Censorship and the Mosque Shooting



  • @rotated said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    @Duluth said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    I think it's a fundamental problem with the culture when people don't stand up for liberal principles.
    Instead too many seem to care about what 'side' someone is on before applying principles..

    That is not a bad idea - someone should write a book with some principals like these to consider living your life by. You wouldn't need many, ten or so should do the trick.

    Could be a best seller.

    That made me laugh a lot more than it should have



  • @rotated said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    @Duluth said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    I think it's a fundamental problem with the culture when people don't stand up for liberal principles.
    Instead too many seem to care about what 'side' someone is on before applying principles..

    That is not a bad idea - someone should write a book with some principals like these to consider living your life by. You wouldn't need many, ten or so should do the trick.

    Could be a best seller.

    Sounds a bit boring?

    Won’t most of them be common sense anyway?



  • @gt12 possibly with some biblical undertones I reckon.



  • Jeez it makes me laugh all you guys saying it is boring and obvious. You lot must really have your life together and everyone you know must have their life together, all the suicide rates among young men, the drop out rates and depression rates among young men must not exist in your circles.
    All the lives that have been changed for the better dont matter?
    According to you lot people shouldnt try to give some guidance to those who might need it or enjoy it because it is common sense guidance? FFS.

    Pompous jackasses. You just care about throwing shade. Get over yourselves.



  • @SammyC said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    I understand the issue you guys have, I just don’t think the division is as great as you are making out. There’s extreme ideas on both sides but I think the majority of society is pretty ambivalent to this kind of stuff.

    There are extremes on both end. But one extreme is getting the results and getting their way. Neither extremes should.



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback whoosh much?



  • @Paekakboyz said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback whoosh much?

    No. Unless you think I amn referring to the post from @roatated which I thought was funny and liked?>
    In which whoosh right back at ya...



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback no.

    Multiple tongue in cheek comments re JP's work, although @rotated's was the best, and first.

    You were the one coming in hot and throwing your own shade. So how about you get over yourself?



  • @Paekakboyz said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback no.

    Multiple tongue in cheek comments re JP's work, although @rotated's was the best, and first.

    You were the one coming in hot and throwing your own shade. So how about you get over yourself?

    So you did think that Rotated posts was one of the ones I was referring to? You are wrong.
    You should be more careful before assuming others dont know what they are reacting to.



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback I can't work out if you're trolling or if you have a genuine problem with people holding opinions different to your own?



  • @Toddy said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback I can't work out if you're trolling or if you have a genuine problem with people holding opinions different to your own?

    He can be a bit blunt, but he has a point. Those saying it doesn't matter, and is a boring book, aren't taking into account the thousands of people that the book has helped.

    Some of those are from the far right side of identity politics, and have left that behind them and responded to his calls for personal responsibility. Isn't that what we want? An antidote to the type of thinking that leads to violence?



  • @Toddy said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback I can't work out if you're trolling or if you have a genuine problem with people holding opinions different to your own?

    I have a genuine problem with lame brained and facile criticism of a book like that. If people want to debate the actual points he makes in the book, so be it. But just calling it boring and obvious, isn't doing anything except throwing shade based on political bent.
    I have seen the good it has done, and I think it is a massive net positive for society when young men take responsibility for their lives. Sure to some people it may be obvious, but if you know many young people nowdays.. not many take personal responsibility and even worse very few are shown guidance in how to do it.
    So yeah @Toddy I do have a problem with it actually, I didnt get much out of the book, because I am lucky enough to have had parents who encouraged me to get my shit together at a young age, and I haven't been hit by a mental illness. Peterson's book is inherently positive about self control and self responsibility. Speaks volumes that you think I am the one trolling when I think those throwing shade are the ones either trolling or are intellectually weak on the topic



  • But a book being boring is a personal opinion of that book. Should we discard/change that opinion to suit others?

    For the record I found the book boring and stopped after the first chapter. I will revisit it again some time this year.



  • @Toddy said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    But a book being boring is a personal opinion of that book. Should we discard/change that opinion to suit others?

    For the record I found the book boring and stopped after the first chapter. I will revisit it again some time this year.

    No, but we shouldn't use it as a justification/excude to ban the book either.



  • @Kirwan who has said that? I may have missed that.



  • @Toddy said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    But a book being boring is a personal opinion of that book. Should we discard/change that opinion to suit others?

    For the record I found the book boring and stopped after the first chapter. I will revisit it again some time this year.

    You can have that opinion, and I can think it is facile reason to criticize it. But I am not aware you did that?



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    Jeez it makes me laugh all you guys saying it is boring and obvious. You lot must really have your life together and everyone you know must have their life together, all the suicide rates among young men, the drop out rates and depression rates among young men must not exist in your circles.
    All the lives that have been changed for the better dont matter?
    According to you lot people shouldnt try to give some guidance to those who might need it or enjoy it because it is common sense guidance? FFS.

    Pompous jackasses. You just care about throwing shade. Get over yourselves.

    I was enjoying the balanced discussion before you jumped in all aggressive. Rembrandt and Duluth both made good points and got likes from me without resorting to insulting those with a different opinion.

    Only one pompous jackass in here



  • @Toddy said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    @Kirwan who has said that? I may have missed that.

    SammyC was saying it's not a big issue, some of his reasons were fine (who buys books from Whitcoulls anymore anyway) some leaned more towards the book wasn't important anyway.

    The principle is the important thing not the content of the book, and banning a book (and taking adavatage of a tragedy like this to justify it) is just repugnant IMO.



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    @Toddy said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    But a book being boring is a personal opinion of that book. Should we discard/change that opinion to suit others?

    For the record I found the book boring and stopped after the first chapter. I will revisit it again some time this year.

    You can have that opinion, and I can think it is facile reason to criticize it. But I am not aware you did that?

    I mentioned I found the book boring further up the thread. You 'liked' the post too.



  • @SammyC said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    Jeez it makes me laugh all you guys saying it is boring and obvious. You lot must really have your life together and everyone you know must have their life together, all the suicide rates among young men, the drop out rates and depression rates among young men must not exist in your circles.
    All the lives that have been changed for the better dont matter?
    According to you lot people shouldnt try to give some guidance to those who might need it or enjoy it because it is common sense guidance? FFS.

    Pompous jackasses. You just care about throwing shade. Get over yourselves.

    I was enjoying the balanced discussion before you jumped in all aggressive. Rembrandt and Duluth both made good points without resorting to insulting those with a different opinion.

    Only one pompous jackass in here

    Oh no you 'have offended' me.


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