Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth



  • Should read Jackson Garden-Bachop.



  • I don't like any of those options. If we lose BB and Richie M we are poked. I would expect the cartel to shoehorn someone in who is in the current squad. Or will DC be over his neck injury by October?



  • Jordie Barrett



  • DC, Hayden Parker, Colin Slade, Tom Taylor, Lima Sopoaga, Ihaia West and Jimmy Gopperth aren't currently under NZRU contracts so are therefore are ineligible. They aren't going to remove that rule for a third-choice First Five.

    I assume Jordie B, Ryan Crotty and TJP are already in the squad, but could at a push play there against Canada or Namibia. So the poll is about a specialist three-choice First Five Eight.

    My vote went for Mitchell Hunt. Part of the winning Crusaders set up. 35 Super Caps. Kicks goals and can drop goals. Knows how to close a game out. World Rugby Junior Champion. Can cover fullback. Organised and composed, cool in pressure situations.



  • I nominate myself.
    Frank.



  • @MiketheSnow said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    Jordie Barrett

    Charge-downs galore with the giraffe wind-up.



  • Definitive answer is Otere Black because Mrs Boo.

    Just mentioned to Mrs Boo some bloke ( @sparky ) set up this poll. And before I had a chance to read out the list she said "Otere Black". Good enough for me.

    I'm just impressed she knows enough Super Rugby that Otere Black exists ... 🙂



  • Marty Banks is a lot more likely than some of the people in this poll.



  • Looking at that list of players if we need another First Five we are in big shit



  • Here’s my backline of 1st 5s

    10 - Dan Carter
    11 - Colin Slade
    12 - Tom Taylor
    13 - Tyler Bleyendaal
    14 - Richie Mo’unga
    15 - Mitch Hunt



  • DC.



  • @ACT-Crusader said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    Here’s my backline of 1st 5s

    10 - Dan Carter
    11 - Colin Slade
    12 - Tom Taylor
    13 - Tyler Bleyendaal
    14 - Richie Mo’unga
    15 - Mitch Hunt

    Greg Coffey
    Andrew Mehrtens
    Wayne Smith



  • @Frank said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    @MiketheSnow said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    Jordie Barrett

    Charge-downs galore with the giraffe wind-up.

    Or not.

    Can play the take forward game his brother plays and if under pressure ship to Crotty to kick or Crotty and Goodhue to truck.

    Also bring the blindside winger on a run / dummy run and that will keep the opposition backrow and 10 honest.

    Already has proven Test experience.

    No brainer really.



  • @Chris-B said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    Marty Banks is a lot more likely than some of the people in this poll.

    Damn, missed one out. Sorry! Is a moderator able to add Marty Banks?



  • I think I'd rather try Ben Smith there.



  • @Crucial

    I rather keep Ben Smith at fullback. He is outstanding in that position.



  • @sparky said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    @Crucial

    I rather keep Ben Smith at fullback. He is outstanding in that position.

    He could be outstanding in another position in that case.

    Unlike the pimply giraffe who has yet to be outstanding.



  • @MiketheSnow said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    @Frank said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    @MiketheSnow said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    Jordie Barrett

    Charge-downs galore with the giraffe wind-up.

    Or not.

    Can play the take forward game his brother plays and if under pressure ship to Crotty to kick or Crotty and Goodhue to truck.

    Also bring the blindside winger on a run / dummy run and that will keep the opposition backrow and 10 honest.

    Already has proven Test experience.

    No brainer really.

    First fives need to be able to get a quick kick away when backed on their goal line, while the opposition fly at them. That's really non-negotiable.

    As much as I think Crotty is an option, he left the Crusaders in the lurch recently with his inability to do that. And he's faster than Jordie with the boot.



  • I cant even bring myself to choose one of those options...



  • @booboo said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    Definitive answer is Otere Black because Mrs Boo.

    Just mentioned to Mrs Boo some bloke ( @sparky ) set up this poll. And before I had a chance to read out the list she said "Otere Black". Good enough for me.

    I'm just impressed she knows enough Super Rugby that Otere Black exists ... 🙂

    She's a better bloke than me



  • Are some of the options above really any worse than Dmac? He was absolute crap at 1st five for the Chiefs this year.

    I get he'd had international game time there but watching him this year, as funny as it was, sends shivers down ya spine.



  • @Toddy said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    Are some of the options above really any worse than Dmac? He was absolute crap at 1st five for the Chiefs this year.

    I get he'd had international game time there but watching him this year, as funny as it was, sends shivers down ya spine.

    He's never seemed to go well at 10 for the Chiefs, but he did play well there for the ABs - French 3rd test (yeah it was only the French) he was superb and I think he's had a couple of other decent performances. Agree though in a big test him or any of the others would fill me with dread.



  • @MiketheSnow said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    @Frank said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    @MiketheSnow said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    Jordie Barrett

    Charge-downs galore with the giraffe wind-up.

    Or not.

    Can play the take forward game his brother plays and if under pressure ship to Crotty to kick or Crotty and Goodhue to truck.

    Also bring the blindside winger on a run / dummy run and that will keep the opposition backrow and 10 honest.

    Already has proven Test experience.

    No brainer really.

    So transparent.



  • Jordie is the my choice. You can joke about the charge downs but at the end of the day he has the quality and skills to fit in and do a decent job rather than hinder the players around him. He made a decent fist of his chances in black so far. And that us about all you can ask for if you get to the third stringer



  • @canefan said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    Jordie is the my choice. You can joke about the charge downs but at the end of the day he has the quality and skills to fit in and do a decent job rather than hinder the players around him. He made a decent fist of his chances in black so far. And that us about all you can ask for if you get to the third stringer

    Pffft haha god I hope you are not serious



  • @mariner4life

    Given that we’ve never had any trouble playing people out of position, what could be the problem?



  • @gt12 said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    @mariner4life

    Given that we’ve never had any trouble playing people out of position, what could be the problem?

    We haven't?



  • @canefan said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    Jordie is the my choice. You can joke about the charge downs but at the end of the day he has the quality and skills to fit in and do a decent job rather than hinder the players around him. He made a decent fist of his chances in black so far. And that us about all you can ask for if you get to the third stringer

    I don't think the charge downs would be a joke - they'd be the number one thing I would target.

    There's a reason most first fives are nippy little guys whose feet are close to their hands - because those extra hundredths of seconds it takes someone with long levers like Jordie - who is 20cm taller than people like DC and Mo'unga - to catch, drop and kick the ball are critical. And it's in the bio-mechanics of everything they do - they've got more power, but they take more time.



  • You guys are going to be kissing the boots of us Canes supporters when Jordie is awarded MOTM in the WC final.



  • @mariner4life said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    @canefan said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    Jordie is the my choice. You can joke about the charge downs but at the end of the day he has the quality and skills to fit in and do a decent job rather than hinder the players around him. He made a decent fist of his chances in black so far. And that us about all you can ask for if you get to the third stringer

    Pffft haha god I hope you are not serious

    Make no mistake. The other contenders are not close to being ready. Nor will they be because when are they going to get game time in black before Japan? We are in deep trouble if we have to go to the third choice 10 (Who wouldn't?). JB is the least worst option which isn't saying much.



  • I can't believe people are seriously suggesting that in an emergency at the RWC, playing Jordie Barrett at first five would be a better option than a specialist alternative such as Marty McKenzie, Perofeta, Hunt or Black. Have we learned nothing from 1999 and 2003?



  • @Cantab79 said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    I can't believe people are seriously suggesting that in an emergency at the RWC, playing Jordie Barrett at first five would be a better option than a specialist alternative such as Marty McKenzie, Perofeta, Hunt or Black. Have we learned nothing from 1999 and 2003?

    Yes, we learned that in 2011 it's ok to put Centres on the Wing, out of position



  • @Hooroo said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    @Cantab79 said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    I can't believe people are seriously suggesting that in an emergency at the RWC, playing Jordie Barrett at first five would be a better option than a specialist alternative such as Marty McKenzie, Perofeta, Hunt or Black. Have we learned nothing from 1999 and 2003?

    Yes, we learned that in 2011 it's ok to put Centres on the Wing, out of position

    And a 9 at 10 which worked well until he got injured.



  • @Crucial said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    I think I'd rather try Ben Smith there.

    Ben from Accounts will humbly apply himself and become bloody good at first-five (in a humble way) and then gee shucks win the World Cup as he accepts the World Player of the Year at first five (and also the world's most humble player.)



  • Shame Izzy Dagg just recently retired.



  • @Chris-B said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    @canefan said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    Jordie is the my choice. You can joke about the charge downs but at the end of the day he has the quality and skills to fit in and do a decent job rather than hinder the players around him. He made a decent fist of his chances in black so far. And that us about all you can ask for if you get to the third stringer

    I don't think the charge downs would be a joke - they'd be the number one thing I would target.

    There's a reason most first fives are nippy little guys whose feet are close to their hands - because those extra hundredths of seconds it takes someone with long levers like Jordie - who is 20cm taller than people like DC and Mo'unga - to catch, drop and kick the ball are critical. And it's in the bio-mechanics of everything they do - they've got more power, but they take more time.

    Henry Honiball, Stephen Larkham, Jonathan Sexton, Steven Donald and Jordies shorter but still quite tall brother Beauden are reading this and getting pissed off at it's inaccuracy.



  • @Frank said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    @Crucial said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    I think I'd rather try Ben Smith there.

    Ben from Accounts will humbly apply himself and become bloody good at first-five (in a humble way) and then gee shucks win the World Cup as he accepts the World Player of the Year at first five (and also the world's most humble player.)

    Take our first choice 15 out of his position and into one he has never played at test level (has he ever played it at super level)? That is some Hart-Cullen level strategy right there



  • @canefan said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    @Frank said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    @Crucial said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    I think I'd rather try Ben Smith there.

    Ben from Accounts will humbly apply himself and become bloody good at first-five (in a humble way) and then gee shucks win the World Cup as he accepts the World Player of the Year at first five (and also the world's most humble player.)

    Take our first choice 15 out of his position and into one he has never played at test level (has he ever played it at super level)? That is some Hart-Cullen level strategy right there

    Silly old Hart. Even pissed up MN5 knew the best backline he coulda shoehorned in was 11 Jonah 12 Ieremia 13 Umaga 14 Wilson 14 Cullen.......



  • Anyone suggesting we should a player out of position (unless in an actual emergency situation) in arguably the most pivotal position of first five must be high as a kite.

    And using the experienced card, pull the other one. I’d say experience playing 10 in super rugby overrides any perceived advantage in having someone with test match experience yet playing in a position foreign to them.



  • @MN5 said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    @Chris-B said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    @canefan said in Poll: ABs new First Five-Eighth:

    Jordie is the my choice. You can joke about the charge downs but at the end of the day he has the quality and skills to fit in and do a decent job rather than hinder the players around him. He made a decent fist of his chances in black so far. And that us about all you can ask for if you get to the third stringer

    I don't think the charge downs would be a joke - they'd be the number one thing I would target.

    There's a reason most first fives are nippy little guys whose feet are close to their hands - because those extra hundredths of seconds it takes someone with long levers like Jordie - who is 20cm taller than people like DC and Mo'unga - to catch, drop and kick the ball are critical. And it's in the bio-mechanics of everything they do - they've got more power, but they take more time.

    Henry Honiball, Stephen Larkham, Jonathan Sexton, Steven Donald and Jordies shorter but still quite tall brother Beauden are reading this and getting pissed off at it's inaccuracy.

    tallest of that lot (Larkham) is still 6cm shorter than JB...


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