Beauden’s kicking stats - is it the ball?



  • Obviously doesn’t into account the difference in the difficulty of the kicks/weather/etc but I thought these were interesting stats.



  • The sample size is greater for the Gilbert in 2018, but there are enough home games with the Adidas ball to derive some conclusions. When using the Gilbert this year, Beauden Barrett has a world-class 81.8% goal-kicking success rate compared with a miserable 54.5% success rate with the Adidas ball.

    Can someone tally the stats on a per-match basis, then compile ANOVA tests for each year and overall? 😉



  • I knew the ABs should have taken the Nike sponsorship! At least Gilberts at RWC 😃



  • @kirwan without reading the article... Does he only kick Adidas for home games?



  • He's a professional. Practice with all types of balls.

    Solved.

    Perhaps I should be taken on as the NZ 'Common Sense' Coach.



  • @bones said in Beauden’s kicking stats - is it the ball?:

    @kirwan without reading the article... Does he only kick Adidas for home games?

    Yes. And with a much lower percentage.

    With Gilbert he’s 80% plus or something



  • @mikethesnow said in Beauden’s kicking stats - is it the ball?:

    He's a professional. Practice with all types of balls.

    Solved.

    Perhaps I should be taken on as the NZ 'Common Sense' Coach.

    Perhaps. I’m sure he does, although Super Rugby is a Gilbert ball so he’ll have much more practice with that ball.

    The interesting question is do other kickers have a similar drop?



  • @tim

    As geeky as I am, I won't bother. However I'll bet that it's significant at .05 (at least), and it would be interesting to keep track of it. @Kirwan is right - it would be interesting to see if this is a predictor of better or worse kicking for others.

    Certainly gives us some hope for the WC!



  • @kirwan Didn't Wilkinson have an absolute shocker at the 07 RWC or something with one of the balls?



  • It isn't simply a matter of practising with both balls. The balls themselves react slightly differently to the same style of kick. You would either have to change your one style to work on both or have different style for different balls.
    It comes down to a couple of factors with the ball. One is slight shape variations which alter the sweet spot, the other is the aerodynamics from shape and grip dot pattern.
    Some kickers have a very precise style that relies on doing the same motion and aim every time so if the ball they are kicking has a different 'need' to optimum strike then they have to find whether they can meet that need in the setup.
    Another big difference is the tee. When trying to find a method that may work best with both balls it can potentially be achieved with a slight adjustment in ball presentation on the tee.

    That stats in that article look to highlight that BBs style does not suit the adidas ball which isn't hugely surprising as adidas balls in other sports have also attracted criticism regarding flight from some players. BBs style is also to kick the ball very low on the point (avoiding the traditional 'sweet spot'). Any flight variation is hugely noticeable with this style.
    0_1543418606730_tee v sa.PNG

    I have watched him closely over the last few years try different things to get better. He has changed tee from the one in the pic above to this golf tee style

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    He has experiment with using less force, stabbing low and also getting under the ball more.
    The big trick is establishing a repeatable method that suits not only any ball being used but underfoot conditions (the plant foot is critical) and has predictable behaviour with various wind conditions. For some kickers, their natural style works, for others they have to decide on the one or various method approach.

    PS: my self proclaimed knowledge in this area was gained through hours and hours honing my son's technique as he was his team's kicker from age 5 right through his school years and he took an approach like perfecting a cricket shot.
    I myself was a toe hacker with limited success.



  • Still to little data to truly draw a conclusion but lets say it is the case (or at least if Barrett feels it is the case)...

    Surely at that point you want Jordie or D Mac to do the goal kicking during the abridged home season next year and just let Beauden kick with the Gilbert for a year straight leading into RWC.

    Still not convinced, we haven't seen overseas kickers with even less experience with the Adidas ball soil themselves when they come to NZ nor have any of our previous kickers had the same issues.

    Oh and while we are at it bring back the neon yellow balls from '99.



  • @rotated said in Beauden’s kicking stats - is it the ball?:

    Still to little data to truly draw a conclusion but lets say it is the case (or at least if Barrett feels it is the case)...

    Surely at that point you want Jordie or D Mac to do the goal kicking during the abridged home season next year and just let Beauden kick with the Gilbert for a year straight leading into RWC.

    Still not convinced, we haven't seen overseas kickers with even less experience with the Adidas ball soil themselves when they come to NZ nor have any of our previous kickers had the same issues.

    Oh and while we are at it bring back the neon yellow balls from '99.

    The lemon? Fuck no! That thing randomly jumped sideways in flight like it was hitting air pockets. IIRC it performed amazingly for distance when spiral kicked though.



  • @rotated said in Beauden’s kicking stats - is it the ball?:

    Still to little data to truly draw a conclusion but lets say it is the case (or at least if Barrett feels it is the case)...

    Surely at that point you want Jordie or D Mac to do the goal kicking during the abridged home season next year and just let Beauden kick with the Gilbert for a year straight leading into RWC.

    Still not convinced, we haven't seen overseas kickers with even less experience with the Adidas ball soil themselves when they come to NZ nor have any of our previous kickers had the same issues.

    Oh and while we are at it bring back the neon yellow balls from '99.

    That colour was awesome for TV, now with players sometimes in white boots/headgear or even with strapping it can be hard to spot the ball in a ruck sometimes.

    Or I'm just old.



  • @kirwan Probably both, but I agree - boots are black, ball is white or whatever flouro colour you want.


  • Banned

    Makes sense given that he kicks like shit during the home season then barely misses in the NH tour.



  • @kirwan pleased it's not just me who hates white boots and headgear while watching rucks 😁



  • @kirwan Are the Japanese going to showcase highend broadcast tech, like 2160p60? Or is going to be the usual 1080p25?



  • Even if they do, we won't be seeing streamed at that by Spark! Probably be 720P



  • @tim said in Beauden’s kicking stats - is it the ball?:

    @kirwan Are the Japanese going to showcase highend broadcast tech, like 2160p60? Or is going to be the usual 1080p25?

    Sorry, no idea.


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