Censorship and the Mosque Shooting



  • @Toddy said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback I can't work out if you're trolling or if you have a genuine problem with people holding opinions different to your own?

    He can be a bit blunt, but he has a point. Those saying it doesn't matter, and is a boring book, aren't taking into account the thousands of people that the book has helped.

    Some of those are from the far right side of identity politics, and have left that behind them and responded to his calls for personal responsibility. Isn't that what we want? An antidote to the type of thinking that leads to violence?



  • @Toddy said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback I can't work out if you're trolling or if you have a genuine problem with people holding opinions different to your own?

    I have a genuine problem with lame brained and facile criticism of a book like that. If people want to debate the actual points he makes in the book, so be it. But just calling it boring and obvious, isn't doing anything except throwing shade based on political bent.
    I have seen the good it has done, and I think it is a massive net positive for society when young men take responsibility for their lives. Sure to some people it may be obvious, but if you know many young people nowdays.. not many take personal responsibility and even worse very few are shown guidance in how to do it.
    So yeah @Toddy I do have a problem with it actually, I didnt get much out of the book, because I am lucky enough to have had parents who encouraged me to get my shit together at a young age, and I haven't been hit by a mental illness. Peterson's book is inherently positive about self control and self responsibility. Speaks volumes that you think I am the one trolling when I think those throwing shade are the ones either trolling or are intellectually weak on the topic



  • But a book being boring is a personal opinion of that book. Should we discard/change that opinion to suit others?

    For the record I found the book boring and stopped after the first chapter. I will revisit it again some time this year.



  • @Toddy said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    But a book being boring is a personal opinion of that book. Should we discard/change that opinion to suit others?

    For the record I found the book boring and stopped after the first chapter. I will revisit it again some time this year.

    No, but we shouldn't use it as a justification/excude to ban the book either.



  • @Kirwan who has said that? I may have missed that.



  • @Toddy said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    But a book being boring is a personal opinion of that book. Should we discard/change that opinion to suit others?

    For the record I found the book boring and stopped after the first chapter. I will revisit it again some time this year.

    You can have that opinion, and I can think it is facile reason to criticize it. But I am not aware you did that?



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    Jeez it makes me laugh all you guys saying it is boring and obvious. You lot must really have your life together and everyone you know must have their life together, all the suicide rates among young men, the drop out rates and depression rates among young men must not exist in your circles.
    All the lives that have been changed for the better dont matter?
    According to you lot people shouldnt try to give some guidance to those who might need it or enjoy it because it is common sense guidance? FFS.

    Pompous jackasses. You just care about throwing shade. Get over yourselves.

    I was enjoying the balanced discussion before you jumped in all aggressive. Rembrandt and Duluth both made good points and got likes from me without resorting to insulting those with a different opinion.

    Only one pompous jackass in here



  • @Toddy said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    @Kirwan who has said that? I may have missed that.

    SammyC was saying it's not a big issue, some of his reasons were fine (who buys books from Whitcoulls anymore anyway) some leaned more towards the book wasn't important anyway.

    The principle is the important thing not the content of the book, and banning a book (and taking adavatage of a tragedy like this to justify it) is just repugnant IMO.



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    @Toddy said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    But a book being boring is a personal opinion of that book. Should we discard/change that opinion to suit others?

    For the record I found the book boring and stopped after the first chapter. I will revisit it again some time this year.

    You can have that opinion, and I can think it is facile reason to criticize it. But I am not aware you did that?

    I mentioned I found the book boring further up the thread. You 'liked' the post too.



  • @SammyC said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    Jeez it makes me laugh all you guys saying it is boring and obvious. You lot must really have your life together and everyone you know must have their life together, all the suicide rates among young men, the drop out rates and depression rates among young men must not exist in your circles.
    All the lives that have been changed for the better dont matter?
    According to you lot people shouldnt try to give some guidance to those who might need it or enjoy it because it is common sense guidance? FFS.

    Pompous jackasses. You just care about throwing shade. Get over yourselves.

    I was enjoying the balanced discussion before you jumped in all aggressive. Rembrandt and Duluth both made good points without resorting to insulting those with a different opinion.

    Only one pompous jackass in here

    Oh no you 'have offended' me.



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    @SammyC said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    Jeez it makes me laugh all you guys saying it is boring and obvious. You lot must really have your life together and everyone you know must have their life together, all the suicide rates among young men, the drop out rates and depression rates among young men must not exist in your circles.
    All the lives that have been changed for the better dont matter?
    According to you lot people shouldnt try to give some guidance to those who might need it or enjoy it because it is common sense guidance? FFS.

    Pompous jackasses. You just care about throwing shade. Get over yourselves.

    I was enjoying the balanced discussion before you jumped in all aggressive. Rembrandt and Duluth both made good points without resorting to insulting those with a different opinion.

    Only one pompous jackass in here

    Oh no you 'have offended' me.

    God you’re painful.... participate in the discussion without name calling and reprimanding people



  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback did you get confused by the no?

    @rotated's opener was the start of that line of banter. I got that you thought that one was amusing. So how about you take on board your own advice re assumptions?



  • @Kirwan said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    @Toddy said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    @Kirwan who has said that? I may have missed that.

    SammyC was saying it's not a big issue, some of his reasons were fine (who buys books from Whitcoulls anymore anyway) some leaned more towards the book wasn't important anyway.

    The principle is the important thing not the content of the book, and banning a book (and taking adavatage of a tragedy like this to justify it) is just repugnant IMO.

    The book isn't banned is it. Whitcoulls made a commercial decision not to sell it. I am sure you can buy it elsewhere, and are free to choose not to shop at Whitcoulls based on their decision



  • @canefan said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    @Kirwan said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    @Toddy said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    @Kirwan who has said that? I may have missed that.

    SammyC was saying it's not a big issue, some of his reasons were fine (who buys books from Whitcoulls anymore anyway) some leaned more towards the book wasn't important anyway.

    The principle is the important thing not the content of the book, and banning a book (and taking adavatage of a tragedy like this to justify it) is just repugnant IMO.

    The book isn't banned is it. Whitcoulls made a commercial decision not to sell it. I am sure you can buy it elsewhere, and are free to choose not to shop at Whitcoulls based on their decision

    Yep, both actions I'll be taking. I don't support companies that virtue signal on the back of a tragedy , and I do support people that actually are trying to help people.



  • @Toddy said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    It's some amazing advertising for the book.

    I tried reading a borrowed copy of the book about six months ago and put it down after the first chapter. It bored me to tears. However, I just purchased a copy from Unity books to put back on the bedside table. Thought $40 was a bit steep but it's worth it.

    Kinda different tone dont ya think?



  • Lets make sure we get back to arguing the point, and not directly things at the posters please.



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  • @Baron-Silas-Greenback message is the same. The book is fucking boring. Doesn't mean I won't revisit it or that others find it life changing. Good for them.



  • @Toddy said in Censorship and the Mosque Shooting:

    But a book being boring is a personal opinion of that book. Should we discard/change that opinion to suit others?

    For the record I found the book boring and stopped after the first chapter. I will revisit it again some time this year.

    I found the book boring because I realized I am so awesome that I didn't have to listen to any of it.



  • I personally gained a huge amount from the book but even so I did struggle at times reading it (I worry that modern tech might have messed with my attention span on serious books). I have a few mates who bought it but also bought the audio book and found that worked much better for them. Heard a nice anecdote the other day of a bloke who is a massive JP fan tries to get his deadbeat drug addict mate into it but there was no way getting him to read it or sit through a 3 hour podcast, instead got him Akira The Don's JPBwave albums which mixes JP's message with lofi hiphop (perfect background music for room cleaning!). Apparently this did the trick, from the music he got into the podcasts and the lecture series and apparently turned his life around.


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