. Venue: Sports & Rugby Institute, Palmerston North. K/o 6.00pm.

    Anyone going?

    This is the Saracens line-up:

    1 Jason Long (vc)(HRS)
    2 Jacob Devery (HRS)
    3 Joe Apikotoa (Taradale)
    4 Tom Parsons (c) (CHB)
    5 Lui Luamanu (Taradale)
    6 Hannon Brighouse (NOBM)
    7 Chris Johnston (NOBM)
    8 Solomone Funaki (MAC)
    9 Folau Fakatava (HRS)
    10 Lincoln McClutchie (Tamatea)
    11 Sebastian Visinia (Tech)
    12 Sasa Tofilau (Clive)
    13 Shae Tucker (NOBM)
    14 Mitch Drew (NOBM)
    15 JJ Taulagi (Clive)

    Reserves
    16 Ben Power (Havelock N), 17 Pouri Rakete-Stones (Pirates), 18 Mark Braidwood (Tech), 19 Sam Ulufonua (Havelock N), 20 Ricky Hayes (NOBM), 21 Tyler Symon-Burke (NOBM), 22 Will Tremain (NOBM), 23 Ellery Wilson (NOBM), 24 Tianua Poto (Clive), 25 Pasqualle Dunn (CHB), 26 Lewis Marshall (CHB), 27 Danny Toala (HRS)

    I've posted the Manawatu line-up in the Mitre 10 Cup thread.



  • Ten of those 27 have arrived in the province this year - including returnees Tom Parsons and Lewis Marshall.

    Ben Power has just arrived in.



  • @number-10 Do you know, have those who have come in from other provinces (returnees excluded) all been invited to come here and try for a Magpies spot, or have some come uninvited, just to try their luck? I understand from the HBT that Power was the 5th-ranked hooker in Wellington. It looks like we're a prime destination for other provinces' rejects or 3rd stringers.

    Is this correct?

    Joe Apikotoa - Wellington
    Tom Parsons - Manawatu returnee
    Lui Luamanu - Wellington
    Solomone Funaki - BoP
    Visinia - Auckland
    Tofilau - Auckland
    Taulagi - Sunwolves
    Ben Power - Wellington
    Ulufonua - Auckland
    Dunn - Auckland (arrived last year)
    Marshall - Manawatu returnee



  • @stargazer said in Magpies - 2018 Mitre 10 Cup:

    @number-10 Do you know, have those who have come in from other provinces (returnees excluded) all been invited to come here and try for a Magpies spot, or have some come uninvited, just to try their luck? I understand from the HBT that Power was the 5th-ranked hooker in Wellington. It looks like we're a prime destination for other provinces' rejects or 3rd stringers.

    Is this correct?

    Joe Apikotoa - Wellington
    Tom Parsons - Manawatu returnee
    Lui Luamanu - Wellington
    Solomone Funaki - BoP
    Visinia - Auckland
    Tofilau - Auckland
    Taulagi - Sunwolves
    Ben Power - Wellington
    Ulufonua - Auckland
    Marshall - Manawatu returnee

    Yes, you've got them right.

    The ones in bold played Mitre 10 Cup last year.

    Taulagi is the only one with a Magpies contract. The others have been invited to come and try their luck. If they don't secure a Magpies contract this year they, no doubt, will be elsewhere in 2019. In retrospect, the Vaega brothers coming here last year was a waste of time - just one year here and then gone. So am not quite sure if the influx of hopefuls is a good thing or not.

    Having watched a lot of club rugby I think the level of club rugby this year has probably been lifted, which is, of course, a good thing, coupled wth more players to choose from in certain positions.

    But with our Super Rugby players to come back, I also think a few of last year's debutants should be persevered with, like Tim Farrell, Pouri Rakete-Stones, Jacob Devery.

    And, I have said it before, I reckon halfback Folau Fakatava is worthy of a Magpies contract this year in his first year out of school.



  • If Ben Power was really interested in playing his way into the Magpies he should have shown the commitment and desire to represent the Bay and come right at the start of the Club season rather than turning up at the last minute. Smacks of "Oh hell, I've got no show of making the Wellington Team after all, who will have me and where can I go to earn a bit of coin". We seem to be becoming the haven or last resort call for people that can't make it elsewhere, eg that guy that was on the fringe of BoP turning up here and what look like being railroaded into the Magpies when in reality he was just a squad member at BoP that got limited game time at best.

    Having said that Ben Power is a reasonable player, but ITM Cup level - it remains to be seen.



  • @stargazer What about Josh Kaifa is he still around?



  • @kiwimatrix He got injured (ankle) during the preseason game against Tasman a while ago. I don't think he has returned from that injury yet.



  • Keep your fingers crossed, say your prayers, or whatever works for you, that this isn't a good Magpies prospect who got injured. Please, no repeat of the last two seasons with all those injuries. Whoever the player is, I wish him all the best.



  • @stargazer Somebody wrote on Instagram it was Will Tremain with the serious injury.



  • @kiwimatrix Damn. After all the injuries he's already had. Really unlucky. Hope it isn't a season-ending injury.



  • According to this morning's match report in the Hawke's Bay Today the Saracens were down to 14 players due to numerous injuries when Tremain got injured.

    Ten of the players will not play for their club this weekend due to their injuries in this match.



  • Manawatu thugs



  • Geez, 10 injuries.

    From the HBT article below:

    "When the ambulance came on for Will Tremain in the 70th minute we were down to 14 players. It was a physical game and while we had a lot of injuries Manawatu had nothing major. That can be the nature of the beast when it comes to rugby," Ozich said.
    
    Substitute flanker Tremain was taken to hospital with a suspected broken leg. He had a huge gash from his knee down to his ankle.
    
    Prop Joe Apikotoa will be sidelined for three to four weeks with a knee injury. Flanker Ricky Hayes will be out for a similar period with a shoulder injury.
    
    Locks Tom Parsons and Lui Luamanu will be sidelined for up to four weeks with respective shin and knee injuries. First five-eighth Lincoln McClutchie has a groin injury and will be sidelined for two weeks.
    
    Utility back Danny Toala and lock Sam Ulufonua will both be out of action for two to three weeks with ankle injuries and winger Mitch Drew and No 8 Solomone Funaki face at least two weeks with spectator roles after collecting calf and hip injuries respectively.
    



  • WTF! We can add injuries to the list of shitty Palmy things.



  • Two videos of the preseason game between the Saracens and Manawatu Evergreens.
    Unfortunately, they positioned the camera wrong, so you can't see tries scored in the corners.

    First, long video (42 min), with sound from referee mic:

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    Second, highlights video (11 min):



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  • Preseason games this Saturday.

    Hawke's Bay Saracens v King Country
    Magpies v Waikato

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  • I understand the Magpies squad will be announced on Wednesday, 8 August, at 11.30am.

    It will be livestreamed; probably on their Facebook page.



  • You can count into the squad all the "arrivals from outside" that have been playing club rugby this year.



  • I heard that the arrivals weren’t confirmed a contract, they had to prove they were better than the players in Hawkes bay. I think that is fair if they prove their worth



  • Does anyone know how old this bird is? It seems to have been around for ages!

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  • I know that it was paraded during the 60's Shield era, so at least that old. @Higgins probably knows...



  • @stargazer said in Magpies - 2018 Mitre 10 Cup:

    Does anyone know how old this bird is? It seems to have been around for ages!

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    Hawkeye's debut was the unsuccessful 1965 Ranfurly Shield challenge v Taranaki at New Plymouth.



  • @number-10 He debuted at an away game! That's impressive, that would have been a decent drive back in those days.



  • Magpies squad for the preseason game against Waikato @ Owen Delany Park, Taupo - K/o 1.30pm:

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    Hawke's Bay Saracens squad for their preseason game against King Country @ Owen Delany Park, Taupo - K/o 12.00pm:

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  • Apparently, the HBRU have signed another import: Stacey Ily. I'm struggling to get this "my team" feeling with all these non-Bay players in the squad. I get that they want a strong squad and that there may not be enough local players that are up to it, but do they have the balance right?



  • Philpott went for the local team and we have only won 4 games in 2 years. If it gets results, that’s better than no results



  • @footy01 said in Magpies - 2018 Mitre 10 Cup:

    Philpott went for the local team and we have only won 4 games in 2 years. If it gets results, that’s better than no results

    Not really.



  • It sounds like some locals did make the squad: Michael Buckley and Shae Tucker.


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