ITM Cup Stocks up and down



  • Love NFL coverage, they are always doing stocks up and down for players. Looking at ITM cup I see super players and new players who have risen and those whose stocks have fallen. Keen for everyone's Thoughts.

    From games I have seen some names

    Stocks up

    Selby-Rickett - shows athleticism for a lock
    Will Jordan -ABs fullback post Bender?
    Koroi - at this level seems untouchable, next level???
    Levi Aumua - not sure on d but devestating on attack
    Lomax - is this why NZ rugby pursued him.
    Tei Walden - looks like best 12 in comp
    Taminavalu - gone to early
    Josh Goodhue - impressed

    Stocks down
    TJ Vaa - why has he got a super contract
    Bryn Gatland - not nailing his chances of starting for Highlanders
    Tamati Tua - signed to young

    Maybe off the mark. Add to list as heaps more



  • @98blueandgold Tom Robinson has been the stand out for Northland in all 3 matches.



  • Harsh on TJ Va'a. He has literally played 20 mins of footy for the Lions since leaving college. He has just come back from a serious injury and you have already got him in the stocks are falling bracket after one appearance off the bench. Hard man to please.



  • Tumua Manu and Dalton Papali'i have had great starts to the season.



  • @98blueandgold Stocks up 100% for Will Jordan. That kid is Cullen-esque. Can't wait untill he puts on the Black jumper. Wouldn't be suprised if him and A Aumua make the World Cup squad - they make men look like boys half the time..



  • Orbyn Leger for the stocks down column. He is NOT looking like a Super level player at all.
    Beaudein Waaka showing he would be a good addition in a XVs team at the next level and that Sevens is not his peak.

    Edit: Te Aihe Toma has looked the goods re-establishing himself back in NZ after a stalled overseas career at Munster (short term loan). Blues would probably be his target unless he goes back to Highlanders. Halfback is a tough gig to break into at the moment with ABs spread over 3 franchises and the Saders being very established as well.



  • @canes4life

    Cullen-Esque? Wow. Really?

    I need to watch him more closely, because he just looks like a good young footballer to me.



  • I think I used the Cullen-esque term for Declan O'Donnell when he first appeared on the Sevens scene...…. πŸ˜‰



  • Leger was being over-rated in SR so his stocks haven't fallen much.

    Jordan needs to make the Crusaders 23 next year for a start FFS.



  • @canes4life true that is pretty harsh



  • @shark it's more about looking at just the ITM. Of course players need to prove themselves st the next level. It's more about those who shld be shining st this level and are not, and those who are standing up to go to the next level.



  • @98blueandgold said in ITM Cup Stocks up and down:

    @shark it's more about looking at just the ITM. Of course players need to prove themselves st the next level. It's more about those who shld be shining st this level and are not, and those who are standing up to go to the next level.

    Did you miss the post where he was already an AB?



  • @gt12 Haha I know he has a long way to go to be anywhere near Cullen. I was meaning more his gliding running style, reminds me of alot like Cully.

    Jordan looks like a classy operator already though and I am not making any apologies in saying that he will be a long time All Black if he stays injury free.



  • @crucial atleast Jordan is a more sensible comparison. πŸ˜›



  • @98blueandgold said in ITM Cup Stocks up and down:

    @shark it's more about looking at just the ITM. Of course players need to prove themselves st the next level. It's more about those who shld be shining st this level and are not, and those who are standing up to go to the next level.

    Hence the reason I mentioned Leger. I know he isn't exactly top quality at Super but at the moment he is looking club level when he should be standing out and showing why he got a Super gig.

    @Canes4life O'Donnell looked a sensible comparison at the start as well. Gliding runs from deep with a great swerve and step. His star didn't shine for long though.



  • @canes4life

    I like your positivity in selecting them so long out.

    The last player I thought would be a long term AB on first watch was Messam, when I saw him play high school footy. Around that time (or a bit after) I also saw Conrad Smith for the NZ University team (I think it was) and thought he was the best natural center I'd seen play, but would never make it as he was skinny as fuck.

    On ITM cup form so far, Papalii looks an AB for sure. Also, the young HB half back just jumps out as super talented (ahem, Chiefs?), and Thompson has been awesome. He's a good example of a player who I think would walk into most other overseas teams, but is stuck here. I wonder how far away he is...

    Apart from that, Lomax looks worth further investment too. Might take time - look at Ta'avao.



  • @crucial said in ITM Cup Stocks up and down:

    Orbyn Leger for the stocks down column. He is NOT looking like a Super level player at all.

    He isn't looking flash, but it can't be easy playing in that extremely scrappy Counties team.



  • @tim said in ITM Cup Stocks up and down:

    @crucial said in ITM Cup Stocks up and down:

    Orbyn Leger for the stocks down column. He is NOT looking like a Super level player at all.

    He isn't looking flash, but it can't be easy playing in that extremely scrappy Counties team.

    That doesn't excuse his skill lapses. Missed tackles and dropped balls are personal responsibility.
    Maybe he is giving himself a wakeup call and will come right. I certainly hope so, but at the moment he is part of the 'scrappyness' himself.



  • @gt12 said in ITM Cup Stocks up and down:

    @canes4life

    I like your positivity in selecting them so long out.

    The last player I thought would be a long term AB on first watch was Messam, when I saw him play high school footy. Around that time (or a bit after) I also saw Conrad Smith for the NZ University team (I think it was) and thought he was the best natural center I'd seen play, but would never make it as he was skinny as fuck.

    On ITM cup form so far, Papalii looks an AB for sure. Also, the young HB half back just jumps out as super talented (ahem, Chiefs?), and Thompson has been awesome. He's a good example of a player who I think would walk into most other overseas teams, but is stuck here. I wonder how far away he is...

    Apart from that, Lomax looks worth further investment too. Might take time - look at Ta'avao.

    Fakatava has looked impressive - we were discussing in the match thread how the Canes haven't locked him up yet so Cooper should get on then phone now.



  • Kalolo Tuiloma : hardest man to stop near the try-line.



  • Can't think of anyone for BOP. Which is weird given how well they are tracking. Therefore I nominate the coach



  • @baron-silas-greenback also sign of a good team



  • @baron-silas-greenback said in ITM Cup Stocks up and down:

    Can't think of anyone for BOP. Which is weird given how well they are tracking. Therefore I nominate the coach

    What happened to that big BoPper they had in the second row vs Taranaki?



  • @canes4life said in ITM Cup Stocks up and down:

    @gt12 Haha I know he has a long way to go to be anywhere near Cullen. I was meaning more his gliding running style, reminds me of alot like Cully.

    Jordan looks like a classy operator already though and I am not making any apologies in saying that he will be a long time All Black if he stays injury free.

    Yeah - although it might keep the scorners at bay to speculate as to who the ABs might take away as an apprentice on the EOYT - if they take one.

    Jordan would have as good a chance as any - though given Hansen has expressed concern about propping stocks, I reckon Lomax would also be a reasonable bet. Lomax has definitely improved from where he was this time last year, playing for Tasman.



  • Jack Whetton and Sam Henwood.



  • @chris-b said in ITM Cup Stocks up and down:

    Yeah - although it might keep the scorners at bay to speculate as to who the ABs might take away as an apprentice on the EOYT - if they take one.

    Jordan would have as good a chance as any

    With DMac and JB still very young I doubt they'll be taking another fullback.

    I did read that Hansen is keen to take a squad of the same size as for a RWC, so that means only 31 players. More likely players miss out than extras are included.





  • @bovidae True - although Jordan is quick enough to play on the wing and our current wing stocks aren't entirely vintage!



  • @chris-b he and Alaimalo would be top of list of newbies they'd be considering.



  • Jordan, Alaimalo, and Papali'i would be my three picks so far.



  • I think they'll mainly watch the guys who were omitted from the squad and/or were sent to play M10 Cup with 'work-ons' or needed game time after injury, such as Fifita, Akira, NMS, Weber, Asafo Aumua.

    But if they're looking at genuine newbies, they may look at players in positions in which they need more depth. Maybe Makalio; Lomax; Gibson, Evans; Bridge, Alaimalo, Lam (only one of those 3 to be picked). I seriously doubt they're already looking at Jordan, who'll be well behind particularly Bridge and Alaimalo, but if they do, I'll throw in Flanders and Fakatava.



  • I'd say they will be looking closely at the likes of Gibson, Papali'i (although does he play 7?) or maybe Hunt? Cupboard bare after them...



  • @stargazer said in ITM Cup Stocks up and down:

    I think they'll mainly watch the guys who were omitted from the squad and/or were sent to play M10 Cup with 'work-ons' or needed game time after injury, such as Fifita, Akira, NMS, Weber, Asafo Aumua.

    But if they're looking at genuine newbies, they may look at players in positions in which they need more depth. Maybe Makalio; Lomax; Gibson, Evans; Bridge, Alaimalo, Lam (only one of those 3 to be picked). I seriously doubt they're already looking at Jordan, who'll be well behind particularly Bridge and Alaimalo, but if they do, I'll throw in Flanders and Fakatava.

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  • Papali'i has played one or two games on the openside for the NZ U20 during last year's WC. I would say that his size (1.90 m, 105 kg - Aucklandrugby website) is limiting his future to the 7 jersey. He does not seem big enough for an international blindside loose forward IMO.



  • @cgrant His size is limiting his future at both 6 and 7? He's shit outta luck then huh.



  • @taniwharugby Papalii's played a fair bit of 7 in the past, including a couple of games with the Blues this year. I thought he outplayed Todd and Hooper when he was at 7 this year.



  • I'd be surprised if they are interested in players who haven't yet made an impression in SR. It's a big step up from M10. Aumua is probably a one-off based more on his performance at U20 level.

    No.8 isn't exactly a position of depth so I'd like Akira to be looked at (again). Papali'i, as mentioned, as a 6/7. @cgrant Papali'i was the starting 7 in the playoff games for the NZ U20s.



  • @cgrant Blues site lists Papali'i as 193 cm andΒ 113 kg.

    insert Ardie joke here



  • @cgrant He's definitely bigger than that. Let me see if I can find a picture of him doing a handstand.



  • @kiwimurph my mind immediately wondered what he'd be at the Canes. Then I read your second line 😞


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