NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition



  • @akan004 said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:

    @crucial Like Nick mentioned earlier, Squire actually obstructed Dempsey. It was done very subtly (and brilliantly) but was enough to ensure he couldn't plug the gap. Am not sure if Dempsey would have been quick enough to get to Reiko even if Squire had not blocked him but it was definitely an obstruction.

    Except Squire got in his way behind the scrum on the way to the openside. There was no need for Dempsey to even go there in the first place. He left no one in position on the blind.
    That was my point. A better 6 would have not committed so hard to ball watching and expect that is why the move was more difficult in training.

    Edit: On another watching the fault is partly on using the standard defensive strategy from the scrum. Dempsey is obviously drilled to own the inside channel rather than have the loosehead lock do so.
    That's why he raced around. From there his reaction was too slow as once the ball went out the back to BB the inside ball option on attack had gone and he needed to be awake to other possibilities. Good manipulation of the Wallabies defensive patterns by the attack coach.



  • @akan004 said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:

    @crucial Like Nick mentioned earlier, Squire actually obstructed Dempsey. It was done very subtly (and brilliantly) but was enough to ensure he couldn't plug the gap. Am not sure if Dempsey would have been quick enough to get to Reiko even if Squire had not blocked him but it was definitely an obstruction.

    In the half time banter on Sky, Steve Luatua, who came across as very rugby savvy, pointed out the block.

    Hope he returns after the RWC...



  • Highlight vid below.

    Some points I noticed

    • Squires try. Excellent two wave attack with SBW as the link. SBWs timing and pass were excellent. Classic 'second-five' distribution.

    • Read's try. TJP didn't even move from the tunnel so was obviously there to block Hannigan from making anything other than a side on tackle. Like the BB try this was manipulation of a 'standard' defence pattern where Genia would take second man out and Hannigan the close channel. Genia should have been experienced enough to see what TJP was doing to make Hannigan ineffective and stayed on Read although there was also a nice little dummy from Read toward BB that tricked him. Poor defensive decision making.

    • Naivalu's try. Some very good defence in the build up by DMac but the door was opened by BB (who BFA had already told to cover the sideline) started dropping back to come around too early. Gave Naivalu too much room. Should have listened to BFA

    • Lead up to the BFA try. Bad defensive miss by SBW on Folau. It was schoolboy tackling at worst with a launch from too far out. Luckily it was also a schoolboy error from Folau to attempt an offload as he hadn't even looked to see where BFA was. As for the line AS ran I agree that on another day the decision could well have gone against him. He was very lucky in that it isn't clear and obvious that he made a change in his running line and he was cunning enough to turn his body back toward BFA which created the optics of expecting a pass.

    • Folau's try. AS totally sucked in by Folau's line and over ran his tackle attempt. Bad decision making as there was plenty of wide cover. It was the inside step that needed filling.

    • Reiko's try. Great run by BFA but awful defence by Australia. Got themselves in a complete muddle of miscommunication (Beale the worst culprit) resulting 3 defenders taking each other out. Once the line was breached there was a 6 on 2 with only one more defender desperately running across.

    Poor decisions on attack and defence the biggest difference between the teams. They made far more of them than we did.







  • @crucial cheers, you missed one try, good read otherwise.



  • @wairau said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:

    @crucial cheers, you missed one try, good read otherwise.

    Had already said my piece waffled on about that one further back in the thread....





  • @jegga said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:

    Had to look to see if that was from the Betoota Advocate ...

    Huge respect for AAC but surely that ship sailed?



  • @booboo said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:

    @jegga said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:

    Had to look to see if that was from the Betoota Advocate ...

    Huge respect for AAC but surely that ship sailed?

    It is worth repeating as it applies to this selection, too
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  • @machpants said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:

    You see mad eye hooper bursting a gut to limit beaudy getting towards the goal posts, the winger just leave him to it. He maybe a knob but he puts in a hundred every time

    After he has retired, that will be my abiding memory of him. Sprinting to chase a back he has no hope of catching but never giving up.



  • @akan004 said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:

    Must the Aussies do this after every single loss to us. Their whinging has reached ridiculous levels.

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/bledisloe-cup/analysis-how-kings-of-the-dark-arts-got-a-free-ride-against-the-wallabies-in-bledisloe-iii/news-story/a1a08723a18258e894921429a2d9c34b

    that is delicious!!

    We're not shit, we just don't cheat like they do!!

    I always enjoy a "let's look at one team" breakdown of all the "illegalities" they get away with. It just means your team won. Again.

    Time to scrap the 3 tests against Australia, they just don't deserve it.



  • Hooper and Foley aren't very good, but by christ you can't fault their effort, those two give it absolutely everything every test, and never quit.



  • @booboo said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:

    @jegga said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:

    Had to look to see if that was from the Betoota Advocate ...

    Huge respect for AAC but surely that ship sailed?

    I suppose if Cheika was coach he'd be on the team, rather than just motivation...

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/oct/29/will-carling-eddie-jones-leadership-role



  • Dempsey getting a bit of stick on here and in other places for the BB try.

    When I played Blindside flanker, way back admitedly, I absolutely broke to the open side as quickly as possible depending on the "break" call.

    Defences have changed in 20 years, they don't chase rucks like I did, but I doubt that much from a scrum? Why would you stay blind when the ball has been passed open to the actual first-five?

    Mistakes or mis-reads are allowed to happen if the opposition work it (or disgiuse it) well.

    The pass from BB to Ioane was pure sex.



  • @rapido said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:

    Dempsey getting a bit of stick on here and in other places for the BB try.

    When I played Blindside flanker, way back admitedly, I absolutely broke to the open side as quickly as possible depending on the "break" call.

    Defences have changed in 20 years, they don't chase rucks like I did, but I doubt that much from a scrum? Why would you stay blind when the ball has been passed open to the actual first-five?

    Mistakes or mis-reads are allowed to happen if the opposition work it (or disgiuse it) well.

    The pass from BB to Ioane was pure sex.

    I had been pointing out the way that Australia follow a ‘standard’ defensive pattern which we exploited beautifully. (Pretty much the same as you have said).
    Now watch the ABs after most rucks or scrums. They keep width and options no matter where the ball goes to start with. At the very least they keep an eye on the possibilities while not over committing.
    BTW, the moment the ball went back to BB instead of to SBW, Dempsey’s run to the open was wasted.
    I would be critical of the ABs if they were so easily manipulated as well.
    Twice in the game we were able to use their over commitment to a standard defence against them.



  • @mariner4life said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:

    Hooper and Foley aren't very good, but by christ you can't fault their effort, those two give it absolutely everything every test, and never quit.

    Bingo. Foley maybe can't reach the peaks that some flyhalves can, and has come under particular stick in parts of Australia for not being as good as Quade.

    But when I see Foley dive on the ball as the AB was chasing through, risking an accidental knee to the head or ribs, I'm comfortable in the knowledge that Quade Fucking Cooper wouldn't risk that.

    When Foley looks up and sees no options but to go into contact, I'm smirking with the understanding that QFC would throw a hospital pass to someone in a shittier position.

    When some big shunt needs tackling at the line, I know Foley will go in around the hips or knees most times, and even if he doesn't make that tackle - even if he's going to get pushed into the floor by a palm on his shoulder, he's not going to stand up and cop a palm in the face while being a completely ineffectual dipshit like Quade "Run to Melbourne Because BBBT Hates Me" Cooper.

    Also @Crucial take your points about Dempsey's movement. He probably thought a 1-on-1 between the wingers was cover enough. His mistake was not tracking Squires, IMHO. Mark your opposite seems pretty simple.



  • Haven't read the rest of the thread, bit of catching up to do after jetlag. Thought I'd post my thoughts.

    Well, fuck, Savea. Wow! Absolutely brilliant performance, ridiculously fucking busy and being extremely effective while doing it. Soooo much better than when he used to just look busy. Some stellar defensive plays from him and Taylor, plus that sweet save by Ioane.

    How much of a beast does BFA look at the moment? His defence on the wing is invaluable too. Timing things perfectly.

    Someone was saying Read didn't put in any hits - that's not what I saw in the first half.

    Laulala looked bloody good, great to see. Really strong scrumming.

    Loved Todd when he came on, Savea and him complimented each other really well and seemed to be in each other's pockets. How good was the tackle on Folau for the BFA intercept?

    Thought Barrett controlled the game really well for the most part, nice cameo from Mounga too.

    Poite is fucken shit eh? Ignores everything and then once in a while makes a really bizarre call.



  • @mariner4life said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:

    @akan004 said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:

    Must the Aussies do this after every single loss to us. Their whinging has reached ridiculous levels.

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/bledisloe-cup/analysis-how-kings-of-the-dark-arts-got-a-free-ride-against-the-wallabies-in-bledisloe-iii/news-story/a1a08723a18258e894921429a2d9c34b

    that is delicious!!

    We're not shit, we just don't cheat like they do!!

    I always enjoy a "let's look at one team" breakdown of all the "illegalities" they get away with. It just means your team won. Again.

    Time to scrap the 3 tests against Australia, they just don't deserve it.

    What is more concerning is Phil Kearns saying that he AND World Rugby are sick of the Referees giving the All Blacks a free ride! Who at World Rugby has been making these comments, have they been made public?? Maybe Gosper said it to Phil when in Australia a few weeks back??



  • @nta said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:

    @mariner4life said in NZ vs. Aust - Japanese yawn edition:

    Hooper and Foley aren't very good, but by christ you can't fault their effort, those two give it absolutely everything every test, and never quit.

    Bingo. Foley maybe can't reach the peaks that some flyhalves can, and has come under particular stick in parts of Australia for not being as good as Quade.

    But when I see Foley dive on the ball as the AB was chasing through, risking an accidental knee to the head or ribs, I'm comfortable in the knowledge that Quade Fucking Cooper wouldn't risk that.

    When Foley looks up and sees no options but to go into contact, I'm smirking with the understanding that QFC would throw a hospital pass to someone in a shittier position.

    When some big shunt needs tackling at the line, I know Foley will go in around the hips or knees most times, and even if he doesn't make that tackle - even if he's going to get pushed into the floor by a palm on his shoulder, he's not going to stand up and cop a palm in the face while being a completely ineffectual dipshit like Quade "Run to Melbourne Because BBBT Hates Me" Cooper.

    Also @Crucial take your points about Dempsey's movement. He probably thought a 1-on-1 between the wingers was cover enough. His mistake was not tracking Squires, IMHO. Mark your opposite seems pretty simple.

    I'd imagine Foley wouldn't make you nervous about leaving valuables out in the open in the locker room either


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