2019 Māori All Blacks



  • Maori All Blacks to play Fiji in two-match series:

    The Flying Fijians will have first home-advantage when the Maori All Blacks – assembling for the first time since their Americas end of year tour last year – head to Suva, Fiji, for their season opening match on Saturday 13 July.
    
    Both teams head to Rotorua, New Zealand where one team will look to even the ledger as the two teams face off again at Rotorua International Stadium on Saturday 20 July.
    
    Under 20 Curtain raiser
    
    A Fijian Under-20 side and a New Zealand Maori Under-20 side will be the curtain raiser.
    
    Both teams arrive in the city one week prior to the match and Councillor Charles Sturt, who leads the Rotorua Lakes Council sport and recreation portfolio, says there will be a number of different Maori and Pacifica events leading up to the match.
    

    http://www.allblacks.com/News/34125/maori-all-blacks-to-play-fiji-in-two-match-series



  • FYI to see where that sits in the rugby calendar:

    Sat 6 July: Super Rugby Final
    Sun 21 July: 1st ABs test match v Argentina (in Buenos Aires)
    Thu 8 Aug: start of Mitre 10 cup





  • Looking at the 2018 squad there will need to be a few new faces.

    Ash Dixon
    Robbie Abel (Liam Polwart)
    Ross Wright??
    Marcel Renata
    Ben May
    Chris Eves
    Tyrell Lomax --> possibly ABs
    Pari Pari Parkinson
    Isaia Walker-Leawere
    Jackson Hemopo --> ABs (Tom Franklin)
    Hoani Matenga??
    Billy Harmon??
    Mitchell Karpik (if fit)
    Reed Prinsep
    Akira Ioane --> ABs (Whetu Douglas)

    Also have Elliot Dixon and Jesse Parete available.

    Brad Weber --> ABs (replaced by Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi)
    Bryn Hall
    Jonathan Ruru
    Josh Ioane --> ABs (MMac 🤣 )
    Otere Black
    Matt Proctor
    Rob Thompson
    Teihorangi Walden
    Jonah Lowe
    Regan Ware
    Matthew Lansdown
    Nehe Milner-Skudder?? (Sean Wainui)
    Shaun Stevenson

    Not sure about Nock and if Perofeta is fit again.



  • I've written a blog post about the upcoming Māori All Blacks games against Fiji.

    If you can't find a player in my picks, please, check first in the paragraph "CAPPED PLAYERS (2012-2018), WHO ARE (PROBABLY) NOT/NO LONGER AVAILABLE".

    Obviously, I don't have the latest injury updates, but I've tried my best to find all the info. I've also assumed that players who didn't play rugby in NZ during the first half of the 2019 season, are probably not eligible (Abel, Manihera).

    I may also not always be certain about whether a player is Māori (I don't think Perofeta is though).

    We'll hopefully find out tomorrow night whether my picks are close to the actual team being named.

    Blog post:
    https://www.thesilverfern.com/post/340652-maori-all-blacks-to-play-fiji



  • Any chance the player list from the blog post can be included in this thread.

    I’ve noticed one issue - you’ve stated
    If things really turn to custard: Heiden Bedwell-Curtis

    However you’ve already chosen Prinseep which means we’re well into custard stage!



  • @Nepia I really don't understand what people have against Prinsep. He may not be the best loosie around, but he's also not as bad as people seem to suggest. Not a race horse, but still a useful work horse. I'd only select HB-C if there are many players unavailable; he's hardly played SR and instead played some club rugby in Taranaki.

    I could copy and paste the player list, but then you take it out of context. It's included in a blog post for a reason and if I just paste the list here, nobody will look at the blog post anymore (which includes info about availability (or not) of a lot of other players).



  • @Stargazer Liam Polwart has played for the Maori previously (2017) so I would expect him to be selected if he is over his concussion symptoms.



  • @Bovidae

    I refer to what I said in a previous post.

    @Stargazer said in 2019 Māori All Blacks:

    If you can't find a player in my picks, please, check first in the paragraph "CAPPED PLAYERS (2012-2018), WHO ARE (PROBABLY) NOT/NO LONGER AVAILABLE".

    Obviously, I don't have the latest injury updates, but I've tried my best to find all the info. I've also assumed that players who didn't play rugby in NZ during the first half of the 2019 season, are probably not eligible (Abel, Manihera).



  • @Stargazer said in 2019 Māori All Blacks:

    @Bovidae

    I refer to what I said in a previous post.

    I read that. Polwart's concussion is a recent problem as he didn't play after the Blues game in Auckland (mid-May).

    The reserve Maori hooker hardly plays any minutes behind Dixon anyway. 🙂



  • @Bovidae If he's still concussed, he won't play. It's that simple. Number of minutes to be played is irrelevant.
    I couldn't find any info that suggests he has recovered from that concussion (like playing club rugby last weekend). Obviously, if he's named tomorrow, he will be.



  • @Stargazer I don't see what you and obviously Plumtree see and not sure how he burgled a super contract.



  • @Nepia Don't get me wrong. I'm happy for Devan Flanders to take his Canes' spot, once he's ready .. 😃



  • The Māori All Blacks squad will be named tomorrow (Wednesday).



  • Māori All Blacks squad

    Forwards

    Hookers:
    Ash Dixon (Ngati Tahinga) Hawke's Bay / Highlanders
    Nathan Harris (Ngati Apakura /Tainui) Waikato / Chiefs

    Props:
    Tyrel Lomax (Ngai Tuhoe/Muaupoko) Tasman / Highlanders
    Ben May (Ngati Maniapoto) Hawke's Bay / Hurricanes
    Marcel Renata (Ngati Whanaunga/Ngai Takoto) Auckland/ Blues
    Ross Wright (Ngati Whatua/Ngati Porou) Northland / Blues

    Locks:
    Tom Franklin (Ngati Maniapoto) Otago / Highlanders
    Pari Pari Parkinson (Te Whanau a Apanui) Tasman / Highlanders
    Isaia Walker-Leawere (Ngati Porou) Hawkes Bay / Hurricanes

    Loose Forwards
    Whetukamokamo Douglas (Ngati Porou/Ngati Whakaue) Canterbury / Crusaders
    Elliot Dixon (Ngapuhi) Southland/ Highlanders
    Akira Ioane (Ngapuhi/Te Whanau a Apanui) Auckland / Blues
    Mitchell Karpik (Rongomaiwahine/Ngati Kahungunu) Bay of Plenty / Chiefs
    Reed Prinsep (Te Rarawa) Canterbury / Hurricanes

    Backs

    Halfbacks:
    Bryn Hall (Ngati Ranginui) North Harbour / Crusaders
    Jonathan Ruru (Ngati Kahungunu/Rongomaiwahine) Auckland / Blues
    Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi (Ngati Pikiao) Taranaki / Chiefs

    First five-eighths:
    Otere Black (Ngai Tuhoe/Te Whanau a Apanui/Ngati Tuwharetoa) Manawatu / Blues
    Jackson Garden-Bachop (Ngati Awa) Wellington / Hurricanes
    Fletcher Smith (Ngati Kahungunu) Waikato / Hurricanes

    Midfielders
    Alex Nankivell (Ngapuhi) Tasman / Chiefs
    Rob Thompson (Ngati Kahungunu / Nga Rauru) Manawatu / Highlanders
    Teihorangi Walden (Te Atiawa) Taranaki / Highlanders

    Outside backs:
    Jordan Hyland (Ngai Tahu) Northland / Highlanders
    Shaun Stevenson (Ngapuhi) North Harbour / Chiefs
    Sean Wainui (Ngai Tuhoe/Ngati Porou) Taranaki / Chiefs

    “We have named 26 players today, with one more, likely to be a prop, to be added before we travel next week.
    
    “We’re excited to name four new caps in Nathan Harris, Alex Nankivell, Fletcher Smith and Jordan Hyland.
    
    “With six players (Harris, Lomax, Dixon, Ioane, Hall and Tahuriorangi) in our mix with All Blacks experience, we can take a very solid squad to Suva and then on to Rotorua. 
    

    https://www.allblacks.com/News/34357/maori-all-blacks-squad-named-for-two-match-series-against-fiji



  • Proctor not picked at all.

    I assume one of the 1st 5s could be used as a fullback with only 3 outside backs selected.



  • Not a bad team really although surprised to see Hyland over Lowe and surprised to even see Garden-Bachop there. Everyone complains about MMac but he's had better games at Super level than JGB has ever had.

    There's some good loosies in there and Prinseep.

    Also, I guess Aussie Jack is only Cook Island Maori and not NZ Maori - or is going back to Oz.



  • @Nepia guess Hyland got there by virtue of more productive minutes on the park....



  • @Nepia said in 2019 Māori All Blacks:

    Not a bad team really although surprised to see Hyland over Lowe and surprised to even see Garden-Bachop there. Everyone complains about MMac but he's had better games at Super level than JGB has ever had.

    There's some good loosies in there and Prinseep.

    Also, I guess Aussie Jack is only Cook Island Maori and not NZ Maori - or is going back to Oz.

    From the way he looked on the Canes bench after half time on Saturday, I wonder whether Lowe is injured again?

    Agree about MMac being better than JGB has ever been. Heaps better, I'd say.



  • If Ash Dixon is still the captain I will be interested in how McMillan gives meaningful minutes to Harris. One start each maybe?



  • I'm also keen to find out who are in the NZ Māori U20 squad, but I guess that team will be named later. They can't possibly name a Māori squad from this year's NZ U20 squad or even the players invited to the NZ U20s camps. Will they invite younger players from last year's NZ Schools, NZ Barbarians Schools and NZ Māori U18, or will they be allowed to select youngish players just over 20?



  • @Stargazer said in 2019 Māori All Blacks:

    I'm also keen to find out who are in the NZ Māori U20 squad, but I guess that team will be named later. They can't possibly name a Māori squad from this year's NZ U20 squad or even the players invited to the NZ U20s camps. Will they invite younger players from last year's NZ Schools, NZ Barbarians Schools and NZ Māori U18, or will they be allowed to select youngish players just over 20?

    I’m assuming they can find 26 odd U20 Maori players for the team throughout the country - I don’t think they all have to be in line for NZ U20s.



  • @taniwharugby said in 2019 Māori All Blacks:

    @Nepia guess Hyland got there by virtue of more productive minutes on the park....

    I might probably not a good judge on his form - I couldn’t even remember which Super team he played for.



  • @Nepia I think looking at the players of the 2018 school squads - who will be 19 by now - and the U20s teams of the SR franchises would be the right approach. We'll see which players make it. If they can be bothered to announce the team at all.



  • @Stargazer Nathan Harris Waikato? He's a steamer though. Surely he isn't moving.



  • @Yeetyaah said in 2019 Māori All Blacks:

    @Stargazer Nathan Harris Waikato? He's a steamer though. Surely he isn't moving.

    Good question. I doubt he was expecting to be playing any provincial rugby.



  • @Yeetyaah Yeah, I noticed that, too. Odd.



  • It might be a misprint - the Waikato night have supposed to go in the iwi section.



  • @Nepia said in 2019 Māori All Blacks:

    It might be a misprint - the Waikato night have supposed to go in the iwi section.

    Yes.

    Waikato rugby has only acknowledged the selection of Fletcher Smith.



  • Usual Suspects. Nursery for FAB locks?



  • @Bovidae said in 2019 Māori All Blacks:

    If Ash Dixon is still the captain I will be interested in how McMillan gives meaningful minutes to Harris. One start each maybe?

    Dixon was captain last year and Abel still got plenty of minutes and even a start if I recall.



  • Māori All Blacks Memories: 2010



  • @Stargazer I was at that game. I remember all the numbers falling off the new NZM jerseys.



  • @Stargazer geez how much bigger was Aaron Smith back then?

    Not sure Robbie Robinson should have been named at loosehead.



  • Māori U20 squad:

    Kershawl Sykes-Martin
    Nelson Rugby Club
    Ngāti Porou

    Te Ariki Te Puni
    University RFC Auckland
    Ngāti Raukawa, Ngāti Porou, Rangitāne o Manawatu
    Ngāi Te Rangi

    Jonas Pomare
    Mt Maunganui Sports Club
    Ngāpuhi

    *Poukohe Sorensen
    Te Puna RFC
    Te Arawa, Ngāti Porou

    Tyrone Thompson
    Marist St Pats
    Ngai Tā Manuhiri, Ngāti Rangiwewehi

    Tanara Haenga
    Wainuiomata RFC
    Ngāti Porou

    Josh Hill
    University of Otago RFC
    Ngāi Tahu

    Leo Ngatai-Tafau
    Ardmore Marist RFC
    Ngāti Porou, Tainui

    Keelan Whitman
    Marist St Pats
    Ngāti Rangiwewehi

    *Cortez-Lee Ratima
    Otorohonga RFC
    Ngāti Maniapoto, Ngāti Tama

    Leo Thompson
    Marist St Pats
    Ngai Tā Manuhiri, Ngāti Rangiwewehi

    Shamus Hurley-Langton
    College Old Boys Wellington
    Te Āti Awa, Taranaki

    Samuel Smith
    Wainuiomata RFC
    Ngāti Raukawa, Ngati Kahungunu

    Coel Kerr
    Lincoln University RFC
    Ngāti Ranginui

    John Croft Cooper
    Ponsonby District RFC
    Ngāti Kahungunu, Ngā Puhi, Tūwharetoa

    Kaipo Brown
    Tauranga Rugby Sports & Recreation Club
    Te Aupōuri, Te Arawa, Tainui, Ngāi Te Rangi, Te Āti Awa

    Dennon Robinson-Bartlett
    Whakarewarewa Community Sports Club
    Ngāti Kahungunu

    Tamarau McGahan
    Marist North Harbour
    Ngāi Tūhoe, Ngāti Raukawa

    Tobias Wickham-Manuel
    Kia Toa RFC
    Ngāti Porou, Ngāti Tūwharetoa

    Tahu Kaa
    Lincoln University RFC
    Ngāti Porou, Ngāi Tahu

    Zarn Sullivan
    College Rifles RFC
    Ngāti Kahungunu

    Isaac Bracewell
    Wellington Football Club
    Ngāti Maniapoto

    Callum Bean
    Grammar Tec Auckland
    Ngai Tahu, Ngā Puhi

    *Availability subject to Club Commitments

    Coaches and management:

    Head Coach
    Rua Wanoa
    Ngāti Porou

    Forwards Coach
    Anthony Rehutai
    Ngāti Porou

    Forwards Assistant
    Tracey Davis
    Ngāti Whātua

    Backs Coach
    Stacey Grant
    Ngāti Kahungunu ki Wairarapa

    Backs Assistant
    Joseph Wineera
    Ngāti Ruanui, Ngāti Toa, Ngāti Koata, Ngāi Tahu

    Cultural Advisor
    Mihaere Emery
    Tūhoe, Ngāti Awa, Ngāti Maniapoto, Ngāti Koroki Kahukura, Ngāti Raukawa

    Mark Seymour
    Manager
    Ngāti Hikairo

    Kieran Te Whare
    Trainer
    Ngati Tūwharetoa

    Tioke Pryor
    Physio
    Ngāi Tuhoe. Ngāti Awa, Ngāi Te Rangi

    Tiki Edwards
    Campaign Manager
    Whakatōhea, Ngāti Raukawa



  • Not a single player from this year's NZU20s. I wonder why?
    I recognise names from 2018 NZ Schools, NZ Schools Barbarians and NZ Māori U18.



  • @Stargazer

    If the strategy is getting exposure for lots of players to potentially develop future super players, that seems understandable. Others had opportunities, so use this team to give others a go?



  • @gt12 Yeah, maybe. I was thinking it might be an early trial for the NZU20 development camps later in the year. I assume many of these players will also play at the Jock Hobbs U19 tournament in September and some maybe even Mitre 10 Cup.



  • Have the Thompson brothers been poached by Wellington or studying there?



  • @Bovidae said in 2019 Māori All Blacks:

    Have the Thompson brothers been poached by Wellington or studying there?

    Wellington offered more money than the Bay could afford (I have it from a reliable source). Also, their dad played for Marist St Pat's, so that has probably been a factor, too.

    They're both building apprentices, something they could have been in the Bay as well.

    So, I call them poached. (Others will argue that they just wanted to play for Wellington, but I'm not buying that 😬 ).


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