Le Tour 2018



  • Big news blokes, a kiwi is currently leading the King of the Mountain. Don't google why, just embrace our first ever leaders jersey.

    Sagan is leading. I love Sagan, he's amazing.

    The sprint speeds are fucking incredible



  • Some early gaps in the GC leaderboard that will get eaten away as the days progress but it is better to have some time up than be chasing.
    No doubt Sky will be targeting the team TT to get Froome back up but some will be happy the opportunity to put him out in a lead and protect it has diminished.



  • Not a lot clawed back for Froome in the Team TT.

    The GC starting to take some shape now with the likes of Van Garderen, Thomas, Dumolin within 10 seconds. A gap back to around a minute to Porte, Valverde, Yates, Nibali, Froome

    Edit: and of course NZ still holds King of the Mountain!



  • Patrick Bevin just won a stage which is quite cool for little ole NZ.

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  • @hooroo that is more than enough to update the famous people thread!! On ya bike!



  • @hooroo said in Le Tour 2018:

    Patrick Bevin just won a stage which is quite cool for little ole NZ.

    tenuous link Used to date his sister tenuous link

    how old's his sister??! must be a shitload older than him then?



  • King of the Mountain still with NZ! (flat stage)

    Only interest today was whether Sagan would keep the points jersey, which he has.



  • @williethewaiter said in Le Tour 2018:

    @hooroo said in Le Tour 2018:

    Patrick Bevin just won a stage which is quite cool for little ole NZ.

    tenuous link Used to date his sister tenuous link

    how old's his sister??! must be a shitload older than him then?

    He's actually a triplet with the other two being sisters. Yes, I dated his older sister.



  • @crucial said in Le Tour 2018:

    King of the Mountain still with NZ! (flat stage)

    Only interest today was whether Sagan would keep the points jersey, which he has.

    everyone focused on Smith keeping the jersey - but keeping it by a 9th place finish on a pure sprinters stage in the TDF isn't exactly something to be sneezed at.. is actually one of our best ever results..

    when you consider guys like Cav couldn't even get a top 20 finish!



  • A good finish to the stage after the leading 4 riders were caught with ~1 km to go. You could see Smith's polka dot jersey behind Sagan.



  • The cobbles were fun last night, with one GC contender gone (maybe 2?) and serious dents put in to a couple of others. Just fucking carnage everywhere.

    Rest day today, and then the real race begins tomorrow.



  • Porte gone again poor bastard. but from a selfish nz perspective it's awesome because it means that Paddy Bevin will have a chance to go for a stage win now that his team has no leader..
    will be looking for him to get in a break later in the tour and if he's in a break come near the finish he'll be nz's best ever chance of winning a stage - he's a VERY good sprinter.. and the best thing is he's not really well known as a sprinter so won't be marked as much



  • @williethewaiter said in Le Tour 2018:

    Porte gone again poor bastard. but from a selfish nz perspective it's awesome because it means that Paddy Bevin will have a chance to go for a stage win now that his team has no leader..
    will be looking for him to get in a break later in the tour and if he's in a break come near the finish he'll be nz's best ever chance of winning a stage - he's a VERY good sprinter.. and the best thing is he's not really well known as a sprinter so won't be marked as much

    Can we bet on that anywhere?



  • A bit shit for Porte. This tour doesn't have a lot of love for him. His former teammate on the other hand has a charmed life.



  • @hooroo said in Le Tour 2018:

    @williethewaiter said in Le Tour 2018:

    Porte gone again poor bastard. but from a selfish nz perspective it's awesome because it means that Paddy Bevin will have a chance to go for a stage win now that his team has no leader..
    will be looking for him to get in a break later in the tour and if he's in a break come near the finish he'll be nz's best ever chance of winning a stage - he's a VERY good sprinter.. and the best thing is he's not really well known as a sprinter so won't be marked as much

    Can we bet on that anywhere?

    not just a general 'will an nzer win a stage' bet you'd have to pick an individual stage.

    mind you only saying that from a TAB perspective... i'm an amateur punter!



  • Should be fun viewing tonight, 3 x Cat 1 climbs, and one HC



  • @mariner4life I rode this stage last week and it's tough. The HC climb is only 6 km but averages 11% and the road is not that wide. I wouldn't be surprised if there are GC gaps especially after the amount of energy both physical and mental that was expended on the cobbles.



  • @scribe said in Le Tour 2018:

    @mariner4life I rode this stage last week and it's tough. The HC climb is only 6 km but averages 11% and the road is not that wide. I wouldn't be surprised if there are GC gaps especially after the amount of energy both physical and mental that was expended on the cobbles.

    that's fucking cool! i noticed at one point speeds dropped to 10km per hour, which probably means at the point i would be off my bike and pushing

    Now, this comment is based purely on the part i watched to the top of the HC climb, but is this tour just going to be like what feels like the last 10, with Sky sitting on the front of the peleton in a group, and just dictating terms?

    Loved Van Avermaet having a crack to hold on to yellow for another day.



  • @scribe said in Le Tour 2018:

    @mariner4life I rode this stage last week and it's tough. The HC climb is only 6 km but averages 11% and the road is not that wide. I wouldn't be surprised if there are GC gaps especially after the amount of energy both physical and mental that was expended on the cobbles.

    That was L'Etape I am guessing? A friend of mine who I cycle with regularly did it as well, he's no slouch and got round in 9.5 hours......TDF winner yday did it in 4hrs 25!! Goes to show what a different level these guys are compared to weekend warriors. A 4hr+ average of 350W or something...



  • Not surprisingly, after last night's stage, Thomas and Froome are first and second and Sky has an iron grip on the race.

    What is good news (hopefully) is that George Bennett's Lotto Jumbo team mates, Primoz Roglic and Steven Kruijswijk are in 5th and 6th and have been pretty competitive. If you add in Robert Gesink, who can climb - Lotto Jumbo could potentially put out a really strong team for next year's TdF - hopefully with George as team leader.



  • The Tour is now over with half of it to go. Fucking Sky are just too strong, everyone else is playing for stages and the minor jerseys. Again. Well, King of the Mountains, because only the officials can stop Sagan for the Green.



  • @mariner4life and michelton scott must be feeling like a massive bunch of twats for chucking all their eggs in the yates basket and him being one of the first out the back today.
    they've just signed him and his brother on massive contracts.. they'll be spewing.
    stupid to leave their sprinter at home



  • @williethewaiter couple of contenders surprisingly spat out the back very early in teh mountains



  • @chris-b said in Le Tour 2018:

    Not surprisingly, after last night's stage, Thomas and Froome are first and second and Sky has an iron grip on the race.

    What is good news (hopefully) is that George Bennett's Lotto Jumbo team mates, Primoz Roglic and Steven Kruijswijk are in 5th and 6th and have been pretty competitive. If you add in Robert Gesink, who can climb - Lotto Jumbo could potentially put out a really strong team for next year's TdF - hopefully with George as team leader.

    Is it just me or does Thomas look like the second best rider in the tour yet again? Shame that we can't see those two battle it out.



  • @tewaio said in Le Tour 2018:

    @scribe said in Le Tour 2018:

    @mariner4life I rode this stage last week and it's tough. The HC climb is only 6 km but averages 11% and the road is not that wide. I wouldn't be surprised if there are GC gaps especially after the amount of energy both physical and mental that was expended on the cobbles.

    That was L'Etape I am guessing? A friend of mine who I cycle with regularly did it as well, he's no slouch and got round in 9.5 hours......TDF winner yday did it in 4hrs 25!! Goes to show what a different level these guys are compared to weekend warriors. A 4hr+ average of 350W or something...

    Yes it was le etape du tour. I’m an average club cyclist and got around in 8.5 hours. It was hot (40 degrees on the road according to my Garmin) and as tough as expected, though I approached it this time from the point of completing rather than competing. These guys did it 4 hours quicker and maintain the same intensity for 3 weeks. It’s just insane! When I did I the etape a couple of years, the guy who got the quickest time on that stage that day was an ex-pro. When the peloton did the stage a few days later (Stage 18/21), his time would’ve been good enough for dead last (including all the sprinters in the grupetto just hanging out or Paris).

    Thomas is just about my favourite cyclist so was really happy for him yesterday. He typically has one very bad day in the tour – hope it’s not today. There’s 5000 metres of climbing today with the Madeleine (29 km long ) and Croix de Fer (22 km) to soften them up before they hit Alpe du Huez.

    Not sure who has got anything to attack Team Sky. Dumoulin is looking the most likely but I also have a suspicion that Nibali will try something big today. Sky will need their climbing domestiques Poels and Bernal to pull their fingers out as yesterday they were as disappointing as much as Kwiatkowski was brilliant, and I’m sure they’ll want to protect both Thomas and Froome until the business end.

    I also hope the anti-Sky / Froome sentiment doesn’t boil over today on Alpe du Huez. Lots of fans would’ve spent numerous days ‘fuelling’ up and its typically where the nutters like to appear.



  • l'Alpe is nuts. I was up there in 2004 when they time trialled it - close to half a million people on the mountain, and it was just insanity. I don't think they'll ever run another ITT up there, just so many people.

    Good times 🙂

    Edit: 2004, not 2003



  • The Giro was sealed at this point. Yates looked utterly commanding.

    Froome's legs may give out yet. There's a reason the Giro-Tour double is rare.



  • @chester-draws True - though if Froome gives out the most likely beneficiary will be his team mate Thomas. Only guy within real spitting distance of Froome is Dumoulin who, of course, also rode the Giro. A spectator has taken out Nibali overnight.

    I foolishly got sucked into watching how Kruijswijk would get on with his bold break last night. For a while it looked like he had a chance of surviving, with Sky having used up a couple of their men and Poels and Castroviejo looking to be struggling, but a couple of the other teams annoyingly helped them chase for a while. Kruiswijk got to the bottom of Alpe d'Huez with about 20 seconds per kilometre to give up, but it soon became evident that he was giving up more than that and they caught him with 4kms to ride.

    Things are interestingly poised in Team Sky - Thomas is now 1.39 ahead of Froome and, although he was clearly setting the pace for Froome up the latter part of the climb, he currently looks as strong. Still three mountain stages to go, but I wonder whether, he would - at some point - get ordered to let Froome win. Or whether they'd be left to fight it out in the final time trial.

    Other big thing that happened overnight was the withdrawal of several more big sprinters. Sagan miles ahead in the green jersey now.



  • Other constraining factor for Sky is that while Dumoulin is right on Froome's coat tails, they can't afford to have Thomas ease back - so in a strange way, Tom is Geraint's ally and GT has an interest in not cracking him!



  • @chris-b said in Le Tour 2018:

    Other big thing that happened overnight was the withdrawal of several more big sprinters. Sagan miles ahead in the green jersey now.

    was laughing at Michelton Scott this morning.. fcuk they must be pi$$ed they left their 61kg sprinter at home - cause all the sprinters gone now so they would have been in the box seat for him to take some stages as much more likely to survive climbs.

    all the money they just dropped on Yates and he lost 30 mins today... when eggs in one basket strategies go bad...



  • @chris-b said in Le Tour 2018:

    Other constraining factor for Sky is that while Dumoulin is right on Froome's coat tails, they can't afford to have Thomas ease back - so in a strange way, Tom is Geraint's ally and GT has an interest in not cracking him!

    it will be interesting as G is untested really over 3 weeks best result is like 15th... but Froome and Tom both have a Giro in their legs.
    Shame Nibali gone as that would have mixed things up... keep an eye on Roglic



  • @williethewaiter true that Thomas is untested over 3 weeks but he's never really been protected to this extent before. When he was lying fourth a couple of years back and then cracked, he had been burying himself for Froome every day in the mountains. He looked really strong yesterday. I'm not sure either TD or CF will take much if anything out of Thomas on the time trial. Thomas won the British TT title immediately before the Tour. He smashed it big time (on a longer course than stage 20's TT).

    I think key to his chances of taking GC is how much the likes of Poels, Kwia, Castroviejo and Bernal have left to drive things for him and Froome in the Pyrenees. If Thomas is forced to pull for any length of time (he acknowledges Froome is still the leader) it certainly won't help him.



  • If Bevin is going to win one, today isn't a bad option



  • Tom scully off in a break early



  • @mariner4life riding with Mr Breakaway himself Thomas Degendt. Let's hope this one sticks but it looks like Arnaud Demare fancies it today as his team seem to be prominent already at head of the Peloton (and FDJ have done nothing of note so far in the Tour).



  • And it's sagan. Becaus he's awesome



  • @williethewaiter said in Le Tour 2018:

    @chris-b said in Le Tour 2018:
    ... keep an eye on Roglic

    Yeah, I am, because I've got a Slovenian friend that I've discussed Roglic and George with - and because I'm watching Lotto-Jumbo.

    Unfortunately, if he and Kruijswijk do too well then next year George might end up riding as a super-domestique rather than team leader. And right now Roglic is doing very well.

    He managed to "win" last night against the other GC riders, breaking away on the short final climb to pick up 8 seconds on Thomas, Froome and Dumoulin and more over everyone else. If Lotto-Jumbo hadn't lost a minute to Sky in the team time trial, he'd be right up there with Froome and Dumoulin.

    An advantage Roglic has over George is that he's also an excellent time trialist - silver in the World Champs last year.



  • @chris-b A team can have two GC contenders, because only one can be on top form at a time.

    Plenty of guys support their leader in the Tour, but are given their own chance at the Vuelta. LottoNLJ have let George have the Tour off, so I don't think he's expect to support Roglic.

    What team should he ride for? The good ones have higher ranked GC contenders or sprinters, and the ones he would be outright leader for aren't good enough to support big time wins.

    Movistar have three guys at this Tour with bigger names than George. Teams cope.



  • @chester-draws George just re-signed with Lotto Jumbo for three years - for what's likely to be most of the peak years of his career - so that die is cast.

    No doubt teams can have two contenders - and even co-leaders, and they can switch horses during the race. In this year's tour, for instance, it's Kruijswijk who is the designated leader of LJ, not Roglic (though I reckon horses wouldn't be far from being switched).

    According to George, he's being given the leadership for the Vuelta (which I'm sure he'll get) and then next year's TdF. But, if Roglic holds onto fourth or even improves to a podium spot, I reckon George would need a pretty good Vuelta to stop a re-think on that plan.

    Probably better for George's aspirations if Roglic has a bad day and fades to eighth.



  • I know the result was basically decided last week, but is this the best tour for ages? Every stage seems to be great fun to watch. The mountains were good, the cobbles were carnage, last night was mental at the start, with no breaks being able to form due to a ridiculous pace from the peleton. The racing just seems to be really hard this year.


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