Jeffrey Epstein





  • Good question!

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  • Apart from being a sleaze and probably lying about it what has Prince Andrew actually done that was illegal?

    I don't want to defend the sleaze ball but unless he was aware that Giuffre was being held by Maxwell and Epstein against her will then all he has possibly done is commit adultery. Even in Guiffre's interview she admitted giving an impression to him that she was a willing party. She admits that she asked for that photo to be taken to show her parents.
    Her story is obviously complicated and when she was underage there were illegal acts but she would have appeared to be a very willing participant at that time.



  • @Crucial
    I agree.
    As much as I enjoy a nob like Prince Andrew being taken to task, I am unsure of the crime he has committed unless it can be proven he knew she was some kind of sex slave.



  • @Frank said in Jeffrey Epstein:

    @Crucial
    I agree.
    As much as I enjoy a nob like Prince Andrew being taken to task, I am unsure of the crime he has committed unless it can be proven he knew she was some kind of sex slave.

    It's all the jokes about him being a paedo that crack me up. Age of consent is mainly 16 and less in most of the world (yes, a few US States are 18 I think)

    EDIT: I am making these PA comments based on the published 'facts'. I am also fully aware that rumours around him liking them young have been around for a long time and may or may not be based on actuality



  • He's an easy one to name and shame and rightfully so. He has daughters himself but saw no issue with teen girls hanging about with an open paedophile..one he still maintained contact with after being convicted. There is arguably a law that was broken there failing to report child abuse. I'd love to see the dentists, home help and private doctors who gave these girls std checks also get named, hopefully someone is willing to spill the beans to save their own hides.



  • @Rembrandt said in Jeffrey Epstein:

    He's an easy one to name and shame and rightfully so. He has daughters himself but saw no issue with teen girls hanging about with an open paedophile..one he still maintained contact with after being convicted. There is arguably a law that was broken there failing to report child abuse. I'd love to see the dentists, home help and private doctors who gave these girls std checks also get named, hopefully someone is willing to spill the beans to save their own hides.

    Back to the 'evidence' rather than the assumptions. Did he see (or have knowledge of ) underage girls being abused?
    If not then he can't be held culpable for Epstein's crimes.
    Not sure what having daughters is all about.

    Yes to being a sleaze. Yes to choosing his friends poorly. At the moment though I see no evidence of illegality.



  • @Crucial said in Jeffrey Epstein:

    Apart from being a sleaze and probably lying about it what has Prince Andrew actually done that was illegal?

    In most of the news and commentaries, criminality is barely mentioned, if at all. I suspect Liz didn’t shitcan her boy from Buckingham Palace because she was worried he did anything “illegal,” but mostly that he consorted with a convicted sex offender who trafficked girls as sex slaves, which is dragging her royal family’s name through the mud. Fairly straightforward.



  • @Crucial Yep only evidence I've heard is victim interviews who confirm that Jeffrey's paedo antics were a very open secret, not exactly hard evidence at this stage.

    I'd like to think that if you have a teen daughter you should be even more sensitive to 60 year old creepy men getting massaged by teens or even just hanging out with them at parties. I mean that should be a given anyway but even a creep who has a kid might start to think 'what if that was my daughter' and realise just how dodgy these situations were.



  • @Salacious-Crumb said in Jeffrey Epstein:

    @Crucial said in Jeffrey Epstein:

    Apart from being a sleaze and probably lying about it what has Prince Andrew actually done that was illegal?

    In most of the news and commentaries, criminality is barely mentioned, if at all. I suspect Liz didn’t shitcan her boy from Buckingham Palace because she was worried he did anything “illegal,” but mostly that he consorted with a convicted sex offender who trafficked girls as sex slaves, which is dragging her royal family’s name through the mud. Fairly straightforward.

    I get all that, just don't get why he is being judged as if he has committed a criminal act when (on the face of it) he may have had sex with a young woman of legal age. Can't claim adultery as good reason either (it is hardly uncommon).

    Yes it isn't behaviour befitting someone in a public position but it is way OTT (unless evidence that he knew about coercion and trafficking arises).



  • @Crucial said in Jeffrey Epstein:

    I get all that, just don't get why he is being judged as if he has committed a criminal act when (on the face of it) he may have had sex with a young woman of legal age. Can't claim adultery as good reason either (it is hardly uncommon).

    So, Her Royal Majesty is overreacting, is she?



  • @Salacious-Crumb said in Jeffrey Epstein:

    @Crucial said in Jeffrey Epstein:

    I get all that, just don't get why he is being judged as if he has committed a criminal act when (on the face of it) he may have had sex with a young woman of legal age. Can't claim adultery as good reason either (it is hardly uncommon).

    So, Her Royal Majesty is overreacting, is she?

    Not sure anyone knows how the Queens is reacting. What we can comment on is the media reporting of it and there's a substantial amount of it.

    From what I've read the only issue is he maintained a relationship with Epstein, staying at his house for days after his conviction.



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  • Coincidences.

    Surveillance footage outside of Jeffrey Epstein’s cell during suicide attempt is missing

    https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-epstein-tartaglione-video-footage-20191218-riodo5rhvfhuznn45knlyfrj2m-story.html

    NOTE: This isn’t the missing video from the “successful” “suicide” where the video cameras mysteriously malfunctioned; this is the earlier “unsuccessful” “suicide” “attempt.”

    I like the part where they were so concerned about his safety, they locked him up with a choirboy:

    “Assistant U.S. Attorney Jason Swergold admitted nobody can find the footage of the outside of the cell the multimillionaire perv shared with accused quadruple murderer Nick Tartaglione during a hearing in White Plains District Court. Tartaglione, a former Briarcliff Manor cop, faces the death penalty for the alleged murders in a drug deal gone bad.”



  • CBS 60 Minutes did a feature on Jeffrey’s suicide tonight; they showed autopsy photos. What surprised me was they mentioned the guard who found Epstein’s body still hasn’t spoken to investigators. The piece did mention the guards fell asleep, and maybe Jeffrey was dead for two hours (!!) before they woke up. Sleeping gas?? This has all the earmarks of a Batman episode...



  • The “accidents” and “mistakes” and “coincidences” just keep piling up.

    NBC News reporting this afternoon: Federal prosecutors say that video taken from outside of Jeffrey Epstein's cell the night of his FIRST suicide attempt in July has been permanently deleted because MCC saved video from the wrong tier of the jail and not the tier Epstein was on, a filing says.



  • @Salacious-Crumb it is utterly mental isn't it!! It just keeps coming and coming. I wonder if anyone has looked at their historic error rates for storage/tracking of CCTV footage. Wouldn't surprise me if they had a near perfect record before this shambles.

    Wonder what went through Epstein's mind when he was first introduced to his roomy 🤔



  • @Paekakboyz said in Jeffrey Epstein:

    Wonder what went through Epstein's mind when he was first introduced to his roomy

    A screwdriver?





  • @Tim That one is a couple days old, and so far Radio Silence in mainstream U.S. press, they’ll contort themselves into pretzels pretending they don’t see it.


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