Has Hansen gone stale?



  • Never have I seen us so bereft of ideas as in the last two matches against England and Ireland.
    Where were the strategies to compliment the personnel chosen? Any evidence of a game plan to combat conditions and patterns of the NH?
    Most glaring and disappointing of all, where was the ability to change the game plan when it was obvious to all it wasn't working i.e. to persist with a kicking game which was woefully ineffectual, against NH teams when this is their meat and drink?
    Where has the ceativity gone?
    Discuss.



  • @shadowtrooper would love to get back on the Fern in 2014.

    http://www.allblacks.com/Fixtures/2014

    we had a very average season then too -- scraped past England (1 point in Dunners), then drew with Aus, sneaked past SA and lost to Aus in Brisvegas, before sneaking past England at home, and not playing well against Wales or Scotland. I'm pretty sure the Fern went into meltdown too.

    I'm not saying we're fine, but it could well be part of a wider strategy. Frankly, the last two weeks the boys looked pretty fatigued. I thought they did amazingly well agianst England (who comes back from15 down at Twickers, ever?) and just didn't get there against a good Irish side.

    So, yes maybe stale. But maybe, we're just playing a certain way trying to build some patterns for the RWC.



  • Can we get Henry and Smith back in for 2019?

    Seriously.



  • The concern for me , was the struggle in our attack against the lions defense last year ,

    And against a similar defense last night , there was very little to suggest we have come up with any ideas on how to unlock it .



  • Hansen stale? I blame Foster and hope he never becomes AB coach. Isn’t he coaching the backs? Doesn’t matter if he is coaching the forwards he is the weak link.



  • Mcleod is stealing a living too.



  • @kiwiinmelb said in Has Hansen gone stale?:

    The concern for me , was the struggle in our attack against the lions defense last year ,

    And against a similar defense last night , there was very little to suggest we have come up with any ideas on how to unlock it .

    Yes to the Irish game. But last year we dominated test 1, should have won test 2 but for the red card, and were a didn't referring decision and Savea's hands away from test three.

    We set a high bar. It's great, but let's not get too panicked quite yet



  • @nzzp said in Has Hansen gone stale?:

    @shadowtrooper would love to get back on the Fern in 2014.

    http://www.allblacks.com/Fixtures/2014

    we had a very average season then too -- scraped past England (1 point in Dunners), then drew with Aus, sneaked past SA and lost to Aus in Brisvegas, before sneaking past England at home, and not playing well against Wales or Scotland. I'm pretty sure the Fern went into meltdown too.

    I'm not saying we're fine, but it could well be part of a wider strategy. Frankly, the last two weeks the boys looked pretty fatigued. I thought they did amazingly well agianst England (who comes back from15 down at Twickers, ever?) and just didn't get there against a good Irish side.

    So, yes maybe stale. But maybe, we're just playing a certain way trying to build some patterns for the RWC.

    We won in Brisbane in 2014, needed a last minute try and Slade’s conversion to do so though. It was the match where Ewen quit after.



  • @unite right you are, sorry.



  • On the bright side, I hope the following two thigs from this loss:

    1. We still retain RWC in a titanic rematch next year
    2. Our new coach will be Joe Schmidt, ushering another 10 years of quality rugby


  • so, if we do retain the RWC, are we happy with this loss to get it?

    Do we want our unblemished record v Ireland back or a 3-peat? Think I'd take the former TBH...not sure us winning 3 RWC's in a row does the game or tournament any favours.



  • @taniwharugby said in Has Hansen gone stale?:

    so, if we do retain the RWC, are we happy with this loss to get it?

    Do we want our unblemished record v Ireland back or a 3-peat? Think I'd take the former TBH...not sure us winning 3 RWC's in a row does the game or tournament any favours.

    i want to win everything, all the time, while at the same developing an entire squad of test quality players, and new innovative rugby

    Is that too much to ask?



  • I wouldn't care that much if we lost to Argentina, Scotland or even Italy outside of a RWC if they legitimately deserved the win and were also vying for the number one spot. Losses like that are nothing compared to not winning a world cup.



  • @mofitzy_

    so you'd be ok to suck for 3 years of 'friendlies' as long as we won the RWC?



  • @taniwharugby
    No, but I also don't think losing outside of a RWC to a team who never beaten us but is also is the best/second best in the world is as bad as losing to any team in a world cup - or losing to a team that isn't competing for the top spot for that matter.



  • @mofitzy_ my 2 posts above were separate and I dont necessarily agree with myself if you talk to both of them together.

    First post, I'd take not winning next years RWC to regain our unbeaten record with Ireland, but thats not to say they didnt deserve the win today and I think I am more ok with losing to them than I woulda been last week...

    What I dont like is where a win might be sacrificed solely with an eye on a RWC, if this ends up being the case then we will end up with friendlies and less interest in between RWCs.

    We hear comments about changing of game plans, trying different things, keeping powder dry and all that, which I believe is a small part of our form this last few months, but on the flipside, I'd prefer we went out there with our 'a game' week in week out, have your back ups when it doesnt work - but ultimately, do what works.



  • Ahhh fuck it, I'm old and most of my AB supporting life we've not been world cup holders. Come that day again, it'll be like putting on some old comfy slippers 😁

    I'm in the please let this be a powder dry season camp, just because I can't stomach that the empire has slid so far in a year. Hardly an imperious year on the battlefield though was it?



  • @siam said in Has Hansen gone stale?:

    Come that day again, it'll be like putting on some old comfy slippers

    Fuck that. Get angry and win. Terrible year, probably lose to Italy next. I am not happy about the way this is going.

    A bit melodramatic, but we are losing the edge.



  • Absolutely he’s gone stale. His assistants are a big part of it, but some of his public comments during/since the Lions tour suggest the edge is well gone.

    He originally planned to step down mid-RWC cycle to avoid this, he might have been right to do so, but then we’d have had Foster - so we need an onto it Hansen back.



  • @donsteppa We could try and get that prick Schmidt but Rennie is the man I reckon.

    One fucking loss and I want to sack the lot of them!


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