Chiefs vs Blues



  • Alright, its time to claim underdog status..

    It's undeniable that there's been improvements under MacDonald but the team still has plenty of weaknesses. The next monkey to get off the back is a win away from home against a NZ side

    The last win away from home against a NZ side? Way back in Kirwan's first year as coach (2013) the Blues beat the Hurricanes 34-20 in Wellington

    The last time we beat the Chiefs away from Eden Park? 2011 - a narrow 16-13 win in shitty weather

    That game was part of the 7 games in a row that Pat Lam's side won. That streak included four wins against NZ sides, 3 of which were away from home.

    History is definitely against the Blues. If we do somehow win, there's a strong case that MacDonalds Blues side is the best since Lam's 2011 team



  • HAHA no way the Blues are underdogs in this game. Ancient history is exactly that - I think you could claim a 'too close to chose' with the Chief's improvement, but I think the Blues are the better side this season.



  • You can't be underdogs as we haven't won at home all season!!

    I bet secretly you are already licking your lips at the thought of $100 Double Shot of Whisky! 🙂



  • When in doubt, consult the TAB...

    Chiefs $1.57
    Blues $2.35



  • @Chris-B

    Time for me to place my bets then. Way off.



  • @Chris-B said in Chiefs vs Blues:

    When in doubt, consult the TAB...

    Chiefs $1.57
    Blues $2.35

    I am genuinely surprised at that!! I could understand even odds



  • we're a buck 57 favourites? haha holy shit that's absurd.

    This is the Blues to lose. A squad so good the have 4 ABs on the bench.



  • Yeah nah - Chiefs are favoured.

    Chiefs are coming off a bye - Blues have no SBW, no Gibson, probably no Rieko.

    Blues haven't won an away derby in forever and haven't beaten Chiefs since 2011.



  • @KiwiMurph said in Chiefs vs Blues:

    Yeah nah - Chiefs are favoured.

    Chiefs are coming off a bye - Blues have no SBW, no Gibson, probably no Rieko.

    Blues haven't won an away derby in forever and haven't beaten Chiefs since 2011.

    Neither had the Sunwolves.....



  • Look at the competition table. Blues are favourites.



  • Chiefs are easily favourites. Home advantage still matters, no matter where you are on the table, and the Blues haven’t beaten a NZ team away in a million years.

    Good compliment that people are arguing, but if we win it’ll be an upset.



  • @Kirwan said in Chiefs vs Blues:

    Chiefs are easily favourites. Home advantage still matters, no matter where you are on the table, and the Blues haven’t beaten a NZ team away in a million years.

    Good compliment that people are arguing, but if we win it’ll be an upset.

    Blues have beaten all the teams this season that the Chiefs have lost to (where the Blues and Chiefs have both played same oppo)



  • Kids, please, you're both just awful.



  • @Hooroo said in Chiefs vs Blues:

    @Kirwan said in Chiefs vs Blues:

    Chiefs are easily favourites. Home advantage still matters, no matter where you are on the table, and the Blues haven’t beaten a NZ team away in a million years.

    Good compliment that people are arguing, but if we win it’ll be an upset.

    Blues have beaten all the teams this season that the Chiefs have lost to (where the Blues and Chiefs have both played same oppo)

    That's not true. Chiefs beat Jags and Blues lost to Jags. Chiefs the last few weeks look a different team - 2 wins and a draw from their last 3 games.



  • @KiwiMurph said in Chiefs vs Blues:

    @Hooroo said in Chiefs vs Blues:

    @Kirwan said in Chiefs vs Blues:

    Chiefs are easily favourites. Home advantage still matters, no matter where you are on the table, and the Blues haven’t beaten a NZ team away in a million years.

    Good compliment that people are arguing, but if we win it’ll be an upset.

    Blues have beaten all the teams this season that the Chiefs have lost to (where the Blues and Chiefs have both played same oppo)

    That's not true. Chiefs beat Jags and Blues lost to Jags. Chiefs the last few weeks look a different team - 2 wins and a draw from their last 3 games.

    Good point! Forgot about Jags. Sunwolves and Highlanders



  • Those TAB odds are strange but I suppose home advantage is a thing. Will be a good encounter, as a Chiefs fan I'm definitely worried but we'll see. Excited for Saturday.



  • Go home TAB, you’re drunk.



  • Papalii to start. Jed Brown moves onto the bench. Duffie takes Collins bench spot.



  • @Nogusta Is Matich still with the team?



  • No Collins? Advantage Blues



  • @Tim said in Chiefs vs Blues:

    Matich still with the team?

    expect he would be called back? Think he played for the Western Sharks over the last weekend of March (looked like him scoring a try in a clip I saw) unsure on last weekend.



  • @Nogusta said in Chiefs vs Blues:

    Papalii to start. Jed Brown moves onto the bench. Duffie takes Collins bench spot.

    Pleased for Duffie, he's been out for ages now.



  • Dont know why they bother playing these derbies , chiefs always win ,

    Blues massive underdogs , they may not even show up .



  • Chiefs v Blues @ FMG Stadium, Hamilton
    Referee Angus Gardner
    AR1 Damon Murphy
    AR2 Ben O'Keeffe
    TMO Glenn Newman



  • I forgot we had Jed Brown in our team, probably because I haven't seen his name mentioned since pre-season.



  • 15 Melani Nanai, 14 Caleb Clarke, 13 TJ Faiane, 12 Ma’a Nonu, 11 Rieko Ioane, 10 Otere Black, 9 Jonathan Ruru; 8 Akira Ioane, 7 Dalton Papalii, 6 Tom Robinson, 5 Gerard Cowley-Tuioti, 4 Patrick Tuipulotu (c), 3 Ofa Tuungafasi, 2 James Parsons, 1. Karl Tu’inukuafe
    Reserves: 16 Matt Moulds, 17 Alex Hodgman, 18 Sione Mafileo i, 19 Josh Goodhue, 20 Jed Brown, 21 Sam Nock, 22 Harry Plummer, 23 Matt Duffie

    Not considered because of injury: Jimmy Tupou (knee), Jacob Pierce (ankle), Blake Gibson (knee), Sonny Bill Williams (knee), Stephen Perofeta (shoulder/pectoral), Jordan Trainor (thigh), Tanielu Tele’a (suspended)


    https://theblues.co.nz/all-blacks-return-to-take-on-chiefs/

    All Black props Karl Tu’inukuafe and Ofa Tuungafasi return to the starting line-up for Saturday’s clash against Investec Super Rugby neighbours, the Chiefs in Hamilton on Saturday.
    
    It will be just their second start together this season, after the pair has performed strongly off the bench.
    
    This allows Alex Hodgman and Sione Mafileo, who have started in five and six games respectively this season, to have different roles and bring impact off the bench.
    
    The other changes in the pack will see North Harbour’s hard-working Gerard Cowley-Tuioti return to the starting line-up for the fifth time this season, and All Black Dalton Papalii start after four games off the bench, replacing co-captain Blake Gibson, who suffered a laceration of his knee last weekend.
    
    The remainder of the team is the same as that which prevailed over the Waratahs at Eden Park last week.
    
    “We are fortunate to have a group of strong and in-form props,” said coach Leon MacDonald. “Alex and Sione had the advantage of a full pre-season to earn the start and have not put a foot wrong.
    
    “But Karl and Ofa have been working exceptionally hard and given us real energy off the bench. They now have their chance to start and we will look to get that same level of input from our energisers when they come on.
    
    “We are continuing to improve which is encouraging but we are under no illusions. We have not beaten the Chiefs in the last 14 games between us, so we come in as underdogs and will need to make a considerable step up.”
    
    North Harbour captain James Parsons will join a formidable front row in his 99th game for the Blues and his 97th in Super Rugby and impressive 23-year-old No 8 Akira Ioane starts for the 26th straight occasion.
    
    The backline is unchanged with Rieko Ioane hoping to build on his 16 clean breaks this season, the most in the competition, and his seven tries, which is equal second most in Super Rugby.
    
    Not considered for selection is All Black Sonny Bill Williams, who will undergo minor arthroscopy surgery on his injured knee on Friday and is expected to return to play in around six weeks.
    
    The injury to Gibson means that Tasman loose forward Jed Brown may make his debut for the Blues after earning five caps for the Crusaders, while All Black matt Duffie is set to make a return off the bench after recovering from serious hamstring surgery during the Mitre-10 Cup.
    


  • Pulu is the third ranked halfback now?



  • @Tim Nock deserves another crack after his bench cameo last week. Whether he can keep it going is another matter.



  • Our front row is going to get destroyed!

    Step up backs! This is the game you lot need to win for us



  • @Hooroo said in Chiefs vs Blues:

    Our front row is going to get destroyed!

    Isn't your front-row one of the best this season?



  • @Tim said in Chiefs vs Blues:

    @Hooroo said in Chiefs vs Blues:

    Our front row is going to get destroyed!

    Isn't your front-row one of the best this season?

    I just know Ofa and Karl are going to be awesome. Karl seems to destroy all front rows



  • Chiefs: Damian McKenzie, Sean Wainui, Tumua Manu, Anton Lienert-Brown, Solomon Alaimalo, Marty McKenzie, Brad Weber, Taleni Seu, Lachlan Boshier, Luke Jacobson, Tyler Ardron, Brodie Retallick (c), Nepo Laulala, Nathan Harris, Angus Ta'avao.

    Reserves: Samisoni Taukei'aho, Ryan Coxon, Sefo Kautai, Jesse Parete, Pita Gus Sowakula, Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi, Alex Nankivell, Ataata Moeakiola.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/111962109/chiefs-welcome-back-brodie-retallick-for-super-rugby-derby-with-blues-in-hamilton



  • How many games in a row for Reiko?



  • @Machpants Three since the bye. If he plays until the next one it will be five.



  • OK I thought he was on a looooong streak!



  • No real impact from the Blues bench this week. Will be interesting to see how they close out the game.



  • @Toddy said in Chiefs vs Blues:

    No real impact from the Blues bench this week. Will be interesting to see how they close out the game.

    What are you smoking? Hodgman and Mafileo have put on strong performances over the lat few weeks. Goodhue is a good lineout jumper, Nock had a great cameo last week and Duffie is an A.B. No "real impact" I have no idea what you been watching.



  • Looking at those team lists - the TAB is still giving away far too much money to Blues backers.



  • @Donsteppa Yeah - on paper one of those teams looks stronger than the other and it's not the favourites.

    I think I'll leave this game well alone.



  • An in form Brodie will make a difference, and the Chiefs have a stronger loose trio than in their early games. Will probably come down to the battle of the halves, with home advantage being a big factor.


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