TRC: Pumas v All Blacks



  • @Crucial said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:

    @Jaguares4real said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:

    @98blueandgold said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:

    @Machpants disagree because these are the same issues we have been having against good structured D for a few years.
    The drop balls are a result of pressure caused by D. We looked rushed rather than threatening. Happening too often. ABs are a tempo team and when teams slow us down it becomes a contest, Eng/Ire/SA having better players at exploiting than Argies. Just structure and issues are same

    Largely agree Game was reminiscent of their last 2 games on 2018 EOYT

    Eng and Ire played a similar game and both sides were the better side

    Sadly for Pumas they did not take their chances and lost the game like Eng

    ABs had 23 turnovers & about 13-14 handling errors There was definitely an air of panic in their attack ALOT of 50-50 passes being chucked around carelessly Albeit under immense defensive duress by ARG

    Gap has closed btw ABs and rest of Tier 1 nations post 2015 RWC

    Do you not understand the concept of keeping your powder dry?

    Especially in a friendly.



  • Thought our defence was generally very good, although Reece coming in off his wing is a worry.

    Our attack though and the forced passes are a concern, although you could pass some off as early season rust.



  • @Jaguares4real said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:

    @Crucial said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:

    @Jaguares4real said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:

    @98blueandgold said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:

    @Machpants disagree because these are the same issues we have been having against good structured D for a few years.
    The drop balls are a result of pressure caused by D. We looked rushed rather than threatening. Happening too often. ABs are a tempo team and when teams slow us down it becomes a contest, Eng/Ire/SA having better players at exploiting than Argies. Just structure and issues are same

    Largely agree Game was reminiscent of their last 2 games on 2018 EOYT

    Eng and Ire played a similar game and both sides were the better side

    Sadly for Pumas they did not take their chances and lost the game like Eng

    ABs had 23 turnovers & about 13-14 handling errors There was definitely an air of panic in their attack ALOT of 50-50 passes being chucked around carelessly Albeit under immense defensive duress by ARG

    Gap has closed btw ABs and rest of Tier 1 nations post 2015 RWC

    Do you not understand the concept of keeping your powder dry?

    Fire away as you seem to know something I'm missing out on.........

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  • Banned

    @Chester-Draws said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:

    Yeah, but not outside Argentina. That's where the real problem lies. Very little to do with travel.

    Chester you're showing your lack of knowledge on ARG rugby
    You can not separate Jaguares from Los Pumas

    The success of the former is heavily correlated to the success of the latter The driving force for improvement

    Pumas don't have an endless supply of players to use and call up

    Sunwolves are a Baba club side full of 2nd rate Kiwis Saffa Aussies & Polynesian "Japanese" players They play in a similar time zone to NZ and AUS so travel is much less of a factor

    Anyway they used as many players this year ~62 as Jaguares who have ever played for the ARG club side in their 4 years of Super Rugby

    Finally Italy are no concern on the field for ARG Only issue with them is poaching ARG players and making them play for Italy



  • @Rancid-Schnitzel I agree. Ardie is definitely the form 7 and Read at 8. Fafita was shite. Hemopo had more of an impact and mongrel. 6 is our worry position. And Aaron Smith shoveling out wide continuously showed poor judgement. He is running the show and we needed to establish go forward in the forwards. He has the best pass but we need someone making runs around the rucks. This will probably go over like a lead balloon.


  • Banned

    @broughie said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:

    @Rancid-Schnitzel I agree. Ardie is definitely the form 7 and Read at 8. Fafita was shite. Hemopo had more of an impact and mongrel. 6 is our worry position. And Aaron Smith shoveling out wide continuously showed poor judgement. He is running the show and we needed to establish go forward in the forwards. He has the best pass but we need someone making runs around the rucks. This will probably go over like a lead balloon.

    I'd go further and state TJP is the better player & has been for at least 12 months

    A Smith being living alot of his past reputation and getting an easy ride



  • Thought our front rowers got through a power of work. We lacked flow but that was down to pressure and errors just when we had a sniff or some momentum building. Agreed with Marshall about the two knocked down balls. That one in our 22 arguably could have been a card.
    No more JB please. For every good thing he does we get 2-3 errors.
    This was a game for TJ, smith started shoveling it when we were in the arm wrestle, and we needed tighter fringe D. Weber did ok but things were pretty fragmented by then.
    Coltman? Hit your line out targets bro, your turnover game is strong but if all you're making up for is lost line out ball we have an issue.

    Definitely rusty play from both sides. But some good stuff in amongst the dross.



  • @Paekakboyz Agree about TJ especially.



  • Not the best game. Unlike many I wasn't that impressed with Reece. Whereas Jordie playing out of position was OK. For the RWC Jordie is a better selection than Reece

    B Barrett had a good game. I also thought Ben Smith did ok. But I would have him on the wing and Jordie at FB if both start.

    My view is Perenara should have started this game



  • Dreadful game.

    Was never on the plane to japan anyway, but Tuipulotu was anonymous.

    Coltman might have the selectors looking at Harris again if he can’t nail his throws.

    Outside our top 23, our depth is pretty thin.



  • @Winger said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:

    Not the best game. Unlike many I wasn't that impressed with Reece. Whereas Jordie playing out of position was OK. For the RWC Jordie is a better selection than Reece

    B Barrett had a good game. I also thought Ben Smith did ok. But I would have him on the wing and Jordie at FB if both start.

    My view is Perenara should have started this game

    J Barrett was absolute, utter garbage. And he keeps serving this kind of performance up for the ABs. I'm starting to get really annoyed by his face. I think i want to punch it. Now I understand that whole arc in Step Brothers.



  • @Stargazer said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:

    It's a pity they won't drop Jordie. He's one of their projects.

    He will cost us a knockout match I’m telling you. Just can’t do the basics reliably.



  • @shark said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:

    @Winger said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:

    Not the best game. Unlike many I wasn't that impressed with Reece. Whereas Jordie playing out of position was OK. For the RWC Jordie is a better selection than Reece

    B Barrett had a good game. I also thought Ben Smith did ok. But I would have him on the wing and Jordie at FB if both start.

    My view is Perenara should have started this game

    J Barrett was absolute, utter garbage. And he keeps serving this kind of performance up for the ABs. I'm starting to get really annoyed by his face. I think i want to punch it. Now I understand that whole arc in Step Brothers.

    I'd like to punch that idiot Sam Casey from the Farming Show, too. They're a very smack-able pairing actually. Any of the Dunedin based Ferners heard the same thing I did re the Maccas incident and the bullshit explanation?



  • @sparky said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:

    The highlights:

    Think you posted wrong there. The video shows the anthems then the Ref blowing full time.



  • Thought josh Ioane had a mistake free debut. So that’s something.



  • Jordie Barrett fails to impress.....again
    George Bridge would be a much better wing/fullback.

    Fifita given another chance. and didn't take it. Of the all of 6s I've seen in the past couple of years, the most impressive for me has been Jackson Hemopo.


  • Banned

    @Billy-Tell said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:

    Dreadful game.

    Was never on the plane to japan anyway, but Tuipulotu was anonymous.

    Coltman might have the selectors looking at Harris again if he can’t nail his throws.

    Outside our top 23, our depth is pretty thin.

    Coltman going Stevie Wonder with his darts was ugly No clear 3rd choice Hooker

    ABs been showing signs of significant decline last 6-8 Test matches

    The 2020 ABs will be essentially this latest squad selected plus Moody C Taylor S Barrett Mo'unga Goodhue + DMAC

    Take out Ben Smith and BBB & suddenly All Blacks looking like they've got a glass chin 🥊 🥊 Very beatable to say the least



  • @Rancid-Schnitzel yeah I think they may have been fortunate that passage of play went on for numerous more phases and nothing of consequence happened otherwise it would well have been abit of an issue for the Argie.

    Thought for the most part, Angus was pretty good though, missed a few things as all refs do, although didnt really impact the way the game was moving at the time.

    BOth of our wings struggled to get into the game, Reece poor on defence but can catch, Jordie cant catch but can tackle.



  • @shark said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:

    @Winger said in TRC: Pumas v All Blacks:

    Not the best game. Unlike many I wasn't that impressed with Reece. Whereas Jordie playing out of position was OK. For the RWC Jordie is a better selection than Reece

    B Barrett had a good game. I also thought Ben Smith did ok. But I would have him on the wing and Jordie at FB if both start.

    My view is Perenara should have started this game

    J Barrett was absolute, utter garbage. And he keeps serving this kind of performance up for the ABs. I'm starting to get really annoyed by his face. I think i want to punch it. Now I understand that whole arc in Step Brothers.

    I'm sure if he was playing for the crusaders you would think differently.



  • @taniwharugby

    But some of the passes weren't the best. For example Coles should held on to the ball not shuffled out a pass. In general there was too much of this from the ABs


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