MOTM v England



  • Pick your 3



  • damn, it jumped them all out of order...



  • Ardie
    Brodie
    Crotty



  • BBBR, Whitelock, Ardie, in no particular order.



  • Went for the two locks and BB.



  • Goodhue Dmac and Bbbr



  • Brodie, Beauden, Kieran Read.

    Scott Barrett, Ryan Crotty and Dane Coles excellent off the bench



  • BBBR, Read, S Barrett



  • If you believe the English press the TMO should be included in this list.



  • Went Karl and DMac for keeping us in it when England had their tails up in the first half, Retallick for his masterclass in the 2nd half



  • @booboo agreed. Whitelock a close 4th



  • Brodie DMac and Savea

    But a host of honorable mentions in Smith Whitelock Read Crotty. Pretty much everyone bar 9 and 12



  • Rettalick, Savea, Smith.

    HM: Read. Scott Barrett. McKenzie.



  • Thought that I might have been going against the general consensus given that BBBR is always great, but I watched Whitelock really closely to see if he had fallen off form as much as been mentioned (for whatever reason). He was really good. Others obviously noticed too.

    Ardie great again.
    Crotty. When he is actually on the field, and not the infirmary, he is pretty bloody reliable.



  • Savea, Brodie and DMac. Was on and off watching the game as I was at an Ortho symposium but Ardie continues to impress even though he is lightweight, BBBR very solid and DMac was involved in the offensive breaks which help open England up.



  • Crotty showed his experience in the wet too. Ran hard and straight and took some great lines. On reflection I think that is where SBW has fallen down in the last 12-18 months. He's looking for a single touch to make an offload or a grubber, and isn't bending or breaking the line like he used too. Still did well on D imo while he was on, early on in the game we were getting dealt to with their kicking and width of attack.



  • Disagree with McKenzie, five turnovers conceded. Not good enough in the wet, despite bravery and great on attack



  • My thoughts on who definitely was not MOTM here:

    https://www.thesilverfern.com/2018/11/11/phew-abs-escape-on-armistice-day/



  • BBBR, BB and Goodhue.



  • Savea, Whitelock, B. Barrett

    Tu’inukuafe, Retallick and Crotty next best.



  • I can't vote as there is nothing there for me but BBBR, Savea and Whitlelock or Crotty (can't decide and don't have to yet!)

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  • I went for Whitelock, BBR and Crotty.

    On reflection Read should be in the three, his general play was solid, captaincy was very good.

    The call to go for the try rather than the three points in last five minutes of the first half was crucial, fortune favours the brave but what could have been 15-3 at halftime became 15-10.

    Big balls!



  • Beauden, Brodie, Damien



  • BB, BBBR and Crotty for me.
    Retallick was the most influential player on the pitch. He destroyed the English lineout which helped to relieve the pressure on NZ.
    Beauden Barrett's 100% success with the boot proved decisive as NZ won by a one point point margin only. The poor execution of the bex kicks came from both halfbacks, not from him.
    Ryan Crotty was the outstanding All Black in attack. The NZ try was scored thanks to him.
    Honorable mention to Ben Smith, Big Karl, Goodhue and Ardie. S. Whitelock was very busy, as usual, but could not make the hard yards, probably because he's physically cooked. Codie Taylor needs a rest, too.
    DMac was DMac, with ups and downs.



  • BBBR might be the most important player in our team. We are a totally different proposition with him there. BB wins a game with his boot, wonder never cease. Ardie is born again hardcore. I can't believe he is the same player, much maligned, who sat behind Matt Todd in the pecking order early in the year



  • @cgrant said in MOTM v England:

    BB, BBBR and Crotty for me.
    Retallick was the most influential player on the pitch. He destroyed the English lineout which helped to relieve the pressure on NZ.
    Beauden Barrett's 100% success with the boot proved decisive as NZ won by a one point point margin only. The poor execution of the bex kicks came from both halfbacks, not from him.
    Ryan Crotty was the outstanding All Black in attack. The NZ try was scored thanks to him.
    Honorable mention to Ben Smith, Big Karl, Goodhue and Ardie. S. Whitelock was very busy, as usual, but could not make the hard yards, probably because he's physically cooked. Codie Taylor needs a rest, too.
    DMac was DMac, with ups and downs.

    Ups and downs yes, but the ups outweighed the downs and the ups scored points while the downs didn't concede them.
    He got one of my votes (with BBBR and Savea) for the beautiful line he ran for the try, straight as an arrow and perfectly timed. Should have had the kudos for creating another as well.



  • @crucial Macca had a very good game



  • @cgrant said in MOTM v England:

    BB, BBBR and Crotty for me.
    Retallick was the most influential player on the pitch. He destroyed the English lineout which helped to relieve the pressure on NZ.
    Beauden Barrett's 100% success with the boot proved decisive as NZ won by a one point point margin only. The poor execution of the bex kicks came from both halfbacks, not from him.
    Ryan Crotty was the outstanding All Black in attack. The NZ try was scored thanks to him.
    Honorable mention to Ben Smith, Big Karl, Goodhue and Ardie. S. Whitelock was very busy, as usual, but could not make the hard yards, probably because he's physically cooked. Codie Taylor needs a rest, too.
    DMac was DMac, with ups and downs.

    You saved me a post. Exactly that.



  • Retallick, Savea, Dmac for me



  • BBBR by far. Then Ardie and DMac.



  • @machpants said in MOTM v England:

    Disagree with McKenzie, five turnovers conceded. Not good enough in the wet, despite bravery and great on attack

    England targeted him with the high ball in wet conditions and he was often isolated with bugger-all support. His only other option, other than to concede a turnover, was to concede a kickable penalty in his own 22/half. DMac's decision-making on defence was bloody impressive.



  • Retallick
    Savea
    MacKenzie



  • @victor-meldrew said in MOTM v England:

    @machpants said in MOTM v England:

    Disagree with McKenzie, five turnovers conceded. Not good enough in the wet, despite bravery and great on attack

    England targeted him with the high ball in wet conditions and he was often isolated with bugger-all support. His only other option, other than to concede a turnover, was to concede a kickable penalty in his own 22/half. DMac's decision-making on defence was bloody impressive.

    I agree. Watched the game twice, DMac was excellent.

    I presume the 5 turnovers from the stats quoted above must include conceding the 5m scrum and the ball and all tackle into touch? Maybe even his attacking chase of an up and under which he knocked on? Because I didn't seem him conceding what I consider a turnover.



  • @rapido said in MOTM v England:

    I presume the 5 turnovers from the stats quoted above must include conceding the 5m scrum and the ball and all tackle into touch? Maybe even his attacking chase of an up and under which he knocked on? Because I didn't seem him conceding what I consider a turnover.

    he also got barrelled by Owen Farrell during his break up the middle in the second half causing him to knock on - but I agree DMac was terrific.



  • @kiwimurph said in MOTM v England:

    @rapido said in MOTM v England:

    I presume the 5 turnovers from the stats quoted above must include conceding the 5m scrum and the ball and all tackle into touch? Maybe even his attacking chase of an up and under which he knocked on? Because I didn't seem him conceding what I consider a turnover.

    he also got barrelled by Owen Farrell during his break up the middle in the second half causing him to knock on - but I agree DMac was terrific.

    Actually, That also probable counts as one of the 5 turnovers.

    It wasn't a loose carry, it's not even a mistake IMO. It was a great tackle that deliberately attempted to punch the ball out.



  • @rapido

    Yeah, you have to be a bit careful about that, because they tend to count anything to leads to possession changing hands as being a turnover (they were updated to 6 on ESPN). I didn't include them in my write up for the reasons you've outlined.



  • @victor-meldrew said in MOTM v England:

    England targeted him with the high ball in wet conditions and he was often isolated with bugger-all support.

    I thought Garces was very liberal with his interpretation of contesting high balls. Ashton took out DMac once in the air without ever competing for the ball, and the time SBW knocked the ball on he was clearly bumped before he even caught the ball.



  • @machpants If BB can get votes (and he's getting them) then DMac can. BB put the ABs under pressure with poor execution in the first half.

    However, BBBR, Ardie and Whitelock for me.

    @paekakboyz said in MOTM v England:

    . On reflection I think that is where SBW has fallen down in the last 12-18 months. He's looking for a single touch to make an offload or a grubber, and isn't bending or breaking the line like he used too.

    Yep, he's reverted to his pre Chiefs style of play. Agreed he needs to just tuck the ball and run like he was doing a few years ago. Mix it up a bit.



  • @nepia whereas the work ons for laumape are to distribute and kick! He's doing a better job of rounding out his toolkit than SBW at the moment. I hope SBW hits form though in super rugby so we have as much competition as poss. But really hope that we dont pick him if he's only showing glimpses. Nonu here to save us anyway 😁



  • BTW, not exactly MoM stuff, but there was a wrap-tackle that Beauden put in on Sinckler that hammered the fat prick into the turf. If I'm ever in a position to I'm buying BB a beer just for that one joyous moment.


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