Alternative to Red Cards?



  • n.b. I'm not disputing Barrett's card - he put himself in the frame for it.

    Is there an alternative to red cards in their current form?

    Perhaps a combination of points awarded to the opposition, loss of the player for multiples of 10 minutes, and the player not being able to come back on?

    e.g. Red Card in the 1st half = 14 point penalty + 20 minutes with 14 men. In the 2nd half = 7 point penalty + 20 minutes with 14 men.


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  • @Tim said in Alternative to Red Cards?:
    > n.b. I'm not disputing Barrett's card - he put himself in the frame for it.



  • Don't discuss the Barrett card in this thread.


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  • WC final, some grub takes out the opposition’s ten with foul play. You lose some points and 20mins, they lose 80min and their goal kicker.

    Has to be sent off IMO.

    It easy to avoid, and very rare.



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  • @Kirwan said in Alternative to Red Cards?:

    It easy to avoid, and very rare.

    On the face of it I agree with you, then again I've seem Sam Warburton and Ben Smith - two bloody smart, even keeled players commit red card offences in knockout games for seemingly no apparent reason. Mental blocks and brain farts happen.

    The current system works pretty well for league tournaments like Super Rugby but ignores the realities of international rugby where RWC's come around once every four years, a Grand Slam every six or so and a Lions tour every twelve. I would prefer they roll things back to the 00's era where red cards were reserved for wilfully violent acts and repeated infringements and increase the post-game suspensions.

    In the current era with one more camera angle and an overzealous TMO who has been given the mandate to "send a message" Game 1 of the 2005 Lions series is over before it began. Talk about wind out of the sails. Wait another 12 years...



  • It's almost like a duckworth-lewis (insert other name they added) type approach. How do you calculate the penalty in a meaningful and repeatable way. I do like the idea of mid-way card or call between yellow and red - where you sit down for longer but aren't rubbed out of the game entirely.

    But the one aspect that @Kirwan alluded to is the total grub play or a high end offence that takes another player off the field. Hmmm could it be something like 20min but if the player they hurt doesn't return they can't either? That could be abused no doubt, but I agree there still needs to be a top tier option for that sort of play.



  • The game is so fast paced these days, there is no distinction between a badly mistimed contact and an obviously reckless one. An Owen Farrell shoulder charge is almost premeditated, vs a close quarters forward exchange



  • I've always thought having the man gone for rest of the match but team can replace them after a period, either 10 mins like a YC or maybe make it a 15 min sanction.

    IMO the sanction ruins the game as a spectacle, very rarely does a player do the dangerous action with the sole intention of injuring or hurting someone, particularly at the elite level, this is their job, deliberately hurting another would impact their income (maybe add in a financial implication too, based on their earnings)

    As dumb as these incidents might be, I am not convinced they are done with malicious intent - the French guy whose one was cancelled, SBW, one was timing the other technique, neither malicious IMO - if it is a punch or kick, IMO much easier to distinguish that kind of foul play.

    It is most often down to poor timing, poor technique and add in a bit of bad luck with the other person in the situation who you have zero control over.

    Maybe a technique related red card and a one for actions not within the game (punch, kick, head butts etc)


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