Non Electric Vehicles



  • Electric vehicles going a bit petrol orientated .. completely my fault. So I thought I'd start this for fellow motoring enthusiasts (if any)

    continuing on ...

    @SammyC - out of interest have you driven the newer model 6cyl? The reviews on them seem quite mixed, with pundits preferring the M2. I never really warmed to the coupe in the E90 and would have bought the 4D instead (I almost did - had a 335i at one point). Continues on for me with the current M4. Not a fan at all, would buy the M3 instead.

    Actually, I'd probably buy the newer S4 instead.



  • @MajorRage The latest B58 six cylinder is a beautiful thing. I have had a an SAV with one since the beginning of the year in NZ, where such cars make much more sense than in the UK IMO. It’s got great performance, reasonable economy (TBH not something I care that much about, so long as the range is decent) and it sounds fantastic - crackles and pops on the overrun, barks on the downshift and wastegate dumps under hard acceleration. When the S58 version comes out at the end of the year I’ll likely be swapping.



  • A good mate recently bought the C63 AMG mentioned in the other thread and you're right, it sounds fantastic. He keeps chopping and changing having had two 911s, an Aston V8 and a Jaguar F Type in the last four years prior to the Merc and he says he loves this one the best.

    Mind you he is an absolute shit driver.



  • @JC said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @MajorRage The latest B58 six cylinder is a beautiful thing. I have had a an SAV with one since the beginning of the year in NZ, where such cars make much more sense than in the UK IMO. It’s got great performance, reasonable economy (TBH not something I care that much about, so long as the range is decent) and it sounds fantastic - crackles and pops on the overrun, barks on the downshift and wastegate dumps under hard acceleration. When the S58 version comes out at the end of the year I’ll likely be swapping.

    SAV?

    I had the 135i on the previous generation engine to this and I'd still argue it's the best engine I've had in any car that I've owned. Loads of power, nice noise & unbelievably refined. Too powerful for that car tho. One of my in-laws had a brand new 140i on loan and came to the same conclusion. Shit loads of fun, but hard to get the best out of it as the traction control pretty much so drives the thing, and when you turn it off it's an absolute handful.

    As for making more sense in NZ .. with the hills etc, yes indeed. Although it's a much easier, safer and less likely to give your wallet and driving license points a hammering when using them (as designed) in the UK.



  • @Catogrande said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    A good mate recently bought the C63 AMG mentioned in the other thread and you're right, it sounds fantastic. He keeps chopping and changing having had two 911s, an Aston V8 and a Jaguar F Type in the last four years prior to the Merc and he says he loves this one the best.

    Mind you he is an absolute shit driver.

    I've got a simliar mate to that. His last few cars reads SLK 350, CLK 500, 335i, M5, C63 AMG, X5M, 996 Turbo, RS6. He tends to buy them quite old, drive them for a bit then get bored really quickly. On the whole though, I don't think he enjoyed the C63 that much.



  • @MajorRage said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @Catogrande said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    A good mate recently bought the C63 AMG mentioned in the other thread and you're right, it sounds fantastic. He keeps chopping and changing having had two 911s, an Aston V8 and a Jaguar F Type in the last four years prior to the Merc and he says he loves this one the best.

    Mind you he is an absolute shit driver.

    I've got a simliar mate to that. His last few cars reads SLK 350, CLK 500, 335i, M5, C63 AMG, X5M, 996 Turbo, RS6. He tends to buy them quite old, drive them for a bit then get bored really quickly. On the whole though, I don't think he enjoyed the C63 that much.

    For such a luxurious car it is not that comfortable.



  • @Catogrande That was pretty much so his exact conclusion. Hard as a rock.

    Not an MB guy, so no idea of what the equivalent of Adaptive M suspension is, but sounds like it was badly lacking it.



  • @MajorRage SAV = sports activity vehicle. Not an SUV, because its 4wd isn’t really good enough for off-road. It’s an X3 M40i.



  • @JC said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @MajorRage SAV = sports activity vehicle. Not an SUV, because its 4wd isn’t really good enough for off-road. It’s an X3 M40i.

    Wife’s colleague has that. He loves it. I don’t buy why you need that 0-100 5sec and handling in that car, but I don’t argue it! I have the 30d x5 which at 6.5 to 100 is as fast as I want!



  • @MajorRage said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @JC said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @MajorRage The latest B58 six cylinder is a beautiful thing. I have had a an SAV with one since the beginning of the year in NZ, where such cars make much more sense than in the UK IMO. It’s got great performance, reasonable economy (TBH not something I care that much about, so long as the range is decent) and it sounds fantastic - crackles and pops on the overrun, barks on the downshift and wastegate dumps under hard acceleration. When the S58 version comes out at the end of the year I’ll likely be swapping.

    SAV?

    I had the 135i on the previous generation engine to this and I'd still argue it's the best engine I've had in any car that I've owned. Loads of power, nice noise & unbelievably refined. Too powerful for that car tho. One of my in-laws had a brand new 140i on loan and came to the same conclusion. Shit loads of fun, but hard to get the best out of it as the traction control pretty much so drives the thing, and when you turn it off it's an absolute handful.

    As for making more sense in NZ .. with the hills etc, yes indeed. Although it's a much easier, safer and less likely to give your wallet and driving license points a hammering when using them (as designed) in the UK.

    I hear you on the risks UK vs NZ. But it seems like everyone here has a SUV, SAV or ute so if you’re in a car your visibility past them is bugger all, so you’re better off going with the flow I’ve found. I’ve also got a Nissan GT-R in the garage but I almost never take it out now. The visibility is terrible and when every other vehicle on the road is a Ford Ranger it’s not much fun.

    Best engine I’ve every had is the V10 in the E60 M5 that I still have in the UK, owned it since new in 2008. No great torque to speak of at the low end but it revs to over 8500rpm. I took it through the Western Scheldt tunnel a couple of years ago and it sounded like the world was ending, marvellous. I’ve also got an F90 M5 Competition that I picked up from Munich early this year. Much, much faster than the old one but nowhere near as much character.



  • @JC impressive. Modern gt-r or older?

    A friend just sold his 2016 m5 for a focus rs. He said in the UK it just makes much more sense for the driving he does. He never really goes far so I buy his POV.

    You checked out the latest s series Audi? They are seriously good.



  • @MajorRage the GT-R is a 2017. No, haven’t driven an Audi for years. Maybe I should.



  • I thought this thread was just gonna be a Beemer fan-bois reach around but now that you're talking Audi 🙂

    I have the last of the V8 S5 ABT and am very happy with it. Driving set-up is sensational. Great sound never been able to get anywhere near the top end though run out of road way too soon. Did Taupo to Napier earlier this year but whilst I did open her up a little there was too much traffic to really see what it does. Plus TBH I'm just not a good enough driver to really take advantage through the corners.

    It'll do me in my dotage



  • @dogmeat said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    I thought this thread was just gonna be a Beemer fan-bois reach around but now that you're talking Audi 🙂

    Is there a difference? 😎



  • i always wanted an Audi, but now i live in the tropics. I've got mates who have owned them, and they just can't handle the climate here, shit is just constantly wearing or breaking. And it's expensive.



  • I worked in auto industry and parts & service for a couple decades. Biggest joke in the garages were young guys with a few dollars in their pockets who buy the shiny used toy they’ve always wanted (esp. BMW, Audi, Porsche, Mercedes) after warranties have expired and parts need replacing. They’ll bitch about the price of economy-brand oil filters, which last 8000 km for the price of a couple rolls of toilet paper, they’ll still want it cheaper and leave complaining. Keep reaching for the stars, but keep your feet planted firmly on the ground. Your wallet will thank you. Champagne tastes and all they gots is beer money (barely).



  • @dogmeat said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    I thought this thread was just gonna be a Beemer fan-bois reach around but now that you're talking Audi 🙂

    Don't knock it if you haven't tried it. Some of my best reach-arounds have been from Beemer fan-bois. I love it when they whisper engine family codes into my ear at the same time. 😉



  • @NTA said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @dogmeat said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    I thought this thread was just gonna be a Beemer fan-bois reach around but now that you're talking Audi 🙂

    Is there a difference? 😎

    back in your box Nick. Do I come round and mock your tractor?



  • @JC said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @dogmeat said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    I thought this thread was just gonna be a Beemer fan-bois reach around but now that you're talking Audi 🙂

    Don't knock it if you haven't tried it. Some of my best reach-arounds have been from Beemer fan-bois. I love it when they whisper engine family codes into my ear at the same time. 😉

    How can they do that and play the rusty trombone at the same time?



  • @JC said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @dogmeat said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    I thought this thread was just gonna be a Beemer fan-bois reach around but now that you're talking Audi 🙂

    Don't knock it if you haven't tried it. Some of my best reach-arounds have been from Beemer fan-bois. I love it when they whisper engine family codes into my ear at the same time. 😉

    genuine laugh out loud



  • @Salacious-Crumb said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    I worked in auto industry and parts & service for a couple decades. Biggest joke in the garages were young guys with a few dollars in their pockets who buy the shiny used toy they’ve always wanted (esp. BMW, Audi, Porsche, Mercedes) after warranties have expired and parts need replacing. They’ll bitch about the price of economy-brand oil filters, which last 8000 km for the price of a couple rolls of toilet paper, they’ll still want it cheaper and leave complaining. Keep reaching for the stars, but keep your feet planted firmly on the ground. Your wallet will thank you. Champagne tastes and all they gots is beer money (barely).

    You can spend your whole life being sensible, but where's the fun in that 🙂

    Those cars are way more fun to drive than a used Toyota Corolla.

    I've got an oldish Mercedes e500 with around 80,000 on the clock and it's so fun to drive. I've accepted I'm going to end up spending more on it than the guy who spent the same money on a Japanese car, but screw that, I wanna enjoy driving.

    I don't scrimp on maintenance however and am religious about getting it serviced, using quality oil/ filters etc.



  • @JC said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @NTA said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @dogmeat said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    I thought this thread was just gonna be a Beemer fan-bois reach around but now that you're talking Audi 🙂

    Is there a difference? 😎

    back in your box Nick. Do I come round and mock your tractor?

    Your Kraut Taxi probably couldn't make it up the driveway 😉



  • @NTA said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @JC said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @NTA said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @dogmeat said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    I thought this thread was just gonna be a Beemer fan-bois reach around but now that you're talking Audi 🙂

    Is there a difference? 😎

    back in your box Nick. Do I come round and mock your tractor?

    Your Kraut Taxi probably couldn't make it up the driveway 😉

    because western sydney is renowned for its steep inclines...



  • @mariner4life said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @NTA said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @JC said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @NTA said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @dogmeat said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    I thought this thread was just gonna be a Beemer fan-bois reach around but now that you're talking Audi 🙂

    Is there a difference? 😎

    back in your box Nick. Do I come round and mock your tractor?

    Your Kraut Taxi probably couldn't make it up the driveway 😉

    because western sydney is renowned for its steep inclines...

    Have you tried scaling Mt Druitt?



  • @mariner4life Interestingly a large number of Audi's in NZ are used imports from Singapore. Mine's NZ new but I can confirm parts are fucking eye wateringly expensive. But so's the car. I mean you can drive three of Nick's Nissan Leafs off the showroom floor for the price of one S5 - but wudyawanna?



  • @dogmeat said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @mariner4life Interestingly a large number of Audi's in NZ are used imports from Singapore. Mine's NZ new but I can confirm parts are fucking eye wateringly expensive. But so's the car. I mean you can drive three of Nick's Nissan Leafs off the showroom floor for the price of one S5 - but wudyawanna?

    A mate of mine recently bought a Nissan Leaf.

    32 horsepower or something similar...Fuck that



  • @SammyC Take your electric vehicle chat to the other thread Sammy. This is the one for fossil fuel pervs.



  • @Salacious-Crumb said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    I worked in auto industry and parts & service for a couple decades. Biggest joke in the garages were young guys with a few dollars in their pockets who buy the shiny used toy they’ve always wanted (esp. BMW, Audi, Porsche, Mercedes) after warranties have expired and parts need replacing. They’ll bitch about the price of economy-brand oil filters, which last 8000 km for the price of a couple rolls of toilet paper, they’ll still want it cheaper and leave complaining. Keep reaching for the stars, but keep your feet planted firmly on the ground. Your wallet will thank you. Champagne tastes and all they gots is beer money (barely).

    I am probably flirting dangerously with this category.....at the risk of sounding like a total piston wristed gibbon am seriously considering buying a Lambo. Specifically a Gallardo Spyder, used, 2007-2009 model with 20k-50k miles on the clock. Am aware the service costs will be eye-watering. Any petrolheads here got some advice on these?



  • @TeWaio said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @Salacious-Crumb said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    I worked in auto industry and parts & service for a couple decades. Biggest joke in the garages were young guys with a few dollars in their pockets who buy the shiny used toy they’ve always wanted (esp. BMW, Audi, Porsche, Mercedes) after warranties have expired and parts need replacing. They’ll bitch about the price of economy-brand oil filters, which last 8000 km for the price of a couple rolls of toilet paper, they’ll still want it cheaper and leave complaining. Keep reaching for the stars, but keep your feet planted firmly on the ground. Your wallet will thank you. Champagne tastes and all they gots is beer money (barely).

    I am probably flirting dangerously with this category.....at the risk of sounding like a total piston wristed gibbon am seriously considering buying a Lambo. Specifically a Gallardo Spyder, used, 2007-2009 model with 20k-50k miles on the clock. Am aware the service costs will be eye-watering. Any petrolheads here got some advice on these?

    If you can afford it then do it. It won’t be long till you won’t be able to own anything like this so don’t put it off and miss your window. The later models were really reliable for a supercar. Use a lot of oil though, like most high perf cars, and some of the engines are really particular on what brand you must use.



  • @TeWaio said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @Salacious-Crumb said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    I worked in auto industry and parts & service for a couple decades. Biggest joke in the garages were young guys with a few dollars in their pockets who buy the shiny used toy they’ve always wanted (esp. BMW, Audi, Porsche, Mercedes) after warranties have expired and parts need replacing. They’ll bitch about the price of economy-brand oil filters, which last 8000 km for the price of a couple rolls of toilet paper, they’ll still want it cheaper and leave complaining. Keep reaching for the stars, but keep your feet planted firmly on the ground. Your wallet will thank you. Champagne tastes and all they gots is beer money (barely).

    I am probably flirting dangerously with this category.....at the risk of sounding like a total piston wristed gibbon am seriously considering buying a Lambo. Specifically a Gallardo Spyder, used, 2007-2009 model with 20k-50k miles on the clock. Am aware the service costs will be eye-watering. Any petrolheads here got some advice on these?

    Two bits of advice.

    1. If that’s what you want, do it. But pay up and buy from a dealer, not private. See what warranty and servicing you can get. It will cost a lot to run, but so what!!!

    2. If you are open to others, test drive them all. If I had a dollar for every prospective lambo owner who had bought an r8 or 911 instead after driving, I’d have two dollars. Word is that although they are stunning to look at, price wise there are better drives.

    Keep us updated!!!



  • Thanks @MajorRage and @JC. I'm planning on paying cash, from a dealer, so thinking of going near quarter end on a Friday to try and haggle price down. Probably in September, as apparently convertibles trade cheaper going into winter (and SUVs higher, with the opposite occurring in Spring?).

    I've also heard they're reliable for a supercar as a lot of the platform is shared with the Audi R8. My neighbour is a bit of a car nut: has a Ferrari 488 Spider, two Telsa Model S P100Ds, a Lamborghini Galladro Coupe about the same age as the ones I'm looking at, and an Aston DB9. I've driven the Lambo and it's the one I prefer, was thinking of getting a Telsa prior to that, but I'm now converted (sorry @NTA).

    Basically my thinking is, if you're going to spend money on a "silly" car, make sure it is properly silly. Hence a convertible Lambo, probably in yellow or orange. Needles to say my fiancee, who loves Astons, is not that impressed..





  • @TeWaio Sounds like you live in a pretty shitty part of town. Maybe better of spending your hard earned on an upgraded pad?



  • @TeWaio you're dead to me.

    😉



  • @TeWaio said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    Thanks @MajorRage and @JC. I'm planning on paying cash, from a dealer, so thinking of going near quarter end on a Friday to try and haggle price down. Probably in September, as apparently convertibles trade cheaper going into winter (and SUVs higher, with the opposite occurring in Spring?).

    I've also heard they're reliable for a supercar as a lot of the platform is shared with the Audi R8. My neighbour is a bit of a car nut: has a Ferrari 488 Spider, two Telsa Model S P100Ds, a Lamborghini Galladro Coupe about the same age as the ones I'm looking at, and an Aston DB9. I've driven the Lambo and it's the one I prefer, was thinking of getting a Telsa prior to that, but I'm now converted (sorry @NTA).

    Basically my thinking is, if you're going to spend money on a "silly" car, make sure it is properly silly. Hence a convertible Lambo, probably in yellow or orange. Needles to say my fiancee, who loves Astons, is not that impressed..

    Mate if she's that picky, maybe she is a bit too high maintenance. Have you considered what sort of upgrade you could afford on the car if you dumped her? Just a thought.



  • @NTA said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @mariner4life said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @NTA said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @JC said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @NTA said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @dogmeat said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    I thought this thread was just gonna be a Beemer fan-bois reach around but now that you're talking Audi 🙂

    Is there a difference? 😎

    back in your box Nick. Do I come round and mock your tractor?

    Your Kraut Taxi probably couldn't make it up the driveway 😉

    because western sydney is renowned for its steep inclines...

    Have you tried scaling Mt Druitt?

    Underappreciated joke.



  • @SammyC said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @dogmeat said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @mariner4life Interestingly a large number of Audi's in NZ are used imports from Singapore. Mine's NZ new but I can confirm parts are fucking eye wateringly expensive. But so's the car. I mean you can drive three of Nick's Nissan Leafs off the showroom floor for the price of one S5 - but wudyawanna?

    A mate of mine recently bought a Nissan Leaf.

    32 horsepower or something similar...Fuck that

    LOL My brother just had his car tuned and it's running 590 at the wheels. Although if it's just a town car, I wouldn't care too much. If I want to accelerate there's very little you can register that will come close to my HP4.

    ATM I've got a project car (which if I'm honest isn't progressing) to put a M157 into a W114 coupe. Perfect Sunday car.



  • @antipodean said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @SammyC said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @dogmeat said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @mariner4life Interestingly a large number of Audi's in NZ are used imports from Singapore. Mine's NZ new but I can confirm parts are fucking eye wateringly expensive. But so's the car. I mean you can drive three of Nick's Nissan Leafs off the showroom floor for the price of one S5 - but wudyawanna?

    A mate of mine recently bought a Nissan Leaf.

    32 horsepower or something similar...Fuck that

    LOL My brother just had his car tuned and it's running 590 at the wheels. Although if it's just a town car, I wouldn't care too much. If I want to accelerate there's very little you can register that will come close to my HP4.

    ATM I've got a project car (which if I'm honest isn't progressing) to put a M157 into a W114 coupe. Perfect Sunday car.

    Start your own bike thread!!!



  • @TeWaio said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    Thanks @MajorRage and @JC. I'm planning on paying cash, from a dealer, so thinking of going near quarter end on a Friday to try and haggle price down. Probably in September, as apparently convertibles trade cheaper going into winter (and SUVs higher, with the opposite occurring in Spring?).

    I've also heard they're reliable for a supercar as a lot of the platform is shared with the Audi R8. My neighbour is a bit of a car nut: has a Ferrari 488 Spider, two Telsa Model S P100Ds, a Lamborghini Galladro Coupe about the same age as the ones I'm looking at, and an Aston DB9. I've driven the Lambo and it's the one I prefer, was thinking of getting a Telsa prior to that, but I'm now converted (sorry @NTA).

    Basically my thinking is, if you're going to spend money on a "silly" car, make sure it is properly silly. Hence a convertible Lambo, probably in yellow or orange. Needles to say my fiancee, who loves Astons, is not that impressed..

    That certainly is a dilemma. I really hope you guys get through this. Those kind of differences can kill a relationship.



  • @MajorRage said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @antipodean said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @SammyC said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @dogmeat said in Non Electric Vehicles:

    @mariner4life Interestingly a large number of Audi's in NZ are used imports from Singapore. Mine's NZ new but I can confirm parts are fucking eye wateringly expensive. But so's the car. I mean you can drive three of Nick's Nissan Leafs off the showroom floor for the price of one S5 - but wudyawanna?

    A mate of mine recently bought a Nissan Leaf.

    32 horsepower or something similar...Fuck that

    LOL My brother just had his car tuned and it's running 590 at the wheels. Although if it's just a town car, I wouldn't care too much. If I want to accelerate there's very little you can register that will come close to my HP4.

    ATM I've got a project car (which if I'm honest isn't progressing) to put a M157 into a W114 coupe. Perfect Sunday car.

    Start your own bike thread!!!

    Nah, if I get an electric bike I'll shit up @NTA 's thread too. 😂


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