All Blacks v France Test #1



  • @majorrage so what your saying is there is a lack of consistency in the issuing of penalties, YC's, RC's, Citing and the handing down of punishments... 🤔



  • @taniwharugby yeah ... not exactly breaking news ....



  • @majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    Well, both sides have a point which is why it’s goimg on.

    Finally seen it on realtime, clear accident, although Cane was high so yellow not out of the equation.

    The issue is thst players up north have been cited
    and banned for what looks like less.

    Same in Super Rugby as well. If you are comparing the NH comps to tests then perhaps the starting point should be comparison to an equivalent SH comp.
    Then you can move on to comments of inconsistency with application when the game moves to test matches.
    Where are the comparative international bannings?
    The trouble with having the necessary 'grey areas' in a dynamic game is that it opens up interpretation by the punters which can wildly differ and/or be influenced by media



  • @crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    @majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    Well, both sides have a point which is why it’s goimg on.

    Finally seen it on realtime, clear accident, although Cane was high so yellow not out of the equation.

    The issue is thst players up north have been cited
    and banned for what looks like less.

    Same in Super Rugby as well. If you are comparing the NH comps to tests then perhaps the starting point should be comparison to an equivalent SH comp.
    Then you can move on to comments of inconsistency with application when the game moves to test matches.
    Where are the comparative international bannings?
    The trouble with having the necessary 'grey areas' in a dynamic game is that it opens up interpretation by the punters which can wildly differ and/or be influenced by media

    No, I don't agree with that. Senior rugby across all levels should apply the same rules.



  • @majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    @crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    @majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    Well, both sides have a point which is why it’s goimg on.

    Finally seen it on realtime, clear accident, although Cane was high so yellow not out of the equation.

    The issue is thst players up north have been cited
    and banned for what looks like less.

    Same in Super Rugby as well. If you are comparing the NH comps to tests then perhaps the starting point should be comparison to an equivalent SH comp.
    Then you can move on to comments of inconsistency with application when the game moves to test matches.
    Where are the comparative international bannings?
    The trouble with having the necessary 'grey areas' in a dynamic game is that it opens up interpretation by the punters which can wildly differ and/or be influenced by media

    No, I don't agree with that. Senior rugby across all levels should apply the same rules.

    I agree. I just think that across the board we have seen differences at levels and that is not helping the comparisons of events.
    Test rugby is played faster and refs (especially those from the NH) aren't keeping up as well. That is leading to some on field errors and situations out of the norm. When the ABs play an even faster more dynamic game this chance of initial error increases even more.



  • @crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    @majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    @crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    @majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    Well, both sides have a point which is why it’s goimg on.

    Finally seen it on realtime, clear accident, although Cane was high so yellow not out of the equation.

    The issue is thst players up north have been cited
    and banned for what looks like less.

    Same in Super Rugby as well. If you are comparing the NH comps to tests then perhaps the starting point should be comparison to an equivalent SH comp.
    Then you can move on to comments of inconsistency with application when the game moves to test matches.
    Where are the comparative international bannings?
    The trouble with having the necessary 'grey areas' in a dynamic game is that it opens up interpretation by the punters which can wildly differ and/or be influenced by media

    No, I don't agree with that. Senior rugby across all levels should apply the same rules.

    I agree. I just think that across the board we have seen differences at levels and that is not helping the comparisons of events.
    Test rugby is played faster and refs (especially those from the NH) aren't keeping up as well. That is leading to some on field errors and situations out of the norm. When the ABs play an even faster more dynamic game this chance of initial error increases even more.

    You raise a good point about some NH refs struggling with the pace of the SH game. Why do we get so many of them in charge of our matches? No doubt some of the stuff they miss is purely because they aren't used to the pace. Unless some of the NH refs come down to acclimatise in Super rugby the problem will continue. What about two refs?



  • @canefan said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    @crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    @majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    @crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    @majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    Well, both sides have a point which is why it’s goimg on.

    Finally seen it on realtime, clear accident, although Cane was high so yellow not out of the equation.

    The issue is thst players up north have been cited
    and banned for what looks like less.

    Same in Super Rugby as well. If you are comparing the NH comps to tests then perhaps the starting point should be comparison to an equivalent SH comp.
    Then you can move on to comments of inconsistency with application when the game moves to test matches.
    Where are the comparative international bannings?
    The trouble with having the necessary 'grey areas' in a dynamic game is that it opens up interpretation by the punters which can wildly differ and/or be influenced by media

    No, I don't agree with that. Senior rugby across all levels should apply the same rules.

    I agree. I just think that across the board we have seen differences at levels and that is not helping the comparisons of events.
    Test rugby is played faster and refs (especially those from the NH) aren't keeping up as well. That is leading to some on field errors and situations out of the norm. When the ABs play an even faster more dynamic game this chance of initial error increases even more.

    You raise a good point about some NH refs struggling with the pace of the SH game. Why do we get so many of them in charge of our matches? No doubt some of the stuff they miss is purely because they aren't used to the pace. Unless some of the NH refs come down to acclimatise in Super rugby the problem will continue. What about two refs?

    What a load of shit.

    Shit refs are shit refs no matter where they're from. And there are plenty in both the NH and SH



  • @mikethesnow said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    @canefan said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    @crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    @majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    @crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    @majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    Well, both sides have a point which is why it’s goimg on.

    Finally seen it on realtime, clear accident, although Cane was high so yellow not out of the equation.

    The issue is thst players up north have been cited
    and banned for what looks like less.

    Same in Super Rugby as well. If you are comparing the NH comps to tests then perhaps the starting point should be comparison to an equivalent SH comp.
    Then you can move on to comments of inconsistency with application when the game moves to test matches.
    Where are the comparative international bannings?
    The trouble with having the necessary 'grey areas' in a dynamic game is that it opens up interpretation by the punters which can wildly differ and/or be influenced by media

    No, I don't agree with that. Senior rugby across all levels should apply the same rules.

    I agree. I just think that across the board we have seen differences at levels and that is not helping the comparisons of events.
    Test rugby is played faster and refs (especially those from the NH) aren't keeping up as well. That is leading to some on field errors and situations out of the norm. When the ABs play an even faster more dynamic game this chance of initial error increases even more.

    You raise a good point about some NH refs struggling with the pace of the SH game. Why do we get so many of them in charge of our matches? No doubt some of the stuff they miss is purely because they aren't used to the pace. Unless some of the NH refs come down to acclimatise in Super rugby the problem will continue. What about two refs?

    What a load of shit.

    Shit refs are shit refs no matter where they're from. And there are plenty in both the NH and SH

    The English ref in game 1 had a decent game I thought. Then made 3 poor calls. I wasn't paying attention to the positioning of the ref at that time,.



  • @mikethesnow we do regularly notice that some NH refs are not used to the faster pace in tests involving SH teams though. This doesn’t happen with SH refs (even the shit ones) as to get to the point of reffing tests they have to prove themselves in the fast pace of Super Rugby
    The red last weekend was, at times, noticeably unable to keep up. Even had players comment on it on field as he would look for a breather when they wanted the penalty mark to be made.



  • @canefan said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    @mikethesnow said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    @canefan said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    @crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    @majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    @crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    @majorrage said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    Well, both sides have a point which is why it’s goimg on.

    Finally seen it on realtime, clear accident, although Cane was high so yellow not out of the equation.

    The issue is thst players up north have been cited
    and banned for what looks like less.

    Same in Super Rugby as well. If you are comparing the NH comps to tests then perhaps the starting point should be comparison to an equivalent SH comp.
    Then you can move on to comments of inconsistency with application when the game moves to test matches.
    Where are the comparative international bannings?
    The trouble with having the necessary 'grey areas' in a dynamic game is that it opens up interpretation by the punters which can wildly differ and/or be influenced by media

    No, I don't agree with that. Senior rugby across all levels should apply the same rules.

    I agree. I just think that across the board we have seen differences at levels and that is not helping the comparisons of events.
    Test rugby is played faster and refs (especially those from the NH) aren't keeping up as well. That is leading to some on field errors and situations out of the norm. When the ABs play an even faster more dynamic game this chance of initial error increases even more.

    You raise a good point about some NH refs struggling with the pace of the SH game. Why do we get so many of them in charge of our matches? No doubt some of the stuff they miss is purely because they aren't used to the pace. Unless some of the NH refs come down to acclimatise in Super rugby the problem will continue. What about two refs?

    What a load of shit.

    Shit refs are shit refs no matter where they're from. And there are plenty in both the NH and SH

    The English ref in game 1 had a decent game I thought. Then made 3 poor calls. I wasn't paying attention to the positioning of the ref at that time,.

    As I wrote after the match, the ref made a mistake by carding the French player and then made another mistake by not going upstairs.

    On both occasions he was right on the spot and not out of breath.

    He was just shit.



  • But he did say 'you'll just have to wait for me ' when Smith was rushing for a quick tap, which is not good enough. Maybe he was still pissed at him for being so gobby shite.



  • @machpants Aaron Smith was hoping he'd catch the French out like he did the HUrricanes the week before



  • Aaron Smith trying to take a quick free kick in the general vicinity before the mark has even been made? No way, i can't believe it.

    Don't recall the incident, but it sounds like refereeing that is right up my alley. I'm liking Pearce more and more .....



  • I can't be a fan of a ref that wants the game played at his pace.



  • I'm not a fan of refs that let halfbacks mark their own penalty spot. That sort of refereeing makes for the softest of defenceless tries.



  • If a halfback takes a quick tap from the wrong spot, he can call it back - but he shouldn't be saying "don't".



  • Just to open up the wounds ...



  • @booboo a near death experience can take some healing.



  • @booboo Loving this from the French. After decades of eye-gouging, biting, testicle maiming and laughably bad on-field theatrics, it will be approximately 100 years until the ledger can be considered balanced. Woe-is-fucking-me.



  • @marty said in All Blacks v France Test #1:

    @booboo Loving this from the French. After decades of eye-gouging, biting, testicle maiming and laughably bad on-field theatrics, it will be approximately 100 years until the ledger can be considered balanced. Woe-is-fucking-me.

    It's not just from the French. The whinging from the neutrals on social media has been beyond ridiculous. The fact that their teams weren't even involved makes it all the more pathetic.