Breaking Potential terror attack Melbourne
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@nta I know what you mean about feeling a bit sorry for the new cop but I'd turn it around and not let good intentioned people let him feel trauma or even victimhood ( I know you weren't doing that).
Rather reinforce the truth, he acted heroically and precisely. He's free from any criticism and while ending a human life is tough on the psyche, he should view this incident, forever, as a time he stood up for and protected society. He should look back with absolute pride.But modern day softcocks will doubtlessly fill him with victimhood mentality veiled as "counselling and support "
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@siam I agree with you about what that officer should be proud of. He did his job in a tough situation.
People react differently to ending life, human or otherwise. Whatever sort of support he needs, he'll get it - that may mean convincing the shrinks that he's not going through anything at all. That can be the toughest part - some people are just wired that way and will move past it quickly.
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@nta said in Breaking Potential terror attack Melbourne:
@booboo @Rembrandt I assume Australian Liberty Alliance?
Yep that's the one, an offshoot of the Q Society
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All you need to know about the Melbourne murder is right here link text.
Forget the dirty, rotten primitive migrant African and his mongrel family - all "lone wolves" evidently - ignore the timid, typically hesitant, politically marketable reaction from the stupid, stupid amateur Victorian police* and the platitudes pouring forth from Prime Minister Morrison (who, in a bizarre twist, focused on a muslim family he has visited who "tragically" lost 4 sons fighting for ISIS!!!) and Premier Andrews - just have a long hard look at the exceptional life sacrificed by these appalling people so that they may continue with their disgraceful failures.
I was generally aware something had happened in Melbourne and ignored it, on the basis that it sounded as if we were still on track with the surrender of the West. At my wife’s urging, after she saw and recognised a photo of the victim on 7 News, I have done a little research and discovered he was Sisto Malaspina, one of the joint owners of the iconic Pellegrini’s Café in Bourke Street.
I assume there are some here who do business in Melbourne CBD and who have had a coffee at Pellegrini's and enjoyed the gentle peace during the day and the busy noise and laughter in the evenings until late. The owners are happy, chatty, charismatic old Italians who can rabbit on about soccer, politics, some recent personal event, AFL or why one should try the pastry on offer with cream and ice cream, matched with this coffee or that. Their manner with customers is as if they were merely continuing a chat with a neighbour from just yesterday - grinning all the while, laughing at their own jokes. Have a look at the photo of this good, good man and you will understand immediately.
They’ve been at it since the mid ’70s and it hasn’t much changed since I was introduced to it 40 years ago – long and narrow with bits and pieces of memorabilia on the wall over the bar. I have been in and out of Melbourne from my Sydney and Gold Coast bases for the whole of my business life, eating and sleeping at the Paris end of Collins Street, mostly at the splendid Regent Hotel, Collins Place.
Chinatown, Pellegrini and the fine Florentinos restaurant just alongside became favourite places to dine and enjoy while away. The area has a style about it reminiscent of mid town New York and restaurants here offer service at the same exceptional level.
Ironically Sisto Malaspina and his mate Nino are outstanding examples of successful migration, a couple of Italians who landed here with nought, who got on with the job right from the jump and who haven’t stopped working in 45 years since. These fellas offered happiness, joy, vibrancy, sparkle and an an unswerving amusement at life itself to a wide community of those who work and live in that part of the CBD.
He should not have died like this and, in a rare mood for me, I find it heartbreaking, simply heartbreaking. The Australian way I knew is being systematically, deliberately destroyed.
The black Africans should not be anywhere near Australia, they are incompatible by any measure. The mob from countries in that region have been running rampant in street crime, burglaries and robberies for years now in Melbourne and no-one does anything about it because it is not happening. The police and their union have been enthusiastically complicit in the suppression of crime statistics. "Courageous cops" I see further up this thread - pigs they are!
The politicians ignore any criticism directed at them.They create community leadership groups of elders, to curry favour with the elders who do precisely nothing as tribal elders; to create a vehicle to channel free money to them; and they write up grand statements of objectives ... for people who are illiterate ... and promise to not send police patrols into their area, or into the profitable surrounding suburbs, except at 10:00 to 11:15 on Tuesdays and midday to 14:00 on Thursdays.
These dishonourable, deceitful ponces will be lining up all next week to cuddle up to the black Africans because "Police say his family is well known and respected within the Somali community in Melbourne" and there is a State election in Victoria later this month. You can bet your life that the complicit media will voluntarily not photograph them attending Abdul's funeral.
Sisto Malaspina is dead. Big deal.
*they have form in such things - Google "Gargasoulas" to read all about the last palooka to drive along the Bourke Street, Melbourne footpath in January 2017, knocking down 33 pedestrians, hospitalising 27 and killing three-month-old Zachary Matthew-Bryant, Tahlia Hakin, 10, Yosuke Kanno, 25, Jessica Mudie, 23, and 33-year-olds Matthew Si and Bhavita Patel. Oh, and he stabbed his brother several times too, before leaving home to be followed about by the police for 12 hours. Yes, they followed him for 12 hours and it wasn't until his car conked out, choking on the dead flesh, broken bones, blood, coffee tables, umbrellas and chairs, that they felt justified in moving in and taking action ... with mops and buckets to clean up their mess.
In their considered opinion the lives of Zachary, Tahlia, Yosuke, Jessica, Matthew and Bhavita were a fair price to pay for their own self protection. For 12 hours of that day those innocents had an invisible big black cross hovering over them that they knew nothing about, but the police did. James Gargasoulas is alive today, together with the dozens of police who, at the end, in reality stood as spectators watching and taking notes as James drove donuts and baited them outside Flinders Street Station for 15 minutes before allowing him to mount the kerb in Bourke Street to first kill a three month old ("Witnesses saw Gargasoulas appear to drive deliberately at people without hesitation and went out of his way to hit a pram containing a baby and toddler").
He is being tried in the Supreme Court right now - the judge and police analysts and social workers and various enablers will be listening earnestly, compassionately, non-judgmentally to all the reasons why he is not guilty during next week when sweet, innocent James the real victim gives evidence. They already know a lot about him 'cos he was on a "watch list" too, just like Abdul the Dead from Friday evening. That means they have his name written down on a writing pad somewhere in Records Section.
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Pelligrini’s is a regular meeting place for me on Bourke Street. Sad news about Sisto.
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Avi's discovered the Islam recruitment station next to where Sisto was hacked to death. I don't like Avi's tactics but its amazing to see these Muslim blokes referencing 'The Age' and 'Huffington Post' as their proof that these attacks weren't related to islam.
7 attacks (carried out and foiled) in 2 years but yeah "Refugees Welcome", "Diversity is our strength", "Religion of peace" etc etc until next time.. -
@act-crusader said in Breaking Potential terror attack Melbourne:
@jegga Trolley Man’s criminal record has caught up with him and police have charged him with a string of burglaries and other offences. The positive thing is that he does want to turn his life around.
Homeless people normally have a few issues with police and mental health issues or substance abuse so it’s not exactly surprising unfortunately. I hope they have something in place for the money they raised for him
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@Rembrandt nothing wrong with the PMs comments at all, was careful to specify the issue was not with all Muslims but with Islamic Extremism. Those people saying it was irresponsible are bare faced liars doing everything they can to shift focus away from the fundamentals that have taken root within their community.
Also, comparing terrorism to domestic violence is just about the stupidest thing I've heard.
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@jegga said in Breaking Potential terror attack Melbourne:
@act-crusader said in Breaking Potential terror attack Melbourne:
@jegga Trolley Man’s criminal record has caught up with him and police have charged him with a string of burglaries and other offences. The positive thing is that he does want to turn his life around.
Homeless people normally have a few issues with police and mental health issues or substance abuse so it’s not exactly surprising unfortunately. I hope they have something in place for the money they raised for him
Indeed. Trolley Man is well known in the CBD. I’ve spoken to him before and there is a bit going on there. Apparently that gofundme money will be held in trust.
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@no-quarter said in Breaking Potential terror attack Melbourne:
@Rembrandt nothing wrong with the PMs comments at all, was careful to specify the issue was not with all Muslims but with Islamic Extremism. Those people saying it was irresponsible are bare faced liars doing everything they can to shift focus away from the fundamentals that have taken root within their community.
This is the thing that really bugs me at the moment. Is it really Islamic extremism? Or is it just Islam as it is actually prescribed in the Qu'ran and Hadith, and this was just a guy following through with what it says?
Most (all?) Muslims believe Mohammed was unquestioningly the perfect man and that the Qu'ran is the literal and unalterable word of God. Now I've only read about 1/3rd of the Qu'ran but enough to get me pretty damn worried. I went to an Islamic open day at the Islamic museum here in Melbourne and asked a few telling questions and the response I got was 'well your version of the Qu'ran must be a bad translate' (I received mine from islam-australia.com) and then advised that I needed to speak Arabic to understand what was really meant...damn convenient that. I genuinely can't tell whether there is some subtleties I am missing or whether these folk, maybe out of fear or just sheer doctrinal or cultural brainwashing have never considered that their beliefs could be immoral..or even worse could they know and they just don't want people to find out?
When Armin Navabi went to Lakemba, Sydney a few weeks back to ask Muslims on the street there thoughts on criticising Islam an Australian born bloke proudly stated that that it's "Islam or death". This is exactly what the Qu'ran states so is this guy then a part of this Islamic extremism for believing in the Qu'ran as its written? Or would he only be an extremist when he raises the knife? To my mind its pretty obvious who he would be backing if he saw Kalif Shire Ali hacking away at Sisto and other passerby's, all he was doing was following through with the doctrine that he agrees with.
The last 2 attacks were within 5-10 minutes walk from me (Well last 3 if you count the Greek attack) and the fact I wasn't caught up was more chance than anything. My little sister narrowly avoided the last one, her manager had let her out of work a little early but she decided to have a wine with a colleague. If she hadn't the 5 minute walk to her tram stop would have put her exactly within hacking range of this jihadist.
I was already pretty concerned about Islam but when these issues become an actual existential threat to both yourself and your immediate family and you see the general populace not really giving a damn, or even worse excusing it all away, well it all becomes a little too real.
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@rembrandt said in Breaking Potential terror attack Melbourne:
@no-quarter said in Breaking Potential terror attack Melbourne:
@Rembrandt nothing wrong with the PMs comments at all, was careful to specify the issue was not with all Muslims but with Islamic Extremism. Those people saying it was irresponsible are bare faced liars doing everything they can to shift focus away from the fundamentals that have taken root within their community.
This is the thing that really bugs me at the moment. Is it really Islamic extremism? Or is it just Islam as it is actually prescribed in the Qu'ran and Hadith, and this was just a guy following through with what it says?
Most (all?) Muslims believe Mohammed was unquestioningly the perfect man and that the Qu'ran is the literal and unalterable word of God. Now I've only read about 1/3rd of the Qu'ran but enough to get me pretty damn worried. I went to an Islamic open day at the Islamic museum here in Melbourne and asked a few telling questions and the response I got was 'well your version of the Qu'ran must be a bad translate' (I received mine from islam-australia.com) and then advised that I needed to speak Arabic to understand what was really meant...damn convenient that. I genuinely can't tell whether there is some subtleties I am missing or whether these folk, maybe out of fear or just sheer doctrinal or cultural brainwashing have never considered that their beliefs could be immoral..or even worse could they know and they just don't want people to find out?
When Armin Navabi went to Lakemba, Sydney a few weeks back to ask Muslims on the street there thoughts on criticising Islam an Australian born bloke proudly stated that that it's "Islam or death". This is exactly what the Qu'ran states so is this guy then a part of this Islamic extremism for believing in the Qu'ran as its written? Or would he only be an extremist when he raises the knife? To my mind its pretty obvious who he would be backing if he saw Kalif Shire Ali hacking away at Sisto and other passerby's, all he was doing was following through with the doctrine that he agrees with.
The last 2 attacks were within 5-10 minutes walk from me (Well last 3 if you count the Greek attack) and the fact I wasn't caught up was more chance than anything. My little sister narrowly avoided the last one, her manager had let her out of work a little early but she decided to have a wine with a colleague. If she hadn't the 5 minute walk to her tram stop would have put her exactly within hacking range of this jihadist.
I was already pretty concerned about Islam but when these issues become an actual existential threat to both yourself and your immediate family and you see the general populace not really giving a damn, or even worse excusing it all away, well it all becomes a little too real.
It is a discussion that has to be had, particularly in host countries that have had to erect bollards in their main streets and spend billions to prevent this shit. Yes it may be exploited by the racist fringe, but pretending there isn't a serious problem associated with this religion is only going to allow that racist fringe to grow not suppress it. There is no harm in having an open and frank discussion about it. This immediate knee-jerk screaming of racism or bigotry after every single one of these attacks is beyond absurd. Same with this issue of African gangs. If there is a problem then work together to deal with it. Pretending it doesn't exist because it involves people with a different skin colour is not only bizarre but is also going to make the problem far worse in the future.
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The AFP said 15 terror plots had been “disrupted” since 2014. Four plots foiled plots were described as “major.
Move along, nothing to see here. Just a minor irritant.
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Artistic bollards. The new normal? Damn that pack of lone wolves.
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@rancid-schnitzel Those bollards sicken me. In Melbourne they are generally dressed up in Rainbows, pro-refugee or anti-Australian propaganda. The sheer irony being that we have to have them because we have imported clearly a very large number of anti-australian refugees/migrants who want to murder gays amongst many other others.The idiocy here is out of this world.