Electric Vehicles
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@chimoaus how they use / replace it will be interesting. They've said it is the best vehicle to drive in the fleet according to that video.
It will definitely be the safest in the fleet for occupants. Tesla's star ratings are higher than the scale currently goes. The autopilot options could also be good for driver assistance IF they're calibrated for highway patrol.
Other than that, it is a pilot and largely an experiment. Tesla will learn a lot from this.
I see Swiss police have ordered a bunch of Kona EV for patrol vehicles - won't fit many crims in the back of one IMHO, but then maybe they don't police that way.
The BMW decision by some state jurisdictions in Oz is interesting when you compare them to QLD who have gone with fitting out Kia Stingers for their highway patrol vehicles.
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@Snowy said in Electric Vehicles:
@chimoaus said in Electric Vehicles:
I understand the electric system is more durable than combustion engines?
Something like 20 moving parts compared to an ICE with 200 - 1500 depending on who you believe / what you include.
Fuel cost saving of 70%, service cost saving a bit over 50%
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@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
The BMW decision by some state jurisdictions in Oz is interesting when you compare them to QLD who have gone with fitting out Kia Stingers for their highway patrol vehicles.
What happens when there's different levels of accountability for public money. I've been told by an AFP mate that the Kia Stinger is an impressive car.
In other news, the VW ID.R set an electric record at Nordschleife, beating the old electric record by over 40s.
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@antipodean the great thing about those videos is they keep getting shorter 😉
Zero motorcycles is attempting Pikes Peak this year. That should be cracking.
I've also heard the Stinger is amazing for ~$60k
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Hill climbs like Pikes peak are perfect for electric vehicles - one pass with bends requiring instantaneous acceleration out of corners.
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@antipodean and no tuning for altitude
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@nzzp said in Electric Vehicles:
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Tesla Model 3 has dropped here and in NZ.
Drive away price somewhere just under a BMW 3 Series for the standard model. 0-100 in 5.6s is handy.
Fully loaded, the performance model is still cheaper than an M3. And 0-100 in 3.4s will take some beating.
I've often wondered how many performance car drivers will choose a Tesla over the more traditional vehicles. There is so much more to performance cars than 0-100 times and power. Don't get me wrong, it's a huge part of it, but a perfectly balanced car will beat a poorly distributed car 10/10 for driving fun. I've not a driven a Tesla in about 2.5 years now, but Model S P85D and the roadster were both phenomenal for accelaration, but that was literally it for driving experiences. The weight of the batteries killed any handling / feel.
Top Gear compared the Model 3 Performance to a similarly priced Beamer and it came out ahead. EDIT: did a quarter mile, 0-100-0, drift, and race circuit.
Apparently the quality and driveability in the Model 3 Performance is making some Model S drivers jump ship.
Found the article Nick, it's interesting stuff:
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/calling-elons-bluff-tesla-model-3-vs-bmw-m3#11
So overall it's 3-1 to the Tesla. However for me, the final paragraph is telling, and more in synch with what I've been reading.
"But here’s the crunch: taking into account the repeatability of performance, the overall agility and the endorphin rush, it’s the BMW I’d take for one last lap of Thunderhill."
... and the next sentence is
Out on the road it’s a different story. Where the BMW’s comfort and refinement is conceded quite a bit to unlock its track potential, the Tesla is utterly uncompromised, besides having to find a Supercharger every 250 miles or so.
And ... ?
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@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
@nzzp said in Electric Vehicles:
@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
Tesla Model 3 has dropped here and in NZ.
Drive away price somewhere just under a BMW 3 Series for the standard model. 0-100 in 5.6s is handy.
Fully loaded, the performance model is still cheaper than an M3. And 0-100 in 3.4s will take some beating.
I've often wondered how many performance car drivers will choose a Tesla over the more traditional vehicles. There is so much more to performance cars than 0-100 times and power. Don't get me wrong, it's a huge part of it, but a perfectly balanced car will beat a poorly distributed car 10/10 for driving fun. I've not a driven a Tesla in about 2.5 years now, but Model S P85D and the roadster were both phenomenal for accelaration, but that was literally it for driving experiences. The weight of the batteries killed any handling / feel.
Top Gear compared the Model 3 Performance to a similarly priced Beamer and it came out ahead. EDIT: did a quarter mile, 0-100-0, drift, and race circuit.
Apparently the quality and driveability in the Model 3 Performance is making some Model S drivers jump ship.
Found the article Nick, it's interesting stuff:
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/calling-elons-bluff-tesla-model-3-vs-bmw-m3#11
So overall it's 3-1 to the Tesla. However for me, the final paragraph is telling, and more in synch with what I've been reading.
"But here’s the crunch: taking into account the repeatability of performance, the overall agility and the endorphin rush, it’s the BMW I’d take for one last lap of Thunderhill."
... and the next sentence is
Out on the road it’s a different story. Where the BMW’s comfort and refinement is conceded quite a bit to unlock its track potential, the Tesla is utterly uncompromised, besides having to find a Supercharger every 250 miles or so.
And ... ?
@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
@nzzp said in Electric Vehicles:
@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
Tesla Model 3 has dropped here and in NZ.
Drive away price somewhere just under a BMW 3 Series for the standard model. 0-100 in 5.6s is handy.
Fully loaded, the performance model is still cheaper than an M3. And 0-100 in 3.4s will take some beating.
I've often wondered how many performance car drivers will choose a Tesla over the more traditional vehicles. There is so much more to performance cars than 0-100 times and power. Don't get me wrong, it's a huge part of it, but a perfectly balanced car will beat a poorly distributed car 10/10 for driving fun. I've not a driven a Tesla in about 2.5 years now, but Model S P85D and the roadster were both phenomenal for accelaration, but that was literally it for driving experiences. The weight of the batteries killed any handling / feel.
Top Gear compared the Model 3 Performance to a similarly priced Beamer and it came out ahead. EDIT: did a quarter mile, 0-100-0, drift, and race circuit.
Apparently the quality and driveability in the Model 3 Performance is making some Model S drivers jump ship.
Found the article Nick, it's interesting stuff:
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/calling-elons-bluff-tesla-model-3-vs-bmw-m3#11
So overall it's 3-1 to the Tesla. However for me, the final paragraph is telling, and more in synch with what I've been reading.
"But here’s the crunch: taking into account the repeatability of performance, the overall agility and the endorphin rush, it’s the BMW I’d take for one last lap of Thunderhill."
... and the next sentence is
Out on the road it’s a different story. Where the BMW’s comfort and refinement is conceded quite a bit to unlock its track potential, the Tesla is utterly uncompromised, besides having to find a Supercharger every 250 miles or so.
And ... ?
the piece you quoted indicated they concluded the M3 was preferred. It was - for track work, just - but the next sentence pointed out that the Model 3 didn't compromise for day to day.
The article was an interesting read. Electric are fun to drive, but totally different to petrol.
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@nzzp for the performance piece, they did.
My point was that I’m not sure how many performance drivers are switching to electric based on numbers as it’s so much more than that.
To acknowledge your point tho I must say it does surprise me. Modern m cars with the adaptive suspension are beautiful on the road.
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@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
@nzzp yeah wrote that above. Two Tesla’s. Last one 2 years ago tho. I will drive a model 3 at some point with s view to replace our “town” car in the future
By then you'll have a range of options at different price points.
Going to be very interesting in Australia the next 12 months as other brands land their offerings. But in Europe the choices are going to be quite a bit more varied.
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@SammyC said in Electric Vehicles:
meh, the BMW m3 stopped existing for me once they stopped producing the naturally aspirated v8.
I originally thought the same when MB went from the M156 to the M177. I've changed my mind.
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@SammyC said in Electric Vehicles:
meh, the BMW m3 stopped existing for me once they stopped producing the naturally aspirated v8.
So you only like one series of M3 then ... it's always been a 6cyl with the exception of the e90
@antipodean said in Electric Vehicles:
@SammyC said in Electric Vehicles:
meh, the BMW m3 stopped existing for me once they stopped producing the naturally aspirated v8.
I originally thought the same when MB went from the M156 to the M177. I've changed my mind.
Not a MB fan, but the noise that 6.2 V8 makes is arguably the best sound in motoring.
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@MajorRage said in Electric Vehicles:
@SammyC said in Electric Vehicles:
meh, the BMW m3 stopped existing for me once they stopped producing the naturally aspirated v8.
So you only like one series of M3 then ... it's always been a 6cyl with the exception of the e90
@antipodean said in Electric Vehicles:
@SammyC said in Electric Vehicles:
meh, the BMW m3 stopped existing for me once they stopped producing the naturally aspirated v8.
I originally thought the same when MB went from the M156 to the M177. I've changed my mind.
Not a MB fan, but the noise that 6.2 V8 makes is arguably the best sound in motoring.
Yeah it’s the only m3 I’d buy.
So I guess I’d better hurry up before they become unaffordable.
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The hardest part for Tesla and fleet is having adequate servicing and parts availability. I know there were some teething issues with BMW as regional areas didn't have access to a local service agent. Also with front line Police vehicles they often operate 24 hours a day so they would need some way of ensuring the vehicles are charged. Probably not a major issue as the trucks often sit at the station before and after shifts but they would have to risk assess a code red job occurring and the vehicle having insufficient charge to attend.
But with any technology as batteries improve the distance achieved per charge will only improve and I assume the Police would ask for a vehicle that has a lot more capacity perhaps.
Fleet for Govt must be an incredible cost and I wonder just how much they spend on fuel, servicing and replacement annually.
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@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@chimoaus police is a very different operation, compared to other services. Never thought about it like that.
Nearby superchargers will help
Depends how many hours a day a police car is usually at base / on the road. If there is sufficient time at base and they install all the right charging apparatus it will be fine.
Public reaction to seeing government cars taking up valuable super Charger spots could be interesting tho.