2018 New Zealand Schools

  • Players selected for New Zealand Schools development camp

    New Zealand’s top schoolboy rugby players have been selected to attend the New Zealand Schools development camp in Palmerston North next weekend.
    The 1st XV rugby season came to a close yesterday with St Peter’s College (Auckland) claiming the Top Four title, captain Niko Jones is one of 53 players chosen to attend the national camp. 26 schools are represented from 12 Provincial Unions.
    The three-day camp in Palmerston North will culminate with the New Zealand Schools and New Zealand Barbarians Schools teams being named.

    Players selected are:

    Name - School

    Arthur Allen - Christs College
    Iona Apineru - St Patrick's College - Silverstream
    James Arscott - Otago Boys' High School
    Rocco Berry - St Patrick's College - Silverstream
    Caleb Cavubati - Scots College
    Louie Chapman - Christchurch Boys' High School
    Valynce Crosby-Te Whare - St Paul's Collegiate
    Stewart Cruden - Palmerston North Boys' High School
    Sam Darry - Christs College
    Corey Evans - Auckland Grammar School
    Chay Fihaki - Sacred Heart College
    Taufa Funaki - Sacred Heart College
    Zach Gallagher - Christs College
    Josh Gimblett - Napier Boys' High School
    Matt Graham-Williams - St Kentigern College
    Lukas Halls - King's College
    Maximilian Hughes - Christchurch Boys' High School
    Niko Jones - St Peter's College
    Tahu Kaa - Christchurch Boys' High School
    Jacob Kneepkens - Francis Douglas Memorial College
    Benet Kumeroa - Auckland Grammar School
    Peni Lasaqa - St Kentigern College
    Josh Lord - Hamilton Boys' High School
    Josiah Maraku - Feilding Agricultural High School
    Thomas Martin - Hamilton Boys' High School
    Saula Mau - Auckland Grammar School
    Blair Murray - New Plymouth Boys' High School
    Mahonri Ngakuru - St Kentigern College
    Simon Parker - St Peter's School
    Jacob Payne - Southland Boys' High School
    Noah Perelini - King's College
    George Prain - Rangiora High School
    Isaiah Punivai - St Kentigern College
    Rivez Reihana - St Kentigern College
    Robert Rush - St Kentigern College
    Anton Segner - Nelson College
    Sam Smith - Wairarapa College
    Roderick Solo - Scots College
    Ropati So'oalo - Aotea College
    Poukohe Sorenson - Rotorua Boys High School
    Kristian Standen - New Plymouth Boys' High School
    Zarn Sullivan - King's College
    Tiaan Tauakipulu - St Kentigern College
    Patrick Teddy - Napier Boys' High School
    Patrick Thacker - Christs College
    Tyrone Thompson - Napier Boys' High School
    Liam Udy-Johns - Hastings Boys' High School
    Ovaleni (Junior) Uelese - Scots College
    Soane Vikena - Mt Albert Grammar School
    Ethan Webster-Nonu - Scots College
    Keelan Whitman - St Patrick's College - Wellington
    Tamaiti Williams - St Kentigern College
    Gideon Wrampling - St Paul's Collegiate

    New Zealand Rugby’s High Performance Player Development Manager Matt Sexton said the quality of 1st XV rugby continues to impress.
    "Every year we see talented players right across the country which means our selection process needs to be incredibly rigorous.
    "The depth of talent we have seen this year makes the task of selecting this group very hard, our focus has been rewarding players who have performed consistently over the course of the entire season for both school and representative teams," said Sexton.
    Of the selected players, experience comes in the form of nine players who were involved in the 2017 schools programme, while Sam Smith represents Heartland Unions out of Wairarapa College. Saint Kentigern has the most players selected, with eight, followed by Christs College and Scots College with four players each.
    Last year’s Barbarians Schools coaches Brad Mooar (Crusaders) and Sam Moore (New Plymouth Boys’ High School) will lead the 2018 New Zealand Schools team. Highlanders Assistant Coach Cory Brown will take the reigns of the Barbarians Schools team and will be assisted by Mark Hooper from Kelston Boys’ High School.

    The teams will be announced on 23 September.

    Match schedule

    27 September

    New Zealand Schools v Tonga Schools, Brisbane

    New Zealand Barbarians Schools v New Zealand Maori Under 19, Wellington

    1 October

    New Zealand Schools v Australian schools Barbarians, Brisbane

    New Zealand Barbarians Schools v Fiji Schools, Wellington

    6 October

    New Zealand Schools v Australian Schools, Brisbane

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  • I'm absolutely gobsmacked that only three players of Napier Boys made it into the wider training group. Particularly centre Leo Thompson missing out is ridiculous. And only two from St Peter's. But more players from schools that didn't even make the Top 4 (St Kent's, Christ's College, Scots College). How do they select these players?

  • @stargazer

    I understand that these squads are selected from the 5 Super U18 teams as much as from watching 1st XV rugby. The caveat is that those teams can be selected based on who the coaches are.

    From a Ham BHS perspective, the only 2 players I thought had a chance have been selected. Josh Lord could have a big future as 2 m schoolboy locks aren't that common.

  • Looking closer at the player list, Niko Jones is the only player from St Peter's. Simon Parker is from St Peter's Cambridge. He is a loose forward and was the co-captain of the Chiefs U18s.

  • @stargazer if it’s anything like under 20s then the unions nominate players to look at.

  • @stargazer punivai was Christ’s college too. Except for a wee ‘ incident ‘ he would’ve still be there.

  • @chchfanatic Doesn't say much for Thorne's coaching if CC have more players in the squad than CBHS.

  • Could the spread of players be a reflection of the more even competition this year? In the past two years there’s been two outstanding teams (Hastings and MAGS and Hastings and Ham) who have supplied many players. This year it’s been much more competitive and the top 4 teams aren’t dominating selection.

  • I think you would also need to look at U18 teams to see the spread across schools within each region. One would assume that St Kents dominated the Blues team although Reihana was in the Chiefs and Punivai the Crusaders teams. There may be others in the same situation.

  • https://hstop200.com/crusaders-u18-squad-for-2018/

    Here's an article on the Crusader's U18 squad that talks about some of the players who made this team.

  • I'm very glad that non-selection in NZ Schools does not completely remove the chance to be selected for NZ U20 in the next few years. The good players of those that aren't, but possibly should have been, selected for NZ Schools can still get an invite to the NZU20 camps, if they either have another good year at school (depending on age) and make NZ Schools next year, or if they have a good club rugby season next year and make it into provincial U19s, Mitre 10 Cup or SR U20s squads.

  • @stargazer It's only 1 from St Peter's, Simon Parker must be from St Peter's Cambridge? Surely being national champions we deserve more than 1 player?

  • @african-monkey said in 2018 New Zealand Schools:

    @stargazer It's only 1 from St Peter's, Simon Parker must be from St Peter's Cambridge? Surely being national champions we deserve more than 1 player?

    The one shouldn't lead to the other. The team won, but individuals in it don't "deserve" anything because their team is good.

    The Chiefs won the Super title and didn't then get a haul of All Blacks that year as a result. There wasn't a rush of Hurricanes when they won either. No-one even suggested it really. Rugby is a team game, and just because the team is outstanding doesn't mean lots of the players are.

    I'm actually really encouraged by how the union does this. It suggests they aren't just swayed by who is in the best team, but actually see good players in lesser teams.

    If they are canny, they will discount big boys who dominate through sheer size, and pick more skilled boys who will grow. (There's a few on the Fern who are quite vocal about Auckland schools, in particular, who try to dominate through size alone, to the detriment of skill.)

    Also there are age limits. Many players in top teams are not eligible, especially the Year 14s but also many Year 13s.

    (A friend alleges that barely any of the Rotorua side that won a few years back were even eligible for selection. He'd seen their team sheet.)

    Some will be ineligible as they are not NZers. Presumably only two per team, but often two of the better players (which is why they were chosen in the first place).

  • @chester-draws also no players who have signed league contracts. Which is fair enough I guess.
    I’d love to see a breakdown of how many nz schools players have gone on to abs compared to nz20s players.

  • @chchfanatic Good call. I wonder how many of those St Peter's players have been ruled ineligible that way?

  • @chester-draws I'd be suprised if any have we've barely had anyone ever sign to rugby league sides over the years and I can't see that changing (I could probably count it on one hand).

    I'm not saying the whole side should have been picked, I just feel that a couple of others deserved a look at as well but never mind.

  • Not many from outside the 'big name colleges', but one from my old school Wai Col which is nice to see!

  • I am involved in coaching 1stXV and have coached some of these boys and against some. Looking at the list it's reasonably accurate, there are always going to be arguments either way. There are some schools who win because they have a more even spread of talent or team culture and those that have 3-4 very talented individuals. In the end the cream rises to the top ABs etc. example the 2015 WC starting team 8 did not play NZ schools. Not an exact science. Rules like league contracts etc play a huge part as has been mentioned

  • @chchfanatic 20s if far more accurate as a number do not make 20s from school. example from this years rugby championship if played schools, 20s both or none. only 12 have played both schools and 20s I think

    Dane Coles 21s only
    Nathan Harris 20s only
    Codie Taylor both

    Owen Franks both
    Joe Moody none
    Tim Perry none
    Karl Tu'inukuafe none
    Ofa Tuungafasi both

    Scott Barrett 20s only
    Brodie Retallick 20s only
    Samuel Whitelock both

    Loose Forwards
    Sam Cane both
    Shannon Frizell neither
    Jackson Hemopo 20s
    Kieran Read both
    Ardie Savea both
    Liam Squire neither
    Luke Whitelock both

    TJ Perenara both
    Aaron Smith 20s only
    Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi 20s only

    First five-eighths
    Beauden Barrett 20s only
    Damian McKenzie both
    Richie Mo'unga 20s only

    Ryan Crotty both
    Jack Goodhue 20s only
    Anton Lienert-Brown 20s only (but wld have rep schools if not inj prob.)
    Sonny Bill Williams none

    Outside backs
    Jordie Barrett 20s only
    Rieko Ioane both (never played 20s though)
    Nehe Milner-Skudder none
    Waisake Naholo 20s only
    Ben Smith none

    also from 2014-2016 nz schools squads 38/72 have gone onto NZ 20s WC squad, a number of others have been involved in lead up but not made final squad or been inj.

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