All Blacks v France Test 3



  • @mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    there is definitely a spot open there. Of all of them i think Nanai has the most physical gifts, but he, like the last wing/FB from the Blues whose name completely escapes me, has just stalled in his development just below Super Rugby standard.

    Visinia?



  • I think after a few more weeks of SR, esp some finals action, wing positions will start to firm up.



  • @duluth said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    there is definitely a spot open there. Of all of them i think Nanai has the most physical gifts, but he, like the last wing/FB from the Blues whose name completely escapes me, has just stalled in his development just below Super Rugby standard.

    Visinia?

    yea, that's him! That boy could move! Where is he now? Japan?



  • @mariner4life Playing for FC Grenoble in French D2. They have been promoted to the top division again next year.



  • @mariner4life

    France

    I think Nanai has been far better than him at SR level

    If you go back to 2016, plenty of non Blues fans were suggesting him as an outside chance of making the AB's. That was the year he played for the Baabaas at Twickers and went well (Greenwood was a coach and thought he was next AB winger)

    He's got himself offside with the franchise coach since then.

    I would not be surprised if he had success immediately at another franchise



  • @duluth said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @mariner4life

    France

    I think Nanai has been far better than him at SR level

    If you go back to 2016 plenty of non Blues fans were suggesting him as an outside chance of making the AB's. I think that was the year be played for the Baabaas at Twickers and went well (Greenwood was a coach and thought he was next AB winger)

    He's goten himself offside with the franchise coach since then.

    I would not be surprised if he had success immediately at another franchise

    he seems to have to have the tools. I wonder what his mental application and work ethic is like? His basic skill set ticks a lot of boxes, but he is a long way from the required standard at the moment. As you say, a new franchise (or a new coach) looks essential if he is to do anything with his career in NZ



  • @tim you have to wonder with Naholo well out of touch, if Lam keeps his form up (assuming the canes make the finals) he might be a chance for the power wing spot?

    Ioane & Naholo swapped wings for a period last night too didnt they?



  • @duluth Didn't he get called up to train with the ABs too?



  • @mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    he seems to have to have the tools. I wonder what his mental application and work ethic is like?

    Not great if the rumours are correct. He's not going to fix that where he is (well, not until 2020 at the earliest)



  • @tim

    I think so? I recall there was a few injuries and that's when people on here started mentioning him as the next in line

    He's miles away from that now



  • @Tim I think Alaimalo has the most potential going forward (getting him in soon) ... but probably needs to get out of the Chiefs, the ABs have never been that fond of what the Chiefs wings can bring (Randle, Lowe etc).

    In form Nanai looked the business too and maybe it is worth giving Lam a shot.



  • @mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @tim there is definitely a spot open there. Of all of them i think Nanai has the most physical gifts, but he, like the last wing/FB from the Blues whose name completely escapes me, has just stalled in his development just below Super Rugby standard.

    Who would have thought NZ would be scratching around for a winger? What are Goodhue's wheels like?

    More so than Lam?



  • @mn5 said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @tim there is definitely a spot open there. Of all of them i think Nanai has the most physical gifts, but he, like the last wing/FB from the Blues whose name completely escapes me, has just stalled in his development just below Super Rugby standard.

    Who would have thought NZ would be scratching around for a winger? What are Goodhue's wheels like?

    More so than Lam?

    yes.



  • @rocky-rockbottom said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @victor-meldrew said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    He need to focus on becoming as accurate, consistent and disciplined as SBW or Nonu c. 2006.

    haha, Voltron and his DMac Stockholm Syndrome contagion claims another

    Anyone who didn’t see what I saw last night is just a hater



  • We must remark that this very poor French outfit and the weakest AB team for decades (on paper) have produced the most entertaining game of the season so far.



  • @mariner4life on Franks, I wouldn't say he's a waste of space ball in hand, he's actually very very good at distribution. Just doesn't have the application to leg drive in the tackle, which is really odd.



  • Havent fully read the thread yet but some thoughts.

    Predictable outcome. ABs prefer to play the game at pace so playing under the roof with the fastest distributing halfback in rugby against a French team playing their last game of a long season in a dead rubber.

    So a very much improved performance but given the factors above wouldnt read too much into it.

    DMac really showed his stuff at times. He looked best when he rain straight, commited defenders and distributed. I reckon his best play was covering back in the first half in the far corner to stop a French try scoring chance. However, the game was perfectly suited to his strengths (see above) so whilst a much better performance than test 2 he is still a work in progress.

    SBW worked his way into the game excellently but like Crotty he cant stay fit - i'd like to see Jordie get some more time at 12.

    Goodhue got better as the game went on but given the hype probably underwhelmed. Of course for a debut thats fine but a reminder he will need time.

    A Smith much better and Rieko showed why he is the best winger in the world and looked super comfortable on the right wing second half.

    Scott Barrett just sensational. Probably the biggest positive out of the series for me. Has really come on.

    Frizell showed some glimpses, such as the power for his 'almost' try. The open style of the game probably suited him. Worth continuing to develop I think.

    Really good bench impact from Ofa, Todd, Hemopo and as mentioned Jordie.

    Fofana is fun to watch - classy player when he clicks.

    I cant believe no one in the reffing team picked up Luke Whitelock's knock on at the back of the scrum before one of Rieko's tries. Really poor.



  • @duluth said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @mariner4life

    France

    I think Nanai has been far better than him at SR level

    If you go back to 2016 plenty of non Blues fans were suggesting him as an outside chance of making the AB's. I think that was the year be played for the Baabaas at Twickers and went well (Greenwood was a coach and thought he was next AB winger)

    He's goten himself offside with the franchise coach since then.

    I would not be surprised if he had success immediately at another franchise

    Unfortunately in 2017 he got dicked around when Tana preferred the plodding communicator collins.
    I think that and his injury this year has seriously dented his development.

    Still woukdn't surprise me to see Lam become a one season wonder. Heaps of gas and a good finisher but i don't think he has the skills of Ioane or Naholo.







  • @kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    I’m not suggesting dmac replace beaudy, far from it ,

    But it is worth noting he gave our backline a different shape last night

    Yes but....that was only because our bloody pack fronted this week



  • @gt12 I noticed Whitelock running some very Readish lines, those hard hitting unders. Something to ponder about just what that does to the defensive line.



  • @bones

    Yeah, it's a good point, because from one of those hard straight runs, we got well over the gain line and attacked super wide. Probably a pretty good example of how opportunities usually arise from some simple good execution in the previous phase(s).



  • @mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @duluth said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @mariner4life

    France

    I think Nanai has been far better than him at SR level

    If you go back to 2016 plenty of non Blues fans were suggesting him as an outside chance of making the AB's. I think that was the year be played for the Baabaas at Twickers and went well (Greenwood was a coach and thought he was next AB winger)

    He's goten himself offside with the franchise coach since then.

    I would not be surprised if he had success immediately at another franchise

    he seems to have to have the tools. I wonder what his mental application and work ethic is like? His basic skill set ticks a lot of boxes, but he is a long way from the required standard at the moment. As you say, a new franchise (or a new coach) looks essential if he is to do anything with his career in NZ

    We'll gladly take Nanai off your hands at the Chiefs...and any more discards you want to throw our way



  • @shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @duluth said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @mariner4life

    France

    I think Nanai has been far better than him at SR level

    If you go back to 2016 plenty of non Blues fans were suggesting him as an outside chance of making the AB's. I think that was the year be played for the Baabaas at Twickers and went well (Greenwood was a coach and thought he was next AB winger)

    He's goten himself offside with the franchise coach since then.

    I would not be surprised if he had success immediately at another franchise

    he seems to have to have the tools. I wonder what his mental application and work ethic is like? His basic skill set ticks a lot of boxes, but he is a long way from the required standard at the moment. As you say, a new franchise (or a new coach) looks essential if he is to do anything with his career in NZ

    We'll gladly take Nanai off your hands at the Chiefs...and any more discards you want to throw our way

    Foe sure, Alaimalo, Nanai, Stevenson as a back three would be very Super Rugby awesome.



  • @shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    I’m not suggesting dmac replace beaudy, far from it ,

    But it is worth noting he gave our backline a different shape last night

    Yes but....that was only because our bloody pack fronted this week

    It was heartening to see our pack play more direct in the game. That period culminating in the try not given to Frizell was brilliant



  • @shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @duluth said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @mariner4life

    France

    I think Nanai has been far better than him at SR level

    If you go back to 2016 plenty of non Blues fans were suggesting him as an outside chance of making the AB's. I think that was the year be played for the Baabaas at Twickers and went well (Greenwood was a coach and thought he was next AB winger)

    He's goten himself offside with the franchise coach since then.

    I would not be surprised if he had success immediately at another franchise

    he seems to have to have the tools. I wonder what his mental application and work ethic is like? His basic skill set ticks a lot of boxes, but he is a long way from the required standard at the moment. As you say, a new franchise (or a new coach) looks essential if he is to do anything with his career in NZ

    We'll gladly take Nanai off your hands at the Chiefs...and any more discards you want to throw our way

    We'll? Your? Where do you think I'm from?



  • @mariner4life North Queensland.



  • @bones said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @mariner4life North Queensland.

    Nailed it bruss



  • @mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @bones said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @mariner4life North Queensland.

    Nailed it bruss

    D'yall have six fingers and toes?



  • @shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    I’m not suggesting dmac replace beaudy, far from it ,

    But it is worth noting he gave our backline a different shape last night

    Yes but....that was only because our bloody pack fronted this week

    It allowed him to play better , yes ,

    But i was talking about his passing game gave us a different look



  • @pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    Not like Kaino was fast.

    JK was not a bad sprinter at school.



  • @mn5 said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @bones said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    Did remind me though. Is Franks that bad at taking the ball up that they have just given up on working with him? He's dropping to the floor at the slightest hint of a tackle and never attempts any kind of leg drive. Surely the coaches can improve that easily?

    I remember chatting with old fern mate Red Beard about this. It is a mystery why someone so strong in the gym ( particularly at Olympic style lifting ) has all the impact of a fly hitting a windshield when taking the ball up. If it hasn't improved by now I doubt it ever will.

    Most of the guys you speak of are very slow at point of impact , hard to generate that type of power when you are hardly moving



  • @pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    Not like Kaino was fast.

    JK was not a bad sprinter at school.

    And from 2011-2015 when he was at his rugby peak?
    His running speed would be well down the list of attributes i would use to describe Kaino.
    It may never happen anyway but lack of speed is a silly reason for saying Barrett couldn't cover 6.
    I would much prefer that than Fifita covering lock.



  • The closest historic example of refereeing interference.

    Wales v South Africa 2011 RWC, Wayne Barnes blazes the trail for the runner 🙂 No physical contact made though. The try stood.

    Wayne Barnes 'obstruction'



  • @pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @pakman said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @pukunui said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    Not like Kaino was fast.

    JK was not a bad sprinter at school.

    And from 2011-2015 when he was at his rugby peak?
    His running speed would be well down the list of attributes i would use to describe Kaino.
    It may never happen anyway but lack of speed is a silly reason for saying Barrett couldn't cover 6.
    I would much prefer that than Fifita covering lock.

    The equation for kinetic energy is half mass times velocity squared i.e. much more dependent on speed than size.



  • @shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @duluth said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    @mariner4life

    France

    I think Nanai has been far better than him at SR level

    If you go back to 2016 plenty of non Blues fans were suggesting him as an outside chance of making the AB's. I think that was the year be played for the Baabaas at Twickers and went well (Greenwood was a coach and thought he was next AB winger)

    He's goten himself offside with the franchise coach since then.

    I would not be surprised if he had success immediately at another franchise

    he seems to have to have the tools. I wonder what his mental application and work ethic is like? His basic skill set ticks a lot of boxes, but he is a long way from the required standard at the moment. As you say, a new franchise (or a new coach) looks essential if he is to do anything with his career in NZ

    We'll gladly take Nanai off your hands at the Chiefs...and any more discards you want to throw our way

    The poor Blues. We're already taking the Ioane off their hands because Fern favourite Blake Gibson is a bully. 😉



  • More gifs, I've discovered a new toy. But I'm struggling with embedding them on here .....

    Serin movement before ball is out
    Serin movement before ball is out
    You can see that Lacey has finished refereeing the scrum and now wants to back out of the way towards the French posts, but Serin has moved too soon and is blocking him.

    It's hard to exonerate a ref who has got in the way, but it looks to me like he is doing an orthodox move.

    Interestingly I don't think Lacey himself really knew the law on 'refereeing obstruction' judging by the question he asked the TMO. To be fair not many did, including myself.

    Alternative angle
    Alternative angle

    If Smith had dummied and gone himself - while the lossies were out of the picture, I think he would have been tackled before the line by the cover defence, McKenzie was hitting that at pace. Smart play by Smith.!



  • @rapido said in All Blacks v France Test 3:

    More gifs, I've discovered a new toy. But I'm struggling with embedding them on here .....

    You were just missing the .gif on those links



  • That's a perfect attack. Scrum wheeled to take the loosies out. Halfback isolated by a beautiful unders line at pace by DMac, and SBW/Ioane holding their width. The only thing you can really hammer the French for is the fullback committing to go right far too early, worried about SBW and an offload? Beautiful piece of rugby.


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