Cannabis referendum



  • Any thoughts ?

    Martyn Bradbury has a great rant about it

    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2019/05/07/yawn-cannabis-referendum-is-out-and-surprise-surprise-its-not-binding/

    I’m certain if he slips in the shower he blames neoliberal soap .



  • At this stage, I think I am voting yes.

    I have seen the damage it can do, long term, which is not great but I think the cost benefit of legalising outweighs this damage.



  • Yeah great idea, let’s legalise pot because we are great in how as a community we drink responsibly.
    Not too mention not allow other destructive drugs like P and synthetics destroys lives and families.

    NZ is the worse country to allow reforms around cannabis. We have a binge mentality when it comes to booze. We have one of the highest rates in the world when it comes to using P.



  • @Virgil said in Cannabis referendum:

    Yeah great idea, let’s legalise pot because we are great in how as a community we drink responsibly.
    Not too mention not allow other destructive drugs like P and synthetics destroys lives and families.

    NZ is the worse country to allow reforms around cannabis. We have a binge mentality when it comes to booze. We have one of the highest rates in the world when it comes to using P.

    I'm lost on what P has to do with this? Are you saying the Weed is the gateway to P?



  • @Hooroo said in Cannabis referendum:

    @Virgil said in Cannabis referendum:

    Yeah great idea, let’s legalise pot because we are great in how as a community we drink responsibly.
    Not too mention not allow other destructive drugs like P and synthetics destroys lives and families.

    NZ is the worse country to allow reforms around cannabis. We have a binge mentality when it comes to booze. We have one of the highest rates in the world when it comes to using P.

    I'm lost on what P has to do with this? Are you saying the Weed is the gateway to P?

    Could be, more the feeling we don’t do things by half.
    We have a large lower socioeconomic element who are too dependent on drugs and booze already.
    Throw in the ability to buy weed legally I can’t see it going well.



  • @Virgil said in Cannabis referendum:

    @Hooroo said in Cannabis referendum:

    @Virgil said in Cannabis referendum:

    Yeah great idea, let’s legalise pot because we are great in how as a community we drink responsibly.
    Not too mention not allow other destructive drugs like P and synthetics destroys lives and families.

    NZ is the worse country to allow reforms around cannabis. We have a binge mentality when it comes to booze. We have one of the highest rates in the world when it comes to using P.

    I'm lost on what P has to do with this? Are you saying the Weed is the gateway to P?

    Could be, more the feeling we don’t do things by half.
    We have a large lower socioeconomic element who are too dependent on drugs and booze already.
    Throw in the ability to buy weed legally I can’t see it going well.

    I hear what you are saying but they are doing that anyway, just illegally and at great cost.



  • I’m voting yes.

    When have you ever heard of anyone going on a marijuana fueled rampage ? It’s pretty harmless in small doses ( personally I hate it but I don’t begrudge others who do indulge )

    It would free up Police time to catch real criminals. Every police member I know agrees with this, at least in private.

    @Virgil i agree 100% that NZ has a massive booze problem but personally I can’t see old Mary Jane being anywhere near as bad.



  • @MN5 I have . A mate of mine worked at Griffins and bought a supermarket shopping bag full of broken chocolate biscuits to a session when I was about 20 . It was carnage.



  • @Virgil I'm all for treating addiction/abuse as a health issue. Moving cannabis away from gangs and 'off the grid' and into a regulated environment will be a big improvement on the current situation in my opinion. Especially around synthetics which really kicked off once the party pill industry got (quite rightly) shut down, and are seemingly tied more closely to the P industry.

    Linking wider drug use and behaviour to our terrible booze habits isn't overly productive imo. As I don't know what the next step is if you hold that stance - make booze illegal? retain the status quo? that isn't going to improve anything.

    Would never deny that a large group of weed users have an issue, likely linked to a bunch of other issues. But many people can and do use it more responsibly than alcohol. Definite yes from me - and really hopeful it goes ahead and we can start looking at some sensible laws around access and usage.



  • @Paekakboyz said in Cannabis referendum:

    @Virgil I'm all for treating addiction/abuse as a health issue. Moving cannabis away from gangs and 'off the grid' and into a regulated environment will be a big improvement on the current situation in my opinion. Especially around synthetics which really kicked off once the party pill industry got (quite rightly) shut down, and are seemingly tied more closely to the P industry.

    Linking wider drug use and behaviour to our terrible booze habits isn't overly productive imo. As I don't know what the next step is if you hold that stance - make booze illegal? retain the status quo? that isn't going to improve anything.

    Would never deny that a large group of weed users have an issue, likely linked to a bunch of other issues. But many people can and do use it more responsibly than alcohol. Definite yes from me - and really hopeful it goes ahead and we can start looking at some sensible laws around access and usage.

    I just count my lucky stars that my drug of choice is legal, advertised and made of the finest hops, malt, water and barley.



  • @MN5 well they tell you it's the finest 🙂



  • @Paekakboyz said in Cannabis referendum:

    @MN5 well they tell you it's the finest 🙂

    Yes, I’ll continue anymore ranting in the beer thread.



  • @MN5 said in Cannabis referendum:

    @Paekakboyz said in Cannabis referendum:

    @MN5 well they tell you it's the finest 🙂

    Yes, I’ll continue anymore ranting in the beer thread.

    Neckbeard .

    Just had a horrifying thought , if it is legal there’ll be pot nerds boring the fuck out of rest of us about different strains the way beer geeks , CrossFit addicts and vegans do .

    That’s a hard no from me.



  • @jegga we are pretty much there already with the vape crisis!!



  • @Virgil said in Cannabis referendum:

    @Hooroo said in Cannabis referendum:

    @Virgil said in Cannabis referendum:

    Yeah great idea, let’s legalise pot because we are great in how as a community we drink responsibly.
    Not too mention not allow other destructive drugs like P and synthetics destroys lives and families.

    NZ is the worse country to allow reforms around cannabis. We have a binge mentality when it comes to booze. We have one of the highest rates in the world when it comes to using P.

    I'm lost on what P has to do with this? Are you saying the Weed is the gateway to P?

    Could be, more the feeling we don’t do things by half.
    We have a large lower socioeconomic element who are too dependent on drugs and booze already.
    Throw in the ability to buy weed legally I can’t see it going well.

    That doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Is weed not drugs? If it is, doesn't it make it better to make it legal? If these people are buying drugs illegally do they nor know they can get weed too?



  • I looked into growing hemp recently and the palaver involved getting it approved seemed extreme. All about testing THC levels. Hopefully they would be a bit more sensible about it if weed was at least decriminalised, (although probably not in the quantities that I wanted to grow).



  • I'll vote yes because it's ridiculous that people get a criminal record over it. I've seen cases where an elderly man with cancer going through chemo was charged with possession. What a waste of police and court resources, as well as giving a harmless old guy battling a debilitating disease a criminal record.

    I think the argument around the damage it can do doesn't really hold water. There's tons of products on the market that do damage if not consumed in moderation. I'm very much on the side of not letting the government decide what is/is not good for us.



  • We are about 6 months into legalization here in Canada after years of general possession and use being largely unenforced.

    The distribution system isn't running on all cylinders but on a societal level absolutely no difference.

    Seems like a massively destructive substance if you develop a close friendship with it during your developing years which is where most of the horror stories come from - but does a lot of things. Would vote - yes.

    Fetanyl epidemic much more significant.



  • @No-Quarter said in Cannabis referendum:

    I'll vote yes because it's ridiculous that people get a criminal record over it. I've seen cases where an elderly man with cancer going through chemo was charged with possession. What a waste of police and court resources, as well as giving a harmless old guy battling a debilitating disease a criminal record.

    I think the argument around the damage it can do doesn't really hold water. There's tons of products on the market that do damage if not consumed in moderation. I'm very much on the side of not letting the government decide what is/is not good for us.

    Yes there is. There’s nothing legally stopping me having a bottle of vodka for breakfast each day and destroying my liver or deciding I have a chocolate biscuit addiction and developing type 2 diabetes. I know plenty of high functioning people who love a toke every now and again with no ramifications....



  • @rotated said in Cannabis referendum:

    We are about 6 months into legalization here in Canada after years of general possession and use being largely unenforced.

    The distribution system isn't running on all cylinders but on a societal level absolutely no difference.

    Seems like a massively destructive substance if you develop a close friendship with it during your developing years which is where most of the horror stories come from - but does a lot of things. Would vote - yes.

    Fetanyl epidemic much more significant.

    This is where the tax $$ and energy should go imo. Education for youth as part of a broad conversation about health and the short-long term impact of all drugs (alcohol and others). That should sit alongside treatment for any adults that have serious issues with weed or other drugs.

    I get a bit salty about weed reforms = free and unfettered access. When most folks (not including teenagers) want to see age restrictions and clear policy on who has access, strength of the product, plus the other checks and balances.


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