Japan vs All Blacks



  • The All Blacks team should look like this, IMO :

    J. Barrett
    Naholo
    Proctor
    Laumape
    Bridge
    Mo'unga
    TTT
    L. Whitelock (capt)
    Papali'i / Hunt
    Fifita
    Tuipolutu
    Hemopo
    Tu'ungafasi
    Coles
    Perry

    Aumua
    Reilly
    Ta'avao
    Retallick
    Hunt / Papali'i
    Drummond / Hall
    Cameron
    NMS



  • I reckon NMS will start, for experience, and maybe BBBR too. It's easier to manage minutes for starters than someone who could be called on to do almost an entire match.

    Looks about right tho



  • @cgrant I'm actually a supporter of taking so many players over for a week. I think Japan is so different to the rest of the world in terms of cities, culture, food and lifestyle that exposing potential world cup selections is a good move. Ideally we wouldn't dish out one cap wonders for it, but that is modern rugby.

    Imagine the counter-factual: calling up a young player who hasn't travelled, throwing them in the deep end in Japan to deal with the people, transport, etc, while hoping they deliver their best on the rugby field. It's a big ask.



  • Yeah I agree, it's a good idea. It's not like we haven't had two ABs teams before at the same time.



  • @cgrant BBBR is on the early plane to the UK according to the NZ Herald.



  • @cgrant said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    The All Blacks team should look like this, IMO :

    J. Barrett
    Naholo
    Proctor
    Laumape
    Bridge
    Mo'unga
    TTT
    L. Whitelock (capt)
    Papali'i / Hunt
    Fifita
    Tuipolutu
    Hemopo
    Tu'ungafasi
    Coles
    Perry

    Aumua
    Reilly
    Ta'avao
    Retallick
    Hunt / Papali'i
    Drummond / Hall
    Cameron
    NMS

    Reilly? 52nd player ...

    (I think you mean O'Neill 🙂 )



  • @sparky said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    @cgrant BBBR is on the early plane to the UK according to the NZ Herald.

    BBBR said in his post-test comments that he wanted to play in the Japan test. Not his decision of course. You would probably leave him on the bench for the English test but increase his workload if not involved in this game.

    As to the team to play Japan, I expect the full squad members, and those used during the season, to start or be in the 23. That means NMS and Papali'i to start and maybe Coltman ahead of Aumua on the bench.

    Also, Havili might make the bench too.



  • @booboo said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    @cgrant said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    The All Blacks team should look like this, IMO :

    J. Barrett
    Naholo
    Proctor
    Laumape
    Bridge
    Mo'unga
    TTT
    L. Whitelock (capt)
    Papali'i / Hunt
    Fifita
    Tuipolutu
    Hemopo
    Tu'ungafasi
    Coles
    Perry

    Aumua
    Reilly
    Ta'avao
    Retallick
    Hunt / Papali'i
    Drummond / Hall
    Cameron
    NMS

    Reilly? 52nd player ...

    (I think you mean O'Neill 🙂 )

    [Thread] So Akira now 53rd. [\hi-jack]



  • Sparky's Team to play Japan

    Perry, Coles, Tu'ungafasi, Hemopo, Tuipolutu, Fifita, Papalii, Evans, TTT, Mo'unga, Naholo, Laumape, Proctor, NMS, J Barrett

    Bench: O'Neill, Aumua, Ta'avao, L Whitelock, Hunt, Hall, Havili, Bridge

    Tempted to give Jordie Barrett some gametime at First Five.



  • Havili has test experience. I expect him to be him in the 23. Based on current form, he's better than NMS and I'd rather see him cover the midfield than Jordie.

    I vaguely remember Hansen saying Papali'i wouldn't play the early games, but I may be wrong. I definitely remember him saying that they see Papali'i only as a 6 at this stage, so that's where I expect them to start him if he plays. I'd pick Fifita at lock, with Hemopo as cover on the bench (assuming BBBR is on the plane) and Evans to cover all loose forward positions.

    Anyway, I don't expect this to be an easy selection for Hansen and co.



  • @sparky

    Who would be captain of your side? I think Whitelock is almost a certainty to start and captain

    I think you might be right about Jordie covering ten. When Fox spoke about the Cameron selection he made it clear he only made the squad because Perofeta was injured. He then went on to say that he might not be involved in this match. So possibly he's only injury cover.



  • @stargazer said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    I definitely remember him saying that they see Papali'i only as a 6 at this stage, so that's where I expect them to start him if he plays.

    They said he's not a natural 7 and that he's primarily selected as a blindside that can cover openside.
    However they were excited about his ability to play both flanks because that is unique in this squad.

    The best way to use him on this tour IMO would be to start him at 7 vs Japan and at 6 vs Italy (slightly harder than the other way around)



  • Papali'i would have played more at 7 than 6 in the last 2 seasons. He was also at no.7 for the NZ U20s.



  • I reckon Papali’I could be our next Rodders. Decent enough over the ball but more a hard working tackling option that can do the grunt work clearing bodies at the ruck.



  • @stargazer said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    Havili has test experience. I expect him to be him in the 23. Based on current form, he's better than NMS and I'd rather see him cover the midfield than Jordie.

    I vaguely remember Hansen saying Papali'i wouldn't play the early games, but I may be wrong. I definitely remember him saying that they see Papali'i only as a 6 at this stage, so that's where I expect them to start him if he plays. I'd pick Fifita at lock, with Hemopo as cover on the bench (assuming BBBR is on the plane) and Evans to cover all loose forward positions.

    Anyway, I don't expect this to be an easy selection for Hansen and co.

    Very cruel, sadistic even. He doesn't like hard work remember?



  • @sparky said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    @cgrant BBBR is on the early plane to the UK according to the NZ Herald.

    If that article is correct, then you'd have to conclude that Goodhue is no chance of playing vs England - they're shipping four midfielders to the UK (which I don't think would have been the original plan).

    I reckon there could be a few wrinkles in Yalden's report, which basically telegraphs that we'll use the same 23 as vs Australia.

    Earlier Hansen had talked about only 22 being on the plane and that they thought BBBR might only be ready to play Japan. At that point they were presumably happy to leave him in Japan and with Romano unavailable, that might come back on the table - especially if they think he would benefit from a run.

    I also wouldn't be surprised to see Naholo on the plane and maybe a midfielder - or even DMac - left behind.



  • @stargazer said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    Havili has test experience. I expect him to be him in the 23. Based on current form, he's better than NMS and I'd rather see him cover the midfield than Jordie.

    I vaguely remember Hansen saying Papali'i wouldn't play the early games, but I may be wrong. I definitely remember him saying that they see Papali'i only as a 6 at this stage, so that's where I expect them to start him if he plays. I'd pick Fifita at lock, with Hemopo as cover on the bench (assuming BBBR is on the plane) and Evans to cover all loose forward positions.

    Anyway, I don't expect this to be an easy selection for Hansen and co.

    If Hemopo doesn’t get a decent run in this test (eg doesn’t start), then it would be a real strange one that they kept him in the smaller squad throughout TRC.



  • @act-crusader said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    @stargazer said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    Havili has test experience. I expect him to be him in the 23. Based on current form, he's better than NMS and I'd rather see him cover the midfield than Jordie.

    I vaguely remember Hansen saying Papali'i wouldn't play the early games, but I may be wrong. I definitely remember him saying that they see Papali'i only as a 6 at this stage, so that's where I expect them to start him if he plays. I'd pick Fifita at lock, with Hemopo as cover on the bench (assuming BBBR is on the plane) and Evans to cover all loose forward positions.

    Anyway, I don't expect this to be an easy selection for Hansen and co.

    If Hemopo doesn’t get a decent run in this test (eg doesn’t start), then it would be a real strange one that they kept him in the smaller squad throughout TRC.

    Not really, he's a Highlander he could possibly play 6 in the All Blacks.



  • Do people care more or less about this test than the bore-fest last Saturday?



  • @mariner4life said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    Do people care more or less about this test than the bore-fest last Saturday?

    So much less. I at least recorded last weeks to watch after the Winx race and post race guff.

    I think I will prefer having a beer outside with True-love and the dogs if it is a nice evening than watch our heartland XV take on Japan



  • @hooroo said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    @mariner4life said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    Do people care more or less about this test than the bore-fest last Saturday?

    So much less. I at least recorded last weeks to watch after the Winx race and post race guff.

    I think I will prefer having a beer outside with True-love and the dogs if it is a nice evening than watch our heartland XV take on Japan

    Derby day isn't it? So afternoon on the punt. My best mate's 40th that night. Might catch a replay on Sunday while recovering, so i can watch all these guys with no AB future getting their time to shine.



  • @mariner4life said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    @hooroo said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    @mariner4life said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    Do people care more or less about this test than the bore-fest last Saturday?

    So much less. I at least recorded last weeks to watch after the Winx race and post race guff.

    I think I will prefer having a beer outside with True-love and the dogs if it is a nice evening than watch our heartland XV take on Japan

    Derby day isn't it? So afternoon on the punt. My best mate's 40th that night. Might catch a replay on Sunday while recovering, so i can watch all these guys with no AB future getting their time to shine.

    Ha! Of course! It will be watching Aussie Racing!



  • @hooroo said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    @mariner4life said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    @hooroo said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    @mariner4life said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    Do people care more or less about this test than the bore-fest last Saturday?

    So much less. I at least recorded last weeks to watch after the Winx race and post race guff.

    I think I will prefer having a beer outside with True-love and the dogs if it is a nice evening than watch our heartland XV take on Japan

    Derby day isn't it? So afternoon on the punt. My best mate's 40th that night. Might catch a replay on Sunday while recovering, so i can watch all these guys with no AB future getting their time to shine.

    Ha! Of course! It will be watching Aussie Racing!

    you can do that outside with a beer. In fact that's the perfect spot for it.



  • @mariner4life said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    @hooroo said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    @mariner4life said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    @hooroo said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    @mariner4life said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    Do people care more or less about this test than the bore-fest last Saturday?

    So much less. I at least recorded last weeks to watch after the Winx race and post race guff.

    I think I will prefer having a beer outside with True-love and the dogs if it is a nice evening than watch our heartland XV take on Japan

    Derby day isn't it? So afternoon on the punt. My best mate's 40th that night. Might catch a replay on Sunday while recovering, so i can watch all these guys with no AB future getting their time to shine.

    Ha! Of course! It will be watching Aussie Racing!

    you can do that outside with a beer. In fact that's the perfect spot for it.

    We have no outside TV! Hey but thanks for highlighting that! 🙂

    PLaying golf at Eden Park on the Sunday too! Once a year they set it up to hit off from in the stands into holes dotted around the park! Can't wait!



  • It barely looks like an All Blacks game with some of the probable teams named above. Should be Japan vs NZ A...



  • @donsteppa said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    It barely looks like an All Blacks game with some of the probable teams named above. Should be Japan vs NZ A...

    It is!



  • You'd think after all these boring repetitive games against sub par opposition like Aussie, we'd welcome a match against a team we rarely play....who, like us, also beat SA last time they played one another, in fact, Japan have a better record v SA than us!!



  • @taniwharugby said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    You'd think after all these boring repetitive games against sub par opposition like Aussie, we'd welcome a match against a team we rarely play....who, like us, also beat SA last time they played one another, in fact, Japan have a better record v SA than us!!

    Does it seem like we are taking them too lightly?



  • I don't gamble or drink (when watching rugby anyway) and likely given Sydney's recent weather it will be bucketing down with rain. So I'll go against the grain of the Queenslander and the Waikato man and I'll definitely be watching this. After all this team knocked off the Boks in a RWC match, and the Boks beat us. 😉



  • @mariner4life said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    Do people care more or less about this test than the bore-fest last Saturday?

    The Boks lost to them, playing a better side than we are playing now (although I know they rocked up not giving a shit), so I'll keep one eye on it.



  • @frank said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    @mariner4life said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    Do people care more or less about this test than the bore-fest last Saturday?

    The Boks lost to them, playing a better side than we are playing now (although I know they rocked up not giving a shit), so I'll keep one eye on it.

    Don't get me wrong, I'll definitely watch it at some point.

    But since that Bok win the have lost to Aus, Ireland x 2, Fiji, Wales, Argentina, and Scotland x3.

    They've beaten Romania, Georgia x 2. Tonga, Canada, Samoa and the USA.

    Their most credible result was a draw in France.

    They don't get flogged anymore, and the results above say their ranking is pretty much right, around the top of the 2nd tier.



  • @mariner4life said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    Do people care more or less about this test than the bore-fest last Saturday?

    I think it will be interesting to see how some of these new faces go wearing an AB jersey, so I'll doubtless watch it with interest.

    I'll be even more interested if several of the new Crusaders/Mako guys are playing - Bridge, Hall, Drummond, Lomax, Havili



  • @mariner4life said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    @frank said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    @mariner4life said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    Do people care more or less about this test than the bore-fest last Saturday?

    The Boks lost to them, playing a better side than we are playing now (although I know they rocked up not giving a shit), so I'll keep one eye on it.

    Don't get me wrong, I'll definitely watch it at some point.

    But since that Bok win the have lost to Aus, Ireland x 2, Fiji, Wales, Argentina, and Scotland x3.

    They've beaten Romania, Georgia x 2. Tonga, Canada, Samoa and the USA.

    Their most credible result was a draw in France.

    They don't get flogged anymore, and the results above say their ranking is pretty much right, around the top of the 2nd tier.

    God fucken bless!

    I must say after they beat S.A. in the World Cup as something of a Sweaty Socks fan I was relieved they had a pretty short turnaround and got overwhelmed in the second half.



  • Most of the intrigue for me will be around how Joseph, Plumtree and co get the Japanese team working. I'm not sure of the strength of the current Japanese team but I do remember they gave a stronger AB team some problems initially in 2013, particularly in the scrum.

    The game is on a good time to watch, better than the following test vs England.



  • Japan is paying $31 to beat this AB Barbarians team.

    It's probably worth $5 in a two-horse race!



  • @chris-b said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    Japan is paying $31 to beat this AB Barbarians team.

    It's probably worth $5 in a two-horse race!

    yeeeeaaaa, think I'll use a bonus bet...



  • @bovidae said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    Most of the intrigue for me will be around how Joseph, Plumtree and co get the Japanese team working. I'm not sure of the strength of the current Japanese team but I do remember they gave a stronger AB team some problems initially in 2013, particularly in the scrum.

    They put a reasonable fight vs the World XV last week

    Full match from youtube if anyone is interested:



  • @mariner4life An early red card and it's game on! 🙂



  • @chris-b said in Japan vs All Blacks:

    @mariner4life An early red card and it's game on! 🙂

    SBW is going to play?



  • For Aussie based Ferner's, this game will be televised on BeIn Sports 3 at 4:35 pm.

    Was checking on FoxSports and almost had a panic attack when I couldn't find it.

    Checking now on the other AB games.

    Cheers


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