Magpies - 2019 Mitre 10 Cup



  • @Stargazer said in Magpies - 2019 Mitre 10 Cup:

    What about Patrick Teddy, Liam Udy-Johns and Shamara Brooks?

    They all came on during the second half when Wairarapa Bush started coming back into the game.

    Scrum was not as dominant when Teddy was there but that is not all down to one man. Udy Johns got some lineout ball, and Brooks was similar to Drury-Hawkins in just being a link and passing the ball on - again this may have been under instruction.

    In the pre-game lineups posted previously - Ricky Hayes, Saia Paese, Sean Morrison did not play.

    There was a guy from Japan - Masahiro Senba - who came on at number eight for the last five minutes. I have never heard of him.

    Edit: @Higgins - the next preseason match, against Manawatu at McLean Park on July 3 is a 6pm kickoff.



  • @Number-10 said in Magpies - 2019 Mitre 10 Cup:

    There was a guy from Japan - Masahiro Senba - who came on at number eight for the last five minutes. I have never heard of him.

    Presumably for Wairarapa-Bush? We seem to have a fair few decent No 8s running around available for the Bay without needing foreign imports. Even then if the worst comes to the worst we could always politely request TBW to make himself available again after reminding him Mr. Philpott is no longer involved.



  • @Higgins That Japanese player may be a player who's temporarily in the Bay for the international academy programme. I doubt he'll be competing for a spot in the Magpies (or even the Saracens) squad, unless he's here on similar terms as other foreigners we've had in the squad, like that Canadian prop a few years ago. We've had another one, that I've forgotten. Hopefully, he isn't a new, Japanese version of Nick Palmer 😳

    Yes, for no. 8 we have Evans, Mikaele-Tu'u, Flanders, a players who's signing hasn't yet been announced (so can't be named). Liam Udy-John's is maybe a bit raw for Mitre 10 Cup level, but surely he's ahead of any import in the pecking order, too? Fa'alemiga Selesele is still playing in the Bay, too. Oh, and Hannon Brighouse.



  • @Stargazer said in Magpies - 2019 Mitre 10 Cup:

    @Higgins That Japanese player may be a player who's temporarily in the Bay for the international academy programme. I doubt he'll be competing for a spot in the Magpies (or even the Saracens) squad, unless he's here on similar terms as other foreigners we've had in the squad, like that Canadian prop a few years ago. We've had another one, that I've forgotten. Hopefully, he isn't a new, Japanese version of Nick Palmer 😳

    Yes, for no. 8 we have Evans, Mikaele-Tu'u, Flanders, a players who's signing hasn't yet been announced (so can't be named). Liam Udy-John's is maybe a bit raw for Mitre 10 Cup level, but surely he's ahead of any import in the pecking order, too? Fa'alemiga Selesele is still playing in the Bay, too. Oh, and Hannon Brighouse.

    I'm horrified about that, how can anyone possibly forget Luke Rooney?



  • @Higgins I had even forgotten that I had forgotten him. I don't remember him at all haha.

    The Canadian prop is Jason Marshall. Before that, there was Max Lahiff. We've also had Frenchie Regis Lespinas and South African Johan Schoonbee. Geez, I'm going to stop now ...



  • Oh dear, Johan Schoonbee. I often wonder why I still wake up with nightmares through the night from time to time. Thanks for proving a logical answer to that puzzle.



  • Considering the HBRU seem to be doing their announcements via the HBT rather than on their own media platforms, I think it's safe to say it's now official:

    Isaia Walker-Leawere has signed with the Magpies for 3 years, and Brendon O'Connor is returning to the Bay. This article doesn't say for how many seasons though.



  • Magpies wider training squad for the July 3 pre-season match against Manawatu

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    From HBRU Facebook:

    Mark, Josh and Francisco have announced a 42 man wider training squad who will prepare for the July 3 pre-season match against Manawatu at Napier's McLean Park. 
    
    "We've got the likes of Donovan Mataira, Liam Udy-Johns and Tyrone Dodd-Edwards in there. They are seen as potential future Magpies and while it may not be this year it will be in the next year or two."
    
    "This squad has a good mix of older and younger guys. While all of them may not play against Manawatu being involved in the training's will assist their progress," Ozich said. 
    
    Congratulations to all those named in the squad. 
    

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    From HBT:

    Hawke's Bay Magpies utility back Stacey Ili will return to the province on Sunday and will play club rugby for Napier Old Boys Marist from June 22.
    
    The return of Ili and former Magpies prop Jody Allen are features of a 42-strong Magpies squad named today to prepare for the July 3 pre-season match against Manawatu at Napier's McLean Park. Ili, 28, played 10 first class games for the Magpies in the starting XV last year, nine at centre and one at first five-eighth, before heading overseas for a stint with the Singapore-based Asia Pacific Dragons in the Global Rapid competition.
    
    Before coming to the Bay last year Ili spent two years with Irish provincial side Connacht after previous playing for Auckland and Melbourne Rising.
    
    Allen, 31, played the last of his 10 first class games for the Magpies in 2013. The former North Harbour rep recently returned to the Bay after playing in Spain and had his first starting XV appearance for Taradale Rugby and Sports against Napier Pirate Rugby and Sports at the weekend after an appearance as a substitute the previous weekend.
    
    Ozich has also named the injured pair of Napier Old Boys Marist loosie Ricky Hayes and Napier Technical outside back Penikolo Latu. Hayes is expected to be back in action in a fortnight after recovering from a leg injury and while Latu will be out of action for another 10 weeks Ozich said it is crucial to keep Latu in the training environment.
    
    Ozich agreed his latest squad had a "developmental look".
    
    He intends to play 26 players against Manawatu.
    
    "This squad has a good mix of older and younger guys. While all of them may not play against Manawatu being involved in the trainings will assist their progress," Ozich added.
    



  • I see that McNicol and Makene have already been included. I hope that that means they will already be available to play in the preseason game. For Sam, it has been ages ago since he played, so the sooner the better from a match fitness p.o.v..

    Maybe my memory is wrong, but wasn't Jody Allen one of those props who was playing well above his level? In other words, he was terrible and he shouldn't be in the squad? I hope the fact that he has played for the Magpies previously doesn't automatically mean that he gets selected ahead of young blokes like Farrell or Tavita-Metcalfe. And if it's been Allen and Long, I'd pick Long, too.



  • Hoping (from a selfish club perspective) that McNicol and Ili get to play Maddison trophy next weekend



  • @Stargazer Yay, good to see Sam McNicol in the frame.

    Yeah, Jody Allen played 10 games 2010-2013 all off the bench. Was about 120kgs.

    Tried his luck at North Harbour and had one game for them in 2015



  • With Ben May being the benchmark Jody Allen might be in with a chance of making the Mitre10 Cup squad. He might have trimmed down a bit since the last time he appeared for the Bay.



  • @Higgins IRC, Allen is still many levels below May.



  • Oh ok, so he has got no show of making it then. From memory he seemed to be quite tall, kind of like Jeff To'omaga-Allen. Come to think of it they might be related with names like that?



  • @Higgins That's what I'm hoping ... but if they want experience ...



  • You can't get experience if you have not been playing. All you can get is more real hard physical toughness as you get older but if his technique/propping ability was not that good to start with you don't have a lot of things waving in your favour. Has he been playing oveseas in one of those non descript semi-professional leagues they have in places like Spain and Russia and French Div 2 or 3 and places like that?



  • Caleb Makene’s back too? Did we discuss this and I forgot?

    We could have a strong backline this year!



  • Bound to have. We are lucky to have Stargazer never missing anything like comings and goings of players here there and everywhere, especially those concerning the Magpies.



  • @Higgins Yep, Spain.

    From that HBT article that I quoted:

    Allen, 31, played the last of his 10 first class games for the Magpies in 2013. The former North Harbour rep recently returned to the Bay after playing in Spain and had his first starting XV appearance for Taradale Rugby and Sports against Napier Pirate Rugby and Sports at the weekend after an appearance as a substitute the previous weekend.
    

    I remember that he left Hawke's Bay to play for North Harbour, hoping to get a starting spot there. It didn't work out as he'd hoped. Then he played for VRAC (Valladolid) in Spain, the same team where Chris Eaton played last year. Apparently, he has now returned and hopes to get another shot at the Magpies.



  • I am guessing that the standard he played in Spain will be somewhere between Mitre10 Cup B Teams and Heartland Championship level than. Still if you are getting paid to play then the level of play doesn't really matter.



  • Retallick said he has also re-signed with Hawke’s Bay Rugby.
    
    “Even though I haven’t played for the ‘Mighty Magpies’ for a few years, I do want to acknowledge my connections to Hawke’s Bay and thank them as well for their support.”
    

    Geez, couldn't he slot in a game or two, in his extended break. C'mon Brodie, you know you want to ..

    http://www.allblacks.com/News/34254/retallick-signs-new-deal-to-extend-his-career



  • @Stargazer said in Magpies - 2019 Mitre 10 Cup:

    Retallick said he has also re-signed with Hawke’s Bay Rugby.
    
    “Even though I haven’t played for the ‘Mighty Magpies’ for a few years, I do want to acknowledge my connections to Hawke’s Bay and thank them as well for their support.”
    

    Geez, couldn't he slot in a game or two, in his extended break. C'mon Brodie, you know you want to ..

    http://www.allblacks.com/News/34254/retallick-signs-new-deal-to-extend-his-career

    If he does let me know he has my 3MVP points for any games he can slot in for during the break. I will also continue to vote for him 3MVP points for any ABs games he doesn't play.



  • Tongia, yeah or nah?

    Don't discount Ryan Tongia's chances of earning a Hawke's Bay Magpies rugby team recall this season.
    
    The former Papua New Guinea rugby league representative and Highlanders Super Rugby outside back who last played for the Magpies in 2016 is happy with his comeback from a 12-month spell with a knee injury and has told Magpies head coach Mark Ozich he will be available if required. Tongia, 29, will start at fullback for Progressive Meats Havelock North against Tanalised Napier Pirate Rugby and Sports in today's feature Tui Maddison Trophy eighth round encounter at Anderson Park, a match the villagers must win to stay in semifinal contention.
    
    "It's a bit like when I first came here in 2014. I have to put my hand up each weekend in club rugby and make the most of my opportunities," Tongia said.
    
    Four weeks ago he returned to the club scene with an outing for the villagers reserve grade team. Today's match will be Tongia's third this season for the premiers.
    



  • @Stargazer I see Namatahi Waa the ex northland prop is playing for Taradale.I wonder if he has a magpies deal or is just hoping for the best.



  • @kiwimatrix He isn't in the WTG that was named last month, but things can change. We'll see who will be named in the squad for the preseason game this Wednesday.



  • Two snippets from the HBT's article about this weekend's club rugby:

    Thanks to @kiwimatrix for drawing my attention to this:

    Former Blues and Northland prop Namatahi Waa provided plenty of grunt for Taradale Rugby and Sports in this Tareha Recreation Reserve victory.
    
    "Namatahi has settled in the Bay with the aim of making the Magpies in the future and he's got the goods. 
    

    Some of our Super boys are back:

    Hurricane Danny Toala and Highlander Folau Fakatava displayed the benefits of their Super Rugby experience for Auto Super Shoppe Hastings Rugby and Sports in this Flaxmere Park drubbing.
    
    Toala had stints at centre and first five-eighth and used his tremendous pace and lethal step on his way to two tries. Halfback Fakatava took the field as a 50th minute substitute and increased the tempo.
    
    His Highlanders teammate Marino Mikaele-Tu'u will return to the side this week.
    


  • Namatahi Waa went to Te Aute College and played for HB Under 18 (2008) and HB Under 20 (2009).



  • @Number-10 he's from up this way originally, but is a good prop, we never got to see the best of him due to injury, but will be a good option for you guys as he can play both sides as well



  • @taniwharugby Would he have come down from Northland or did he go overseas and has just returned?



  • @Number-10 I think he was injured early on last year (started 1st 2 games) and either didnt renew his contract or wasnt offered one.

    Only played about 30 times for Northland from 2014 through to 2018



  • @taniwharugby @Number-10 According to this post from @Steven-Harris from February 2018, he had neck surgery early last year.



  • @Stargazer yeah was a shame as I rated him (can no longer rate him if he pulls on those Black and white hoops 😉 )

    Started 8 times in 2014, 8 times in 2015, 10 times in 2017 then started his 2 games last year, was v Auckland i think he was injured.

    on the bench for 3 games for Blues in 2015



  • @taniwharugby I had a look at the Northland team line-ups from last year, and he didn't play in 2018. He last appeared in Northland's matchday 23 for the game against Auckland on 26 August 2017 (in which he left the field in the 45th minute). Could it be that you've mixed up the years?



  • @Stargazer it very well could be 🙂 just seen one of the pages I was looking at, shows it as 2017/2018 season, duh! When I click in it says 2017.

    Yeah he played 2 games in 2017, starting v BOP & Auckland



  • 🏉 4PM Curtain Raiser - Saracens vs Ahuriri
    ⏰ 6PM Kick Off HBXV vs Manawatu
    🏟 McLean Park, Napier
    🎟 $5 adults entry & covered Harris Stand seats. Kids under 14 FREE!

    Magpies squad for tomorrow's preseason game against Manawatu!

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    No McNicol, but great to see Makene named in the squad!
    Surprised to see Hayes named at lock; thought he was a loosie.
    Kaifa at 6; last season he only played 7. Not sure where he plays for Clive.
    No Kereru-Symes and Flanders, yet.

    Anyone going to this game? I'd really like to hear how some players go (Devery, McClutchie, Makene and Sheild in particular).



  • There will be plenty of interest in the form of one of their Hastings clubmates, lock Lucas Albornoz.
    
    "Lucas had a couple of games for Northland last year at Mitre 10 Cup level. This will be an opportunity to see how he can handle the physicality and speed of the game when we give him time off the subs bench," Ozich said.
    
    "He works hard and I'm eager to see how he goes at set piece time at this level," Ozich added.
    

    @taniwharugby Anything you can tell us about this player?

    I'm a bit surprised they're looking at another lock, since we already have plenty.



  • @Stargazer Won't be able to make it afterall (damn dental appointment and treatment - not to mention the rather extraordinate size of the bill!) so hopefully Number10 will be able to cast his expert eye on proceedings and give us his rundown on happening later tonight.
    Any sign of Peter Russell's 'Poo mob being named yet?



  • @Stargazer think he is a bit short for a genuine lock (at the highest level) but one of those hard working grafters, gets through a power of work and does his job efficiently.

    Unsure if he is likely to get called up for Canada in the RWC, assume not?



  • @Higgins The game is tomorrow night (Wednesday).

    Yeah, I hope @Number-10 can make it!

    Best of luck with your dental appointment. I hate those!

    Haven't seen the Evergreens' team list, yet.



  • @Stargazer Yep, hope to be at the game tomorrow night. It's supposed to start raining tomorrow afternoon/night?

    I believe the NZ U20 have a fixture to play against Fiji U20 in a week or two, this may explain the absence of Kereru-Symes and Flanders.

    I watched the NOBMarist v Clive match on Saturday and Sam McNicol had a slight limp on his left leg after being tackled to the ground in the second half, although he did play out the whole 80 - this might explain his absence.


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